Hey guys, any discussion about RC please go to the appropriate thread thank you 🙏, this is protestant thread, also to penyu guy, keep yapping whatever you want you're just a loser 🥱

although i am not a christian but i would give credit to christians who did well in defending their position eventhough the debate topic requires the christians to be fully in defensive mode.

2:26:30 is the highlight of the video
2:37:40 is also the highlight.

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this part is also quite interesting when earlier the christian opponent made a claim about micah prophesying about ruth. according to the bible, ruth had lived long before micah. how could ruth be prophesied by someone who lived long after him? imagine someone born after year 2000 claims that he had made a prophecy about tunku abdul rahman gaining independence for our country.

why certain people need to deceive?

The bloke probably do not understand what is prophecy.

indeed. that guy makes youtube content polemicizing about christianity on a daily basis.

Megachurch Pastor Kenneth Copeland Drinks a Mixture of His Blood and His Assistant's Blood For Holy Communion



Remember this guy who says he needs a private jet to better serve the Lord and he cannot fly commercial because it's like sitting inside a tube filled with demons?

Americans love these charlatans…. The bigger the better.

can any christians tell me what is the meaning of anhedonia? it's an incurable condition

This is what i read from the internet:
[Ecclesiastes Ch 6:1-2 says, “There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, and it lies heavy upon men: a man whom God gives wealth, possessions, and honor, so that he lacks nothing of all that he desires, yet God does not give him power to enjoy them, but a stranger enjoys them; this is vanity; it is a sore affliction.” There is also something called ANHEDONIA which is an INABILITY or UNWILLINGNESS to enjoy oneself To be surrounded by wealth, possessions, honor, etc. but to not have the ABILITY TO ENJOY IT. It is a BURDEN to be anhedonic. This is the opposite of HEDONISM. Some of us need to get back to TOIL because we worry about things that are real, like bills and a mortgage. But God calls you to STOP and ENJOY things like your kids. YEAH BUT THEY ARE NOISY AND MESSY AND SMELL. But they won’t be that way for long.Maybe you are alone and you can’t enjoy that time alone.But you’ve been given SILENCE Freedom to travel Freedom to serveThere are so many people who have other obligations but when alone, you don’t have those same obligationsTAKE JOY IN WHAT YOU DO HAVE, NOT SORROW IN WHAT YOU DON’T HAVE]

is it saying anhedonia is a punishment or what?

So many examples and verses in the Bible that proves, if you are saved, and a Christian, YOU WILL NOT BE POSSESSED...

the fact that you see a "demon possession' is because the person to begin with, IS NOT SAVED!
hence the fact the demon can enter the person's body because
1) The HOLY SPIRIT is not in him
2) The body is NOT GOD's Temple!!

1. Ecclesiastes was written around King Solomon, the most depressed yet smartest person ever lived..
2. The book is summarized by the meaning of life and human conditions
3. Anhedonia is a mental depression state, which of no surprise is shown by Solomon.
3. The verse you referred to is the condition of King Soloman having everything but eventually finding it vain.
4. The conclusion of the entire depression is summarized by Ecclesiastes 12:13,14

King James Version (KJV)
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

5. Life as humans know it is of vanity. But life can only make sense when we do God's will and stay near to Him in communion

The discussions/debates and topics in this chat has been so opinionated over the years and lack substance and biblical foundation...

which summarizes how the World is evolving towards in summary as well..
Opinions matter more than what the Bible says...

how disheartening

Yes that is so true.

Unfortunately the church parish offices couldn't find any record of her. She may have attended church regularly however without any records, the church will not get involved.

Anyway after discussing the issue with the man of the house, it was best that she be brought to other mediums instead. Quote Rm10,000 fuh ???? At least it worked and now she is back in the house of sound mind.

There are people who prays to all kinds of gods and that house is no exception. The logic is the more gods they pray to, the more benefits they will get. Then again if there were so many benefits, then why was she possessed ?

why not send the patient to a mental hospital?

Is there a biblical way to get out of anhedonia?

What about involuntary singleness? What’s the bible’s take on these?

The emptiness is no joke, no amount of antidepressant is helping

I'm not a professional, but from my personal point of view.. meditate on the word of God.
Understand from Ecclesiastes, that God should be the center of a human's life.

From where I see it, your life has no meaning and you're depressed probably because there is no GOD in your life.

1. Matthew 4:4,"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
Do you read the Bible enough to know what God wants for your life? and do you rely on the word of God daily on your everyday aspects of life?

2. Isaiah 41:10, Psalm 147:3, John 14:27, Philippians 4:6-7
Do you depend on God as you should in Psalms 55:22, 1 Peter 5:7 ?

3. Romans 15:13, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, 1 Thessalonians 5:2-6, Titus 2:13,Matthew 24:42-44
Do you look forward for the coming of Christ as every Christian should?

Life without God is hopeless and depressing. No amount of money or materials can fill the gap that life eventually ends. I guess the true question I have for you is how much do you know God, and how much do you depend on him? and if you're truly saved, you should have the Holy Spirit in you, to guide you, to comfort you, and to CORRECT you when you're astray..

