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Cavino
post Oct 9 2024, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(thechickadee @ Oct 7 2024, 11:14 PM)
From all the groups i've seen and followed, FE is the worst of them all.
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No lar, it's just FE has higher number of buyers, mostly younger person that can still complain online and likely drive more aggressively.

Even the new CRV is already started with the same issues but they are not that long in the market, higher pricing means lesser number of buyers, still lack of stocks AND the buyers are also usually older persons and don't post comment online. If you just look at ratio rather than how loud we shouted, CRV might also start chasing this numbers.

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post Oct 9 2024, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Oct 9 2024, 09:19 AM)
No lar, it's just FE has higher number of buyers, mostly younger person that can still complain online and likely drive more aggressively.

Even the new CRV is already started with the same issues but they are not that long in the market, higher pricing means lesser number of buyers, still lack of stocks AND the buyers are also usually older persons and don't post comment online. If you just look at ratio rather than how loud we shouted, CRV might also start chasing this numbers.
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frm data.gov: FE sells mthly ave 886 units frm 2022 jan till jun 2024 total 26589k units vs fC mthly 1013 units ave & total 66882k over 5.5yrs sold.
so dec 2021-feb 2022 may hv shared fc/fe sales. seems FE newer cars hv already racks issues by 1st mth ownership and more cases it seems with current slightly lower sales numbers.

https://data.gov.my/dashboard/car-popularity
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post Oct 9 2024, 10:18 AM

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Sorry guys I cannot remember the code for proper YT embed.

Anyway this is a good video, you can see the first level root cause.

But, NO, I personally don't agree that the cause is a "lack of grease" is the cause. It is actually an effect of the issue. Meaning to say the stickiness, I speculate CAUSES the grease to lack and squeeze away from the mesh.

If its was so simple as lack of grease that Honda try to say, I assure you Honda can just rework 100% of the gear boxes with plenty of grease and it WOULD NOT have been an issue from 2016 FC to 2024 FE, CR-V, HR-V, Accord for the last decade.

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post Oct 9 2024, 01:47 PM

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I joined Civic FC Ketam FB group, strange very seldom they ask about steering rack, 1.8 CVT failure appeared more frequent tho
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post Oct 9 2024, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Oct 9 2024, 01:47 PM)
I joined Civic FC Ketam FB group, strange very seldom they ask about steering rack, 1.8 CVT failure appeared more frequent tho
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Was famous on previous gen HRV. Like everywhere people got it, right after warranty ended. And most was shocked after got price quotation of repair

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post Oct 9 2024, 10:18 PM

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Honda recalling 1.7 million US vehicles over steering issue
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-tran...age-2024-10-09/

Recall but don’t fix the root cause also no use
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post Oct 9 2024, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(tifosi @ Oct 9 2024, 10:18 PM)
Honda recalling 1.7 million US vehicles over steering issue
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-tran...age-2024-10-09/

Recall but don’t fix the root cause also no use
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biggest market and strongest government body took 2 years to force this recall, by the end of this exercise if it doesnt work, another 2 years later all warranty also lapse. To illustrate my point, the FC model also use the same EPS module generally and after so many years even government also no strength to force recall. See the youtube video i link above.

meanwhile in Malaysia we might get an update of the update.


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post Oct 9 2024, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Oct 9 2024, 10:18 AM)

Sorry guys I cannot remember the code for proper YT embed.

Anyway this is a good video, you can see the first level root cause.

But, NO, I personally don't agree that the cause is a "lack of grease" is the cause. It is actually an effect of the issue. Meaning to say the stickiness, I speculate CAUSES the grease to lack and squeeze away from the mesh.

If its was so simple as lack of grease that Honda try to say, I assure you Honda can just rework 100% of the gear boxes with plenty of grease and it WOULD NOT have been an issue from 2016 FC to 2024 FE, CR-V, HR-V, Accord for the last decade.
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Can't play the video.

By the way, as of now at least adding extra grease does help.
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post Oct 10 2024, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(tifosi @ Oct 9 2024, 10:18 PM)
Honda recalling 1.7 million US vehicles over steering issue
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-tran...age-2024-10-09/

Recall but don’t fix the root cause also no use
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Honda said the issue stems from an improperly produced part can swell when exposed to environmental heat and moisture and added a spring was set improperly high, increasing the sliding force between the components.

