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post Oct 28 2007, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(Crazy.SoT.Gila @ Oct 27 2007, 12:03 PM)
Ah.. I see.. Last time I thought that S mode would only go to the first two gears whereas L mode uses the first gear only laugh.gif  laugh.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif So S mode is still capable to go up to like the 5th gear and so right? Whenever I activate steermatic I'll feel a slight jerk, is it normal? Oh and, if I activate steermatic, but I don't shift (as in, keep it auto, not manual), any difference with the steermatic off? huh.gif
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L mode, caters for very low gears, i.e 1->2.. you cant go speeding with L.

On the other hand, the S-mode is like D-mode, you get the full blow, and not just 3rd and 4th gears only, its only that in s-mode, RPMs that are developed are way higher 4K++.

Yes, you get a jerk when you turn on the 7spd, its due to the CVT--->ECU switching the car to go for higher RPMs. When you feel the jerk, you can see your RPM meter go way up faster to >3K RPMs

D-mode RPM: 1.5K-2.7K - Best for smooth engine load and good FC
S-mode RPM: 4K - 4.5K - Best for burst of power, greater engine load, higher FC
7speed RPM: 3K - 4.5K - Best of both, adequately high RPM (3K+) for good spd, and not so bad FC


QUOTE(stevenfah @ Oct 27 2007, 11:21 AM)
Wah, notorius, u really live up to ur name, huh...  notworthy.gif
Same kinda kick here drool.gif
But wouldn't it be more assuring if the SA is male?
No disrespect, but do they really know wat they are talking about? hmm.gif
Wat bout if the SA himself / herself doesn't drive a Honda to begin with...  hmm.gif
Would they really know wat sort of experience we should look forward to?
Any comments? icon_idea.gif

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Exactly.. some SAs, dont know squat abt the car they are selling.. they only know the 'basic' characteristics of the car.. I think evrytime we go see a Honda SA, we need to ask them what kinda car they use 1st, only then we decide to hear his babel or not.. heh whistling.gif

QUOTE(stevenfah @ Oct 27 2007, 11:21 AM)

Added on October 27, 2007, 11:31 am

By the way, any one knows if we should start driving off if the Cold Temp Indicator is still ON?
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Its normal.. the cold temp indicator just indicates your engine's coolant temperature not the engine as a whole. Its absolutely harmless to drive off but make sure you dont go swooshing around at 100km/h directly..

QUOTE(neato4u @ Oct 27 2007, 01:06 PM)
I heard one of the SC agent advising a City owner to punch the 7speed mode when overtaking for more power. If the SC advise so, i should think no problem. It does gives you more power / slight pickup.
No warranty anymore. Just changed the CVTF a few weeks ago @ Honda SC. As i said, they tuned the engine and it was ok for a while. But happened again. Maybe the car's memory 'forgot' the settings again? Or just couldn't learn my driving style?

Anyway going to SC next month to check this again. This time should i go to the same SC or to another one?
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I think the 'tuning' of the cvt and ecu aint right.. try to ask again at the SC ppl.. why dont you bring them for a ride and show to them?

I think you better go to another SC and ask their opinion.. cont recommend any thou, but what ive heard, Sri Utama Auto Sdn Bhd is good:

Sri Utama Auto Sdn Bhd
No. 21,22 & 23, Jalan Usahawan 5, Setapak Industrial Area, Off Jalan Genting Kelang, 53200 Kuala Lumpur.
Tel : 03-4024 2266
Fax : 03-4024 9320


dunno if its that good, but heard a lot of good feedback frm customer going here.. why not try?


I doubt its a g/box problem.. if its a g/box problem you shouldve been in a gutter rite now.. imho.. Logically thinking, why would honda slap on the 7speed mode if its prone to break down and risky to use in the 1st place rite?.. I think the CVT-7 couldnt be damaged so easily.. its just you have to do the services religiously.. normal driving conditions and sudden burst of power needed frm the system wont destroy it imho.. but ive seen many ppl, (mainly families with idsi CTs) wont even dare to turn on the 7speed as they say, 'nanti g/box rosak kalau guna 7speed' wtf? what a waste.. i think that's why honda removed the 7speed mode frm their new 4G CTs...


