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post Feb 24 2024, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 24 2024, 02:38 PM)
Macam mana scriptures were meant to faham from beginning with ridiculous out of the world claims?

Who gets to say what is nonsense and what is not when all the feed you is to BELIEVE, take it or leave it?

Born again by accepting him as the savior simply just like that? Then all murderers, thieves, robbers, rapists can be born again simply by repenting and then accept Christ as the savior and resume their normal lives. Now that's BS.

Jesus himself hinted he saw Elijah in John the Baptist.

There's a valid reason why the Roman Emperor Justinian tried to removed all texts which relate to reincarnation so that no one would rise up to challenge his throne and claimed they were descendants of Christ who would make his Christianity population control idea.His people were committing suicides in mass because they were were troubled so if reincarnation were to be taught, it'd give them hope and disobey the emperor himself who taught that the only way to afterlife is through his funded Church.
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which reincarnation texts were attempted to be removed by the emperor justinian? since they were attempts, were the attempts successful? if not, surely the verses could be found in the bible. if emperor justinian succeeded, i am sure the texts could still be retrieved because christians have more textual evidence than other literary texts in the world.

i am not a christian, but i feel that accusations thrown to the christians do not do justice to them if evidence were not given
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post Feb 24 2024, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 24 2024, 10:30 PM)
How can it be found when they were omitted from the original compilation, burnt and destroyed? You think back then they have backup disks and cloud storage to stash copies away?

Nope, Christianity came from the Romans and Protestantism was a rebel branch which broke off from the Roman Catholics at a later stage.

The only way is to look at somewhere else which pre-dates the Romans own materials at hand. That would be the Jews which have a better idea than any other Abrahamic faiths since they were the original faith before the Christians and Muslims.

Rabbi: Why Jewish Knowledge of REINCARNATION Was Kept SECRET


I'm no one to say it's fact or not because we can agree to disagree. What you believe, I would not believe but the rabbi in question above says allow your curiosity and instinct with the combination of science allows you decide if the idea is worth believing or not.

Your Soul
The refrigerator and electricity theory
The Conservation of Energy Theory which is part of Continuum Mechanics
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emperor justinian only came in the fourth or fifth century, but christianity was already spread in many parts of the world by then including the areas which were not under the jurisdiction of the roman empire. one example is india.

so, how do you think emperor justinian gave an edict to have all the biblical manuscripts burned in india?

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post Feb 24 2024, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 24 2024, 10:45 PM)
Christianity was started by Roman, right? If you predate anything before that you'd have to find the answer with Judaism.

Here's a confession from a psychiatrist who was a Christian for over 30 years to a Rabbi. Listen to what he says.
He can't bring himself to believe Christianity about blind faiths required by Christianity.



As you can see why Judaism always consider Christianity inferior to them. The reason as the rabbi mentioned many things are illogical and delusional for the Christians.
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whether christianity was started by the romans or not is immaterial, because the issue that you brought up is the biblical texts pertaining to the supposed reincarnation dogma had been destroyed on the order of the emperor justinian as claimed by you.

so, let's focus on that. so, you've got to prove that the biblical texts outside the roman empire were destroyed as well
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post Feb 25 2024, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 24 2024, 11:11 PM)
You still don't get it do you?

When Christianity was formed by the Romans who did they took their material from to compile their Bible? Of course it was from the Jews and their apostles.

I already gave you the answer, if you want to know if there were writings about reincarnation of course you'd refer back to the Jewish historical archives/relics to find out which predates the Romans since the Christian Bible books/canons were originally compiled from them.

The Rabbi above already gave you the answer or not if such texts about reincarnation exists?
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you know what? the oldest jewish written sources that you can find were written many centuries after some earliest christian manuscripts. except for the dead sea scrolls dated more than 200 years before christ.

even among the jews, they disagree with each other. some prefer the masoretic texts. others prefer the septuagint texts, the work translated by 70 rabbis into greek.

so, it's quite unfair to generalize that all jews will agree with you when they too have many fractions.
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post Feb 25 2024, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 25 2024, 02:44 PM)
Since Christianity is just a diluted version of Judaism and a spinoff for the lower gentiles, it lacks details and depth towards the real understanding of of Elohim.

It doesn't just stopped with the Dead Sea Scrolls, many teachings in the Christian Bible is are not as detailed as the Torah.

