sorry i'm late to report in, i have been eyeing the lowest spec to replace the 1.8S from FC, but with lowest price and Honda sense + 1.5T power...
For the price part I suppose we wont know if it'll be anywhere near RM110k per FC 1.8S..
But can anyone confirm (based on unrelease specs) that it will have 1.5T, Honda sense and looks like fabric seats, manual adjustment, and LED DRL (this is higher than Tomyam lowest spec right?) and 16 inch alloys?

No matter the size of the Infotainment, it will have at least wired Apple car play right?

Ok, time for me to contribute:
E - est. RM115k
V - est. RM125k
RS - est. RM135k

According to SA who I just simply connect with over FB.

He has showed the similar pictures that were attached above too.
For me, its thinking whether I need 10k worth of trim (leather, 17in, 9in Android auto, powered seats) and increasingly to me is no need.

I hope the price holds true though.

i suppose time will tell, and neither of us will get prize for guessing the correct number...

It looks like the Salesman say to me they are committed to keep the price as above (of course May run up a bit) but he say 150k might as well buy CRV TCP.
Their are still more logical than Mazda in this sense, not forgetting their ability to CKD straightaway.

He almost ask me to pay for the E spec but I said will wait for official launch.

I can tell you from a business standpoint, if I am HM I won't do that. This is a consumer centric business, and discretionary.

While I understand cost may have gone up 20%, raising prices across the board 10% may equal to 20% less business. Its not as straightforward as you imagine, especially for consumer discretionary goods.

The business that we work in, for those selling to consumer we fix the price, look for cheaper alternative (engineering) and for those we can, like to business or industrial, we raise.

Agree but I’m not convinced we are there yet. Either way, the day Honda announce price increase for CRV or civic RS 150k is the day I book Corolla cross or CRV at today prices, whichever comes first.

I think E starting from 120k is still perhaps palatable. Anywhere near 130k as a starting point is telling everyone to take a hard look at Corolla (CBU), Corolla cross, Subaru, or Mazda 3, CRV, cx-5 for the RS.

so, suppose E spec with 1.5T, manual seats, 7in display with no android auto, 16in, and FABRIC seats, no auto wiper, likely weak sauce speaker system

vs 1.8G electric seat, 9in display, 17in alloy, leather seats, auto wiper, not so weak sauce speakers and "shitty" interior
both same price, which one will you buy? Hypothetically, Rm130k upper estimate for the E spec.

Or would you still feel justified to spend 10k more and uptrim the FE Civic to get everything comparable to the Altis, while keeping the interior that you like? (Which for the purpose of this hypothetical question means 140k for V spec).

on the subject of torsion beam vs multi link or even A-Arm or fully independent suspension - I don't really care as long as it works. What i mean by works of course is it sits people comfortable, handles reasonably and won't roll too much.

I mean, you have wira with rear multilink suspensions and they are not exactly known for much.
Neither will I be subjecting my family sedan to the 3.5G corners at 100km/h.

to me the 1.5t is quite a far bit more powerful than the 1.8NA corolla. Its like comparing a horse and a donkey. But sad to say I've driven prius and the atkinson cycle 1.8 with electric assist is also just as sleepy as 1.8NA. I have no hope for it.

Either way I know what I need - a safe, C segment (size), some form of carplay and reliability. After that, as low a price as possible.

I think anything else goes to the price vs feature column.

It all comes at a price… city sensing is expensive as balls. But yeah, in Malaysia buy car = wonder why they take out the xyz features.

I’m happy to use fat donuts for our hard core military spec potholes.

so unfortunately with City, you are forced to pay for everything, when all you may want is safety. (That's what I meant by its expensive). I don't mean that the safety features are not worth it, I mean I don't know what its actually worth when you force me to buy the whole premium package. I'd really like for them to give me the option to choose what kind of stupid trim (the things I may want) while maintaining a minimum, highest safety rating base model (the thing I need). If they don't or cannot then you know they are trying to earn more by assuming it is worth more than the sum of its parts.