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post Oct 28 2007, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(Fasap @ Oct 28 2007, 01:16 AM)
L mode, caters for very low gears, i.e 1->2.. you cant go speeding with L.

On the other hand, the S-mode is like D-mode, you get the full blow, and not just 3rd and 4th gears only, its only that in s-mode, RPMs that are developed are way higher 4K++.

Yes, you get a jerk when you turn on the 7spd, its due to the CVT--->ECU switching the car to go for higher RPMs. When you feel the jerk, you can see your RPM meter go way up faster to >3K RPMs

D-mode RPM: 1.5K-2.7K - Best for smooth engine load and good FC
S-mode RPM: 4K - 4.5K - Best for burst of power, greater engine load, higher FC
7speed RPM: 3K - 4.5K - Best of both, adequately high RPM (3K+) for good spd, and not so bad FC

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Ah I see. How about the difference between 7-speed in D and 7-speed in S? I found out that the gear 1 changes to gear 2 at 4k+ RPM while in D and steermatic set to manual, whereas S can use your method of take off (5.5k). Also, any difference between D/S steermatic deactivated and D/S steermatic activated on auto?

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Added on October 28, 2007, 10:56 amOh and, I don't really need to downshift unless I want the acceleration, right? I notice that the gear downshifts by itself even on manual according to the speed.

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post Oct 28 2007, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(Fasap @ Oct 28 2007, 01:16 AM)
I think the 'tuning' of the cvt and ecu aint right.. try to ask again at the SC ppl.. why dont you bring them for a ride and show to them?

I think you better go to another SC and ask their opinion.. cont recommend any thou, but what ive heard, Sri Utama Auto Sdn Bhd is good:

Sri Utama Auto Sdn Bhd
No. 21,22 & 23, Jalan Usahawan 5, Setapak Industrial Area, Off Jalan Genting Kelang, 53200 Kuala Lumpur.
Tel : 03-4024 2266
Fax : 03-4024 9320


dunno if its that good, but heard a lot of good feedback frm customer going here.. why not try?
I doubt its a g/box problem.. if its a g/box problem you shouldve been in a gutter rite now.. imho.. Logically thinking, why would honda slap on the 7speed mode if its prone to break down and risky to use in the 1st place rite?.. I think the CVT-7 couldnt be damaged so easily.. its just you have to do the services religiously.. normal driving conditions and sudden burst of power needed frm the system wont destroy it imho.. but ive seen many ppl, (mainly families with idsi CTs) wont even dare to turn on the 7speed as they say, 'nanti g/box rosak kalau guna 7speed' wtf? what a waste.. i think that's why honda removed the 7speed mode frm their new 4G CTs...

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Yeah i will try and send it over to another SC. I sent mine previously at Ipoh (@ jln maxwell if i'm not mistaken - as balik kampung there). The service was excellent and they treat me like VIP (not to mention gave me lots of milo to drink and plus showed me around the workshop).

But problem persists.. hm.. i think my car degil a bit. But she's been nice in FC now, very nice smile.gif

QUOTE(Crazy.SoT.Gila @ Oct 28 2007, 10:40 AM)
Ah I see. How about the difference between 7-speed in D and 7-speed in S? I found out that the gear 1 changes to gear 2 at 4k+ RPM while in D and steermatic set to manual, whereas S can use your method of take off (5.5k). Also, any difference between D/S steermatic deactivated and D/S steermatic activated on auto?

Thanks notworthy.gif


Added on October 28, 2007, 10:56 amOh and, I don't really need to downshift unless I want the acceleration, right? I notice that the gear downshifts by itself even on manual according to the speed.
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Not quite sure about your first question, but i think 7speed auto on D gives you a bit more power than normal D. And S + 7speed auto gaves you more power / pickup then S alone. But honestly, i don't like to use it very much. The CVT was designed for you NOT to feel any gear change @ smooth acceleration all the way. By switching over to 7speed auto / manual would gave you the jerk of changing gears. If you want to show off in front of friends, can this can be fun.