Well that sounds a lot like our environment lol. High heat, high moisture

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post Oct 10 2024, 07:20 AM

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I remember seeing on fb someone applied more grease and claimed solved..
Honda Canada should just follow his method 😂
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post Oct 10 2024, 08:01 AM

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damn, just found out my driver seat there got 1 line crack, anyone know how much to repair/replace? i never put anything in my back pocket also ,dont know why it will have 1 line crack like tat..

prob im from east msia.. else got alot choices over west msia can do..

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QUOTE(squareballs @ Oct 10 2024, 07:20 AM)
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I remember seeing on fb someone applied more grease and claimed solved..
Honda Canada should just follow his method 😂
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Crash risk. This sure many owner had to take losses when get rid of this.
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post Oct 10 2024, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 10 2024, 08:01 AM)
damn, just found out my driver seat there got 1 line crack, anyone know how much to repair/replace? i never put anything in my back pocket also ,dont know why it will have 1 line crack like tat..

prob im from east msia.. else got alot choices over west msia can do..
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Seat crack, koyak, many shared on FE facebooks group, most dont get warranty claim and its due to plastic based materials at side section of the seat. So most send to leather car seat shop repair for few hundred from what I noted.
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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Oct 9 2024, 11:03 PM)
Can't play the video.

By the way, as of now at least adding extra grease does help.
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open the video in youtube website...

anyway Honda does not advocate adding grease unnecessarily, but only to lubricate the gear mesh contacts.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2024/MC-11006250-0001.pdf
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCAK-24V744-1977.pdf

Based on the dates of the technical bulletin which is actually months ago, possibly people start to copy this method and perhaps resolved their stickiness, if not permanently, at least from July 2024 onwards.

I still have many unanswered questions here.
1. Did they drill deep and wide? How come only recent, non obsolete models affected?
2. Why no action taken to replace or improve the worm wheel, which they acknowledge got problem already?
2.1 What is wrong with the spring that requires new replacement, there is no detail on this part except throw away and straightaway put a new one. Wouldn't it just end up being same? If same why replace?
3. The timeline of execution, from March to August there was NO activity. Why, what happen?
4. What happen to the first attempt of replacing the steering gearbox, the first "recall". Why should we trust the second recall?
5. Malaysia leh.
6. Other brand / model of EPS, really the difference is just more grease at the gear? For 10 years Honda has been packing insufficient grease across all models, and they didn't bother to crack open another Toyota / mazda / nissan to see oh, bugger they have so much grease?

Anyway I just sibuk jer, don't mind me.

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May I know how long does it take to claim warranty from Honda? My aircond compressor broken only after two months usage, and it is still pending from Honda after claim submitted for 2 weeks already.
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post Oct 10 2024, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 10 2024, 08:01 AM)
damn, just found out my driver seat there got 1 line crack, anyone know how much to repair/replace? i never put anything in my back pocket also ,dont know why it will have 1 line crack like tat..

prob im from east msia.. else got alot choices over west msia can do..
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Mine had a small line crack too, only noticed it few days before selling off.


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QUOTE(sooyewguan @ Oct 10 2024, 09:35 AM)
May I know how long does it take to claim warranty from Honda? My aircond compressor broken only after two months usage, and it is still pending from Honda after claim submitted for 2 weeks already.
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Depends ok parts, usually 1mth+ ,just need to wait till they inform u
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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Oct 9 2024, 10:18 AM)

Sorry guys I cannot remember the code for proper YT embed.

Anyway this is a good video, you can see the first level root cause.

But, NO, I personally don't agree that the cause is a "lack of grease" is the cause. It is actually an effect of the issue. Meaning to say the stickiness, I speculate CAUSES the grease to lack and squeeze away from the mesh.

If its was so simple as lack of grease that Honda try to say, I assure you Honda can just rework 100% of the gear boxes with plenty of grease and it WOULD NOT have been an issue from 2016 FC to 2024 FE, CR-V, HR-V, Accord for the last decade.
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post Oct 10 2024, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(squareballs @ Oct 10 2024, 07:20 AM)
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I remember seeing on fb someone applied more grease and claimed solved..
Honda Canada should just follow his method 😂
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This seems to indicate that the newly face lifted civic would suffer from this problem as well. At least the first or second batch, if the rumors of them are currently being manufactured is true.
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QUOTE(thechickadee @ Oct 10 2024, 02:16 PM)
This seems to indicate that the newly face lifted civic would suffer from this problem as well. At least the first or second batch, if the rumors of them are currently being manufactured is true.
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Again no indication for way forward. Left the puzzle to be solved by the customer

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