You instill guilt on others telling them they are sinned from birth and Christ is the only way to salvation, believe it or else you're destined for hell.

Once a victim initiated into your cult, you whack him/her with all sorts of nonsense teachings preparing them into becoming sheeps for slaughters through brainwashing guilt after guilt.

Why I say that Judaism is even more humane, logical and understanding than Christianity?

They even accept that all atheist are not God-less and what it means to believe.
Not just blanketing everyone who doesn't accept Christ is condemned to hell for eternity.


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i don't know what details you're talking about but why do you need so much details if some of them will be irrelevant in the future? the original in christianity i think is about the tendency to sin.

regarding judaism teaching is more humane, logical and understanding is up to one's interpretation. i think christians do not have issues with judaism. why should we care?
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post Feb 25 2024, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 25 2024, 03:09 PM)
The Jewish sages would not tell you gentiles everything they know.

Would you tell everything to your enemies and non relevant parties including the covenant you made with God?

That's why I said Emperor Justinian of the Roman Empire omitted and removed many scriptures and canons which were at disadvantaged to his grasp for power when he formed the Christianity faith and the church.

Why should you care? You claim to be related to someone's else legacy and ways and at the same time you don't care?

That is called selfish convenience and a manipulator.

Sorry to tell you Christianity will not appeal to people who can reason and appreciate inner peace.
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now if you still think that reincarnation is a thing in judaism, how come there are jews who disagree with you?

you cannot keep on accusing emperor justinian removing scriptures when he himself did not have control over christianity spread outside his kingdom.

conspiracy theory can be used once in a while. if you keep overusing it, the theory will become stale.

lastly, please do not try to represent all audiences. i do not believe in christian god but that does not mean christianity is not appealing to me.

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post Feb 25 2024, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 25 2024, 03:48 PM)
Oh really? An emperor has no control over a religion founded to control his own people?

I'm still not buying the nonsense that I'd be going to hell just because I don't believe a man who doesn't even know who his father was and claim it was the doing of some unexplainable being who conceived him instead, shortlived (died in just early 30s) and the corpse remains still remains in the tomb.

Heaven must be filled with ex-criminals then, not the kind of pleasant place one could imagine.

Your last sentence there about not believing in Christian God and doesn't mean the religion doesn't appeal you reflects that you're confused and delusional.
It dissolves the purpose of wasting your time attending churches every Sunday and hints your church attendance has other purposes. Am I right? biggrin.gif
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there were christians in certain parts of persia, india and ethiopia. these areas were not under the holy roman empire. before emperor justinian came into power more than one hundred years before, the christian bishops had already agreed to uphold the nicene creed. surprisingly, there's no mention of reincarnation or whatsoever in the creed that many christians need to recite until today.

you may describe the christian heaven as you like. i don't really care. i do not need to attend any church service. i am not allowed to attend also. it appeals to me because sometimes i enjoy listening to gospel songs. the preachers also do not need to preach hate against people from other religions.

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post Feb 25 2024, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 25 2024, 06:12 PM)
I am sorry, may I know know why that you are not allowed to attend any church service ?
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current official faith status. better don't get myself into trouble and just stay in closets
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post Feb 25 2024, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 25 2024, 06:22 PM)
Years ago I remember speaking to a person who also said the same words like you and he enjoyed Christian gospel songs.
He was a Malay working in the govt depts.

I suppose you're not of them from the religious affairs dept behind the keyboard, are you?
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no. not even a government servant
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post Feb 25 2024, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 25 2024, 08:41 PM)
Christianity Made in Rome?



Why Does the New Testament Adore the Roman Empire?


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do you know who's that guy?
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post Mar 9 2024, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 8 2024, 01:09 PM)
Anyone can also make that bold statement that he is God but he is still conceived in a womb and delivered through labor.
Don't be delusional and twist your ridiculous assumptions again, the Rabbis will pick every statement you make and ridicule you even further when you said there was no labour involved.

55 Versus That Proved Jesus Was Born In The Manger
https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_born_in_the_manger

That makes him clearly a "MAN". No arguments there as it is obvious, he still eats, sleeps and defecate like all other man.

No man shall take the place and the sins made by another man, not even between a "Father and Son" relation.
The Bible clearly mentioned that explicitly in the same book where the Ten Commandments is found: Deuteronomy Chapter 5

Deuteronomy 24:16 (NKJV)
Jesus the Son of Man came to take away the sins of men with his sacrifice and paid the price for all sinners?