As they say, they shouldn't label it as 7speed mode but 'fun mode' instead. smile.gif

I don't know how the normal City would feel if change to 7speed auto / manual and if there is a huge difference in pickup / power - as mine will jerk and jerk if i switch over to other than D. sad.gif

Ah, boring boring boring...

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post Oct 29 2007, 10:41 AM

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hi neato4u, can describe your car's jerking situation?
is it on constant highspeed then it jerks?

mine does jerk as well, during low speed D mode then press hard on the accelerator.


another issue, when i turn the steering max to the left/ right and move, got some weird sound, like the wheel is on sand stretching sound. anyone got this issue? is it something wrong?

can ask SA do full car checkup? like human doing full body checkup tongue.gif
warranty until next year Feb, hope can detect any parts failure before that.
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QUOTE(F1meteor @ Oct 29 2007, 10:41 AM)
hi neato4u, can describe your car's jerking situation?
is it on constant highspeed then it jerks?

mine does jerk as well, during low speed D mode then press hard on the accelerator.
another issue, when i turn the steering max to the left/ right and move, got some weird sound, like the wheel is on sand stretching sound. anyone got this issue? is it something wrong?

can ask SA do full car checkup? like human doing full body checkup tongue.gif
warranty until next year Feb, hope can detect any parts failure before that.
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your engine mounting has loosen, try to check with your local SC or if cannot fix it with tighten your mounting, you need to buy a strunt bar or arm bar
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QUOTE(babyk @ Oct 29 2007, 10:46 AM)
your engine mounting has loosen, try to check with your local SC or if cannot fix it with tighten your mounting, you need to buy a strunt bar or arm bar
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doh.gif huh.... engine mounting problem need to change all the mounting la... strut bar is not the solution.
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QUOTE(unitron @ Oct 29 2007, 01:42 PM)
doh.gif huh.... engine mounting problem need to change all the mounting la...  strut bar is not the solution.
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doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
you can fix it with strut bar to prevent roll over
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went to klang and usj showroom on sunday.
WTF still dont have VTEC CITY. only have IDSI.
Haih, I want to take alook on VTEC CITY.
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looks like a lot of new members..you guys should organise yumchar session..come out chit chat share share. rclxms.gif
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Yeah fell in lurv with it first time i c it with the mugen mod.

So jeles lah me c u all talk bout ur CT vmad.gif cry.gif biggrin.gif

Cant seem to find ppl selling VTEC... all selling iDsi only... sad.gif

Argh, why oh why they make it so complicated? This car seem rare like 'limited edition' only... dam.

Write to Honda ask them make one new batch of 3rd gen!! cool2.gif
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QUOTE(hajimemashoo @ Oct 30 2007, 03:44 PM)
Yeah fell in lurv with it first time i c it with the mugen mod.

So jeles lah me c u all talk bout ur CT  vmad.gif  cry.gif  biggrin.gif

Cant seem to find ppl selling VTEC... all selling iDsi only...  sad.gif

Argh, why oh why they make it so complicated? This car seem rare like 'limited edition' only... dam.

Write to Honda ask them make one new batch of 3rd gen!!  cool2.gif
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Yeah.. the 3gen seems to be more 'sporty' in some way compared to 4gen, summore vtec is quite powerful engine for car in this class.. maybe that's why ppl wont let go any 3gen vtec nowadays..

Honda should do an encore production of the 3gen nod.gif

QUOTE(fooken @ Oct 30 2007, 01:21 PM)
looks like a lot of new members..you guys should organise yumchar session..come out chit chat share share.  rclxms.gif
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Indeed.. seems like teamcity is also getting a lot of new members.. mostly frm this LYN thread imho laugh.gif

but why this thread suddenly so quiet, hmmm.. hmm.gif

Ok.. one question..