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What about a newly saved Christian adult who somehow ignorantly committed sin by dabbling in the occult, later suffered terribly for the sin AND then lost faith in Christ or depart from the faith, ie will he/she be "demon-possessed".?

DEUTERONOMY.18:9-14 = Avoid Wicked Customs

9 “When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the Lord your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the Lord your God has not appointed such for you.

1JOHN.5: = 16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

MATTHEW.12: = ... 42 The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here.

43 “When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. 44 Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order. 45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation.”
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Well there is a battle going on in my life, it’s very obvious

one is trying to destroy me and the other one protects me, I have always thought god is the one protecting me.

If it was god that mean god is in me then why do I suffer anhedonia?

If not god then what is protecting me? Secret societies? Why?

This post has been edited by somewhataut: Jul 26 2024, 04:30 PM

The basis of "demon possession" is because the person has no holy spirit. If you are truly saved, you WILL have the Holy Spirit
Ephesians 1:13,"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise"


and when you have the Holy Spirit, ye are of God. and your body IS the Holy Temple.
1 John 4:4,"Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."
Romans 8:9," But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
John 14:16,"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever."

ABIDE FOREVER!

Let's be clear.
Lack of faith WILL NOT remove the Holy Spirit.
Lack of faith WILL NOT remove your salvation.
WITHOUT FAITH, then you WILL NOT have the Holy Spirit, and WILL NOT have salvation.

Deuteronomy 18:9-14, is Moses explaining about pagan worship. It shows the specific practices NOT to be done by ISRAEL. and following on, would also explain the well deserved punishment. I do not see the relevance of losing the Holy Spirit.
1 John 5, says there is a SIN leading to DEATH. even AT DEATH, it doesnt mean you lose the Holy Spirit. Maybe your argument is on the condition "Apostasy". Apostasy happens, only because the person didnt truly believe and have saving faith to begin with. There are NUMEROUS verses in the Bible that clearly states YOU CANNOT LOSE YOUR SALVATION.
Matthew 12:42, you are quoting what the examples Jesus mention in continuation to the coming of a greater prophet and the repentance from it. Jonas. Solomon.
and
Matthew 12:43, the state of the wicked generation (which is WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT)


In conclusion, what happens to a NEWLY SAVED CHRISTIAN, will he/she be demon-possessed? No one knows about a person's salvation. Like a doctor, we only can assume from their testimony. And like how the Bible says in James, show me your works and I will tell you your faith. Salvation is PURELY by FAITH. But TRUE FAITH, will definitely be seen through the person's works. So if so called "NEWLY SAVED CHRISTIAN", is never TRULY saved to begin with.. surely the person can be possessed...

Matthew 7:22,23" Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

James 2:19," Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

Anyone can say they believe in God, they can say the "sinners prayer", they can get BAPTIZED, but that DO NOT GIVE YOU SALVATION..

ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, accepting Him as your personal LORD and SAVIOR, and admitting your sinful nature and your need for JESUS CHRIST to save you, THROUGH HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION!

I do not know what battles you go through. Neither would I want to intrude.
There is only ONE God and God has always have our best interests, if you are truly saved.

The fact you claim you suffer anhedonia, I take it as face-value its true.
But why God ALLOWS you to go through it.. there are a few reasons (referenced through the BIBLE)
1. Jonah - Turmoil and Suffering - Disobedience of doing God's will
(The entire book of Jonah is straightforward, and you can read it to understand the context)

2. Job - Turmoil and Suffering - The trying of his faith and trust in God, and Job's learnings of God.
Job 42:3,"Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not." - You do not understand God's purpose of you going through it, but there is obviously something you need to learn from it. Have you trusted God enough to go through it? Have you started to pray more or read the Bible more to find His answers?
Job 42: 7,"And it was so, that after the Lord had spoken these words unto Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath"

3. Child of God - God is punishing you because you have not repented from your ways
Hebrews 12:6-8 ,"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."
If you truly are saved, God will punish you so you get corrected. And that is ONLY IF YOU ARE TRULY SAVED.
Like the Israelites, roaming in the wilderness to find the promised land, we all at times also are asked to roam in the dessert as we grow in faith. You say you are suffering(Tribultations) ?
Romans 5:3-5 ,"And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope :And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us."

Joseph was faithful to God, but was thrown into the prison to suffer for being wrongly accused.


Again, how much are you relying on God.

Psalms 55:22,"Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: He shall never suffer the righteous to be moved."
1 Peter 5:6,7,"Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you."

Like I said, the FACT you feel empty, is probably because you DO NOT have GOD.
because IF you HAVE GOD, you would have known GOD BOUGHT YOU FOR A PRICE!! YOU WERE BOUGHT FOR THE PRICE OF HIS SON!.
Maybe, its really time pray to God, ask Him to guide you, and accept Jesus Christ to save you.. ask for forgiveness as a sinner.. and accept Jesus Christ as the one that paid for your sins through His death and resurrection..

let me know if you need to talk to me.. pm me and ill share my number to you