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alexei
post Feb 15 2024, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Feb 10 2024, 10:46 AM)
sry, who are these people?
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dunno anymore
move ppl gear up nowadays so less squid
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post Feb 15 2024, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Feb 12 2024, 02:35 PM)
food rider FB group frequently suggest maxfly maxxis and foxdry. serdang motor carries foxdry and starfield knight so you can try there.
i bought foxdry can't remember what model at serdang motor. a recommended model by food rider. but very thick, too hot and sweaty, end up using back my decathlon rain jacket.

womens riding jacket can also take a look at hodaka. their komine women jacket is quite cheap. rm300-400 IINM, better quality than benkia.
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I bought the benkia one for my partner, not sure why the shop didn't recommend us the komine for women.


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post Feb 15 2024, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 15 2024, 01:07 PM)
just a thought, if your gf willing to ride with you, wouldn't it be better if she gets the better jacket, helmets and stuff between the two of you?
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of course better... but.......

- i already have pretty good, original gear (which sadly NONE of them fit her)
- budget is a thing
- she doesnt ride very often....like not even once a month (last time she rode was like 3-4 months ago)...
- timing is an issue (as i rarely have weekends free coz #fatherhood n she works on weekdays)

maybe not spend so much yet for something thats rarely used... even a benkia or chapalang alipansetar jacket will be better than the hoodie she is wearing now.

shes already wearing a full face bilmola helmet which i bought for my son...my son's cheapo riding boots also fits her perfectly..doesnt fit my son anymore though.

also targeting a komine glove

so starting slow... if she starts riding with me alot more often than will consider more branded gear like taichi or komine or even more atas brands.


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post Feb 15 2024, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(k41AA @ Feb 8 2024, 12:30 AM)
that's how i crashed
didn't have enough confident with the grip level
unless you're applying front brake mid corner or there's oil/sand, usually the rear will give away 1st during leaning
can feel that tail pulling the bike wide
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Buggered my bike going downhill from Genting once before learning my lesson:

You can only go 70%-80% max on public roads because these are not controlled environments. Something is just bound to surprise you when you least expect it. Konar cun-cun ala Valentino Rossi, textbook knee-down... sekali tiba2 monyet melintas pulak... dusyummmm.... eNtah siAPa yANg saLaHhh ku tAK taHUuuuu....

Anything above 70%-80% should be done on the racetrack.

Sekarang dah tua, dah takde lagi dah asah-asah konar ni.... I ride to live, coz already got way too many other ways to die once past 50...
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post Feb 15 2024, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Feb 15 2024, 03:13 PM)
of course better... but.......

- i already have pretty good, original gear (which sadly NONE of them fit her)
- budget is a thing
- she doesnt ride very often....like not even once a month (last time she rode was like 3-4 months ago)...
- timing is an issue (as i rarely have weekends free coz #fatherhood n she works on weekdays)

maybe not spend so much yet for something thats rarely used... even a benkia or chapalang alipansetar jacket will be better than the hoodie she is wearing now.

shes already wearing a full face bilmola helmet which i bought for my son...my son's cheapo riding boots also fits her perfectly..doesnt fit my son anymore though.

also targeting a komine glove

so starting slow... if she starts riding with me alot more often than will consider more branded gear like taichi or komine or even more atas brands.
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your life sounds challenging, so I hope I wasn't too judgemental just now
thanks for clearing that up, and I trust slowly but surely she'll be geared up better

I can't convince my pillion to wear anything better than an Adidas jacket... sometimes it beats me, too
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post Feb 15 2024, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Feb 15 2024, 03:53 PM)
Buggered my bike going downhill from Genting once before learning my lesson:

You can only go 70%-80% max on public roads because these are not controlled environments. Something is just bound to surprise you when you least expect it. Konar cun-cun ala Valentino Rossi, textbook knee-down... sekali tiba2 monyet melintas pulak... dusyummmm.... eNtah siAPa yANg saLaHhh ku tAK taHUuuuu....

Anything above 70%-80% should be done on the racetrack.

Sekarang dah tua, dah takde lagi dah asah-asah konar ni.... I ride to live, coz already got way too many other ways to die once past 50...
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I tak berani knee down


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post Feb 15 2024, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Feb 15 2024, 03:53 PM)
Buggered my bike going downhill from Genting once before learning my lesson:

You can only go 70%-80% max on public roads because these are not controlled environments. Something is just bound to surprise you when you least expect it. Konar cun-cun ala Valentino Rossi, textbook knee-down... sekali tiba2 monyet melintas pulak... dusyummmm.... eNtah siAPa yANg saLaHhh ku tAK taHUuuuu....

Anything above 70%-80% should be done on the racetrack.

Sekarang dah tua, dah takde lagi dah asah-asah konar ni.... I ride to live, coz already got way too many other ways to die once past 50...
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but it really feels good when your body sways during corner.. like roller coaster laugh.gif
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post Feb 15 2024, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Feb 15 2024, 09:46 PM)
but it really feels good when your body sways during corner.. like roller coaster  laugh.gif
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are you describing how the bike behaves exiting a bumpy corner?
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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 15 2024, 10:07 PM)
are you describing how the bike behaves exiting a bumpy corner?
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no when entering a corner your body lean and the bike follows, its a good feeling
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post Feb 16 2024, 02:22 AM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Feb 15 2024, 03:53 PM)
Buggered my bike going downhill from Genting once before learning my lesson:

You can only go 70%-80% max on public roads because these are not controlled environments. Something is just bound to surprise you when you least expect it. Konar cun-cun ala Valentino Rossi, textbook knee-down... sekali tiba2 monyet melintas pulak... dusyummmm.... eNtah siAPa yANg saLaHhh ku tAK taHUuuuu....

Anything above 70%-80% should be done on the racetrack.

Sekarang dah tua, dah takde lagi dah asah-asah konar ni.... I ride to live, coz already got way too many other ways to die once past 50...
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agree, but without confident, that 80% might just be 40%. there's still plenty of grip for the tire to offer. not just for leaning, most importantly for braking. my bike doesn't come with abs so i really need to trust the tires

monyet, botol, kon (stupid plus put cone mid corner instead of before it), diesel at night (ni mmg hanat)
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post Feb 16 2024, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Feb 15 2024, 10:43 PM)
no when entering a corner your body lean and the bike follows, its a good feeling
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yeah, to me that's like like race mode attacking corners
but reality when exiting corners, the road usually uneven then the bike sometimes bobbing up down sideways

though I've seen some ppl lean the bike more than the body like supermoto but going on the roads, this one confirm no chicken strips...

QUOTE(k41AA @ Feb 16 2024, 02:22 AM)
fuh terngiang lagu
agree, but without confident, that 80% might just be 40%. there's still plenty of grip for the tire to offer. not just for leaning, most importantly for braking. my bike doesn't come with abs so i really need to trust the tires

monyet, botol, kon (stupid plus put cone mid corner instead of before it), diesel at night (ni mmg hanat)
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you use what tyres now?
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post Feb 16 2024, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 16 2024, 08:41 AM)
you use what tyres now?
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Angel ST. on my 2nd set. it's the cheapest radial i could find
previously using Zeneos ZN62. soft compound. easy to heat up with good grip. dragged my pegs on this tire. but bias so not very comfortable
the only place i can lean is highway entry / exit
the rest all boring 100km of straight line so i prefer comfort more than grip
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post Feb 16 2024, 11:19 AM

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post Feb 16 2024, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 16 2024, 11:19 AM)
the GT/GT2 is cheaper on shopee now, there must be a reason the ST is more expensive, or just slightly, and I think the ST is more sporty than the GT

I got a set of Rosso2 the other day, about the same price of GT2 available but I wanted something that gives lesser mileage... I prefer sticky tyres than those high mileage boring wooden blocks

Zeneos I recall, loses grip after half its tread, not sure if you experienced the same thing

your bike only goes up to 100kph? or that's just what the speedometer shows  brows.gif
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i see. i thought GT is ST but with better load bearing (for those running fully loaded) so should be more expensive. not to mention the ST is made in China. the edges are uneven for 160

no idea as only managed to clock 30k on my Zeneos then the tire got torn by who knows what. no leak but the tear keeps getting larger within weeks so decided to changed it. that's when i realized the difference between bias and radial, hence the price. no turning back

sorry i mean my daily travel is ~110km with ~100km being the highway
for that 100km i can only lean 3 times; 2 left 1 right
so prefer comfort of ST over grip of ZN62
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post Feb 16 2024, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(k41AA @ Feb 16 2024, 03:44 PM)
i see. i thought GT is ST but with better load bearing (for those running fully loaded) so should be more expensive. not to mention the ST is made in China. the edges are uneven for 160

no idea as only managed to clock 30k on my Zeneos then the tire got torn by who knows what. no leak but the tear keeps getting larger within weeks so decided to changed it. that's when i realized the difference between bias and radial, hence the price. no turning back

sorry i mean my daily travel is ~110km with ~100km being the highway
for that 100km i can only lean 3 times; 2 left 1 right
so prefer comfort of ST over grip of ZN62
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GT came with dual compound, and you're probably right about the higher load bearing thing, ST have limited rear sizes, 160, 180 and 190/50, many older Pirelli models moved to China, and bias ones for Rosso III moved to Indonesia
bias ply tyres need to go 1 size down for the same rim width because of the construction, so you would probably need a 150

Zeneos peeling probably wouldn't hurt the performance, it's probably caused by being too long in service, maybe more than 2 years I'd guess... but it's unusual
my Maxxis kapcai had compound boundary (soft side hard center) separation crack after 10 years in service

30k mileage tyre for me is unheard of, haha... I couldn't wait to change after 5k km each time.
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post Feb 16 2024, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 16 2024, 04:47 PM)
GT came with dual compound, and you're probably right about the higher load bearing thing, ST have limited rear sizes, 160, 180 and 190/50, many older Pirelli models moved to China, and bias ones for Rosso III moved to Indonesia
bias ply tyres need to go 1 size down for the same rim width because of the construction, so you would probably need a 150

Zeneos peeling probably wouldn't hurt the performance, it's probably caused by being too long in service, maybe more than 2 years I'd guess... but it's unusual
my Maxxis kapcai had compound boundary (soft side hard center) separation crack after 10 years in service

30k mileage tyre for me is unheard of, haha... I couldn't wait to change after 5k km each time.
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Well 2 sets of my Zeneos zn33 ran consistently until beyond the wearbars. About 15k each. I seriously couldn't imagine how hard the tyre compound need to be in order to last 30k though.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Feb 16 2024, 06:46 PM)
Well 2 sets of my Zeneos zn33 ran consistently until beyond the wearbars. About 15k each. I seriously couldn't imagine how hard the tyre compound need to be in order to last 30k though.
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oh... 15k per set of Zeneos
30k try GT or Michelin Road 5/6 or Metzeler Roadtecs...
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QUOTE(alexei @ Feb 16 2024, 04:47 PM)
GT came with dual compound, and you're probably right about the higher load bearing thing, ST have limited rear sizes, 160, 180 and 190/50, many older Pirelli models moved to China, and bias ones for Rosso III moved to Indonesia
bias ply tyres need to go 1 size down for the same rim width because of the construction, so you would probably need a 150

Zeneos peeling probably wouldn't hurt the performance, it's probably caused by being too long in service, maybe more than 2 years I'd guess... but it's unusual
my Maxxis kapcai had compound boundary (soft side hard center) separation crack after 10 years in service

30k mileage tyre for me is unheard of, haha... I couldn't wait to change after 5k km each time.
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1 size down, that's new to me
but still it's very stiff
the ST able to absorb bumps better than ZN62 so bontot tak kebas sangat

suspect because i hit the reflector on the lines. those square 1. started off as small line, keeps getting longer. don't want to be stranded on highway or worse, crash so decided to change it.

current ST is at 50k. well, rode like uncle. those y15, 185 will usually zoom pass me on my way back. 5k? I'll be changing the rubber every 2 months. kopak wei
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QUOTE(k41AA @ Feb 17 2024, 11:41 AM)
1 size down, that's new to me
but still it's very stiff
the ST able to absorb bumps better than ZN62 so bontot tak kebas sangat

suspect because i hit the reflector on the lines. those square 1. started off as small line, keeps getting longer. don't want to be stranded on highway or worse, crash so decided to change it.

current ST is at 50k. well, rode like uncle. those y15, 185 will usually zoom pass me on my way back. 5k? I'll be changing the rubber every 2 months. kopak wei
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try this tyre and match your rim width... assuming your bike has 4.00 width rim, it calls for 140 or 150 tyre size for BT45 which is a bias tyre
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radial construction can have a fancy shape crown that gives different contact patch at various lean angles, but bias tyres will always be round

yeah, 5k for me is 6 months... so 20k is 2 years, 30k is 3 years... I can't wait that long
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Feb 15 2024, 01:41 PM)
I bought the benkia one for my partner, not sure why the shop didn't recommend us the komine for women.
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maybe the shop didn't carry them.
most shops only carry one or two or three brands only in their inventory.

even then a lot of shops don't have all color for any particular model. hodaka have lots of komine model and color since they are the main distro for malaysia.

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