Like ive informed earlier, I just bought a 2nd 2004 idsi CT, and the warranty already kaput last month. currently my mileage reaching the 25K km mark.

1. should I go for my 1st service at a Honda SC or just go to normal mechanic? at this interval, am I better of with Honda SC or normal mechanic?

2. what is usually serviced @ 25k km service?

3. what is the major service mileage for the CT? 30K? 40K? what's the cost?

hope to get feedback frm you guys.. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Fasap @ Oct 30 2007, 03:49 PM)
Yeah.. the 3gen seems to be more 'sporty' in some way compared to 4gen, summore vtec is quite powerful engine for car in this class.. maybe that's why ppl wont let go any 3gen vtec nowadays..

Honda should do an encore production of the 3gen  nod.gif
Indeed.. seems like teamcity is also getting a lot of new members.. mostly frm this LYN thread imho laugh.gif

but why this thread suddenly so quiet, hmmm.. hmm.gif

Ok.. one question..

Like ive informed earlier, I just bought a 2nd 2004 idsi CT, and the warranty already kaput last month. currently my mileage reaching the 25K km mark.

1. should I go for my 1st service at a Honda SC or just go to normal mechanic? at this interval, am I better of with Honda SC or normal mechanic?

2. what is usually serviced @ 25k km service?

3. what is the major service mileage for the CT? 30K? 40K? what's the cost?

hope to get feedback frm you guys..  thumbup.gif
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2 and 3
see your manual whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(babyk @ Oct 30 2007, 04:44 PM)
2 and 3
see your manual whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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3. dun hv cost in manual lorr.. doh.gif care to share anyone?

chkd honda website arnd RM711.23 shocking.gif really? anyone done their major service.. how much?
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QUOTE(Fasap @ Oct 30 2007, 05:07 PM)
3. dun hv cost in manual lorr.. doh.gif  care to share anyone?

chkd honda website arnd RM711.23  shocking.gif  really? anyone done their major service.. how much?
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what you see on honda website is what you get
unless you go non authorized shop to service then will be cheaper doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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wah, so high the maintenance fees
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QUOTE(cooler123 @ Oct 30 2007, 06:40 PM)
wah, so high the maintenance fees
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nice car.. nice maintenance brows.gif

anyways..

Any feedback frm ppl that actually have done the 40K service?
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40k service is the major service where they changed quite a number of parts compared to your other regular interval services.

spark plugs, fuel filter, air filter, CVTF etc etc

forgotten liow. I claimed my 40k items before my warranty was over.

My car April 2004. Car mileage now is 47K. tongue.gif

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?!?! mileage so low wan ah urs for 2004 car?? respect...

anyway threadstarter can takemy name off the hondacity list ... recently kena stolen
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QUOTE(yeahh @ Oct 30 2007, 10:25 PM)
?!?! mileage so low wan ah urs for 2004 car?? respect...

anyway threadstarter can takemy name off the hondacity list ... recently kena stolen
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is it true bro?
pity you.. how come kena curi?
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QUOTE(fooken @ Oct 30 2007, 08:32 PM)
40k service is the major service where they changed quite a number of parts compared to your other regular interval services.

spark plugs, fuel filter, air filter, CVTF etc etc

forgotten liow. I claimed my 40k items before my warranty was over.

My car April 2004. Car mileage now is 47K.  tongue.gif
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Ok.. noted.. thanx for the info.. looks like major services are supposed to be done at Honda then..

not bad man, 3 years+ and 47K km.. but mine's 3 years+ @ 24K km.. brows.gif

QUOTE(yeahh @ Oct 30 2007, 10:25 PM)
?!?! mileage so low wan ah urs for 2004 car?? respect...

anyway threadstarter can takemy name off the hondacity list ... recently kena stolen
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Whooaa... what happened?? care to fill us in if its not troublesome for you. Its just so that our fellow members can be more alert abt this...

Wah.. Honda CT also a target ah? haish.. no cars are safe nowadays... blink.gif

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