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Introduction

Sugar gliders are little marsupials that have been taken as exotic pets in many countries. These creatures are different from normal pet rodents like hamsters, mice and rats. They have character, mood swings, emotional bonds and the sweetest nature for a pet that comes in such a small package. Commonly mistaken as flying squirrels, Sugar gliders can be both easy and hard to take care. Their general care is much more complicated than pet rodents and they require alot of affection and attention from its owners. Look at it this way, gliders are like 3 year old kids.... they act cute and can annoy us sometimes while at the same time needs our total attention and bond.

Sugar gliders are tiny gliding opossums from Indonesia, New Guinea, New Zealand and Australia. Wild sugar gliders live in colonies of 6 to 15 animals in tree hollows or other nests made of vegetation. They are nocturnal so will mainly spend most of their day time asleep, only waking up at early mornings and late at night to forage for food.

An adult sugar glider is about the size of a flying squirrel, approximately 5 to 7 inches long from tip of nose to base of tail. Adults in proper body condition weigh about 120g. The tail is fluffy, often curls on the end and usually is longer than the body length.

Sugar glider joeys are normally a nice slivery grey but as they age, they will shed away this soft joey coat and replace with their true colours. Some glider colours that we have here are the normal greys and a few shades of browns. Some would turn brown if they constantly stay in coconuts coz it stains the fur. You should not worry about the colour for eac sugar glider is unique in its own little way.

Where to get a joey? What age and size?

Petshops and suppliers do sell Sugar Gliders but please be aware if the age and size. Some shops may tell you that the younger the joey, the better but do remember, these animals when young needs milk to stay healthy. Also, our local pet milk or cows milk is not suitable since marsupials cannot tolerate lactose that is higher than 3.5%.

A guide to know which is the right age and which is not.

Never get a joey that looks like this:

Original photo by Hun







Photos as reference from www.glideruniversity.org

Underaged sugar gliders..... never get joeys that look like the ones in these pictures. They still need their mother's milk and warmth, they need more attention and more work than properly weaned joeys. Those pics, the joeys are only 3 weeks old Out Of Pouch.... joeys should be separated when they are more than 8 weeks Out Of Pouch... and that is the