What could go wrong with the sentence?

Why do you still go through the Prince when you can directly go straight to the Almighty Father and ask for repentance and forgiveness?
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i don't believe in god, but i find your arguments are so absurd. 1st, what makes you think that someone conceived in a womb cannot be god? what's your problem about god being conceived in a womb?

2nd, does deuteronomy 24:16 apply to jesus? how?

3rd, you claimed that one can go directly to father and ask for repentance and forgiveness? how? through prayer? how do you know that father has answered your prayer and forgiven you? don't you think that god himself should appear to men and tell them that they're forgiven?
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 8 2024, 01:09 PM)
Anyone can also make that bold statement that he is God but he is still conceived in a womb and delivered through labor.
Don't be delusional and twist your ridiculous assumptions again, the Rabbis will pick every statement you make and ridicule you even further when you said there was no labour involved.

55 Versus That Proved Jesus Was Born In The Manger
https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_born_in_the_manger

That makes him clearly a "MAN". No arguments there as it is obvious, he still eats, sleeps and defecate like all other man.

No man shall take the place and the sins made by another man, not even between a "Father and Son" relation.
The Bible clearly mentioned that explicitly in the same book where the Ten Commandments is found: Deuteronomy Chapter 5

Deuteronomy 24:16 (NKJV)
Jesus the Son of Man came to take away the sins of men with his sacrifice and paid the price for all sinners?

What could go wrong with the sentence?

Why do you still go through the Prince when you can directly go straight to the Almighty Father and ask for repentance and forgiveness?
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funny. you used to claim that you don't believe in god but you only consistently show that you're just a counter missionary proponent. i have never seen you attack other faiths especially the youngest sibling of the abrahamic faiths. why? is it because the christian dudes will not be harsh against you? or are you just a member of the youngest sibling faith? you better be gentleman enough to proclaim what you believe
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post Mar 10 2024, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 10 2024, 02:59 PM)
Jakim Monitoring Social Media for Insults Against Islam
https://www.bernama.com/en/news.php?id=1853407
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019...-prophet-islam/
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/201...-social/1775289
Where did I ever claimed that I don't believe in God/Creator?

Also there is no such thing as an atheist. Even the Rabbi admits it. You can't just force a certain fixed choices of religion belief on people and accuse those who don't adopt any one of them are atheist.

This is a well known accusations lebais always used against others in their religious arguments.

God is not just the God of Judaism, Buddhism, Baha'i, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Shintoism, Sikhism, Taoism.

If you're obsessed about money, it can also be your God as a form of idolatry. If scientists believe all lifeforms began with sub atomic particles than Scientology is their God. If you think the cow is sacred, then it is also your God!

The possibility of God being infinite as proven by the Rabbi.


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i'm very confirmed that you're a counter missionary muslim. you used to say abrahamic religions are manmade. all of a sudden, you sang a different tune saying that now you're a believer of god. just declare your belief stance, so that we know how to debate you.

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post Mar 10 2024, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Mar 10 2024, 06:00 PM)
You already self declared that you don't believe in God but still engage in religious threads to create arguments and label other people as "atheists".

Definitely know where you're coming from.  innocent.gif
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no need to do any red herring. just declare your faith. just in case you're not satisfied with my status of atheism, let me proclaim loudly that all gods and religions under the sun, including jesus christ, yahweh, etc are manmade.

now, your turn!

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post Apr 28 2024, 11:52 PM

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although i am not a christian but i would give credit to christians who did well in defending their position eventhough the debate topic requires the christians to be fully in defensive mode.

2:26:30 is the highlight of the video
2:37:40 is also the highlight.

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post Apr 29 2024, 06:33 AM

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this part is also quite interesting when earlier the christian opponent made a claim about micah prophesying about ruth. according to the bible, ruth had lived long before micah. how could ruth be prophesied by someone who lived long after him? imagine someone born after year 2000 claims that he had made a prophecy about tunku abdul rahman gaining independence for our country.
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why certain people need to deceive?
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 1 2024, 08:28 AM)
The bloke probably do not understand what is prophecy.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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indeed. that guy makes youtube content polemicizing about christianity on a daily basis.

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