So while we’re making wishes to HM, I’d like to confirm my wish for a minimally priced, 1.5T, wired (apple) car play, full Honda sense, full air bags. Amen.

My friend driving the 10th gen already complain that elderly cannot easily in and out, he is already looking ahead for SUV.

He say worse than previous gen Myvi. Personally this is also why I will insist on actual test, and will keep Corolla cross in my list.

You need to be more specific a bit, because when you say family of 4 immediately everyone assume middle aged couple with young children. It can be a lot different from any actual reality.

Yesterday I went to test drive a CRV and enquired also about the civic.

The salesman must have thought I am rich enough to afford the CRV and so kept telling me the civic S lowest spec will likely not have Honda sense (above 130k) and V spec will be 140k+ as speculated by some previously. While civic RS will be 160k+

He also mentions that it’ll take another 3 months for Civic to be launched. In other words he is trying to imply I got no choice and time to wait for civic. Must buy a CRV NOW!

I think all these salesman wanna sell something real quick and as high as possible…while we as consumers perhaps still care about our wallets. At least I do. But for sure I’m not keen to find the same guy.

My own take from this doesn’t change, I have waited long enough for the 10th gen to phase out so that Honda sense can be passed downstream to S and E for lower, price, but if due to inflation or greed, they wanna keep the price higher I guess I may either just get the old model 2nd Hand, or my first choice is to buy a Corolla cross. All I’m saying is competition is stiff in this price range too.

I also went to test drive the 1.8V Corolla cross and I’m quite happy with it, except for the lack of power. I now have every belief that the hybrid at 137k will solve all my problems…so, I’m more keen towards that if the price of Civic is same. Even the 1.8V is already acceptable actually (I’m not a racer, I’m actually a very mild uncle).

This post has been edited by lee82gx: Dec 5 2021, 07:56 AM

Mind to explain more? I only want some torque and acceleration from low to mid speed, basically just for mild sprint in case need to come out of junctions…
You have tested already?

Anyway I already guessed that the civic will have sensing across variants, I already know what the salesman trying to do.

Thanks! I rechecked, you are not wrong there bro. I also just told mentioned if its the same as Prius (Atkinson 1.8) it will be sluggish.

1. Is definitely not the 2L Toyota hybrid Force from Corolla.
2. The bloody salesman (again) from toyota told me it is 170PS and 350Nm. Looks like completely UNTRUE, it is nearer to 122PS/140Nm...I asked the fella is this the same system performance as a Prius and he told me no...anyway kena tipu again.
Oh well it is more of less off my list for now. Whats the point in buying an expensive engine that is lower in performance, only to end up spending all that petrol savings into a new battery in 8-10 years.....Nett is more money out of pocket, who counts that carbon?
3. I don't even want to test drive a 122hp / 140Nm version of the thing I already tested at 139hp/170Nm....

The one thing that is not so accurate is that all hybrid batteries run out of charge if you don't decelerate, there is not much change in that regard. I think it is generally counted in minutes of capacity. Not hours.

I suppose that's reasonable advice. But I believe I will only test drive AFTER Civic is announced (knowing more information).

I'm wondering if all the customers test drive 5min, randomly depending on luck the damn battery may be in zero charge also....lol...and there is no plug in....Is it they have to keep the engine running all the time to ensure the battery is charged?

Can you guys educate me what is really the benefit of say a 10.2in display inside the dashboard vs a 4in display? Although I know you can see more things but a driver trully really needs just RPM, speed, gear right?

Does the display actually show the navigation turn by turn inside there?

What is inside the current TC-P?

Ok, so its mainly pure eye candy that doesn't affect the driving, perhaps aids driver awareness in some ways.

The reason I'm comparing with TC-P is actually, I test drove it and I can tell you I completely forgot what was displayed on it haha. Whatever its size I can say I dont recall what it actually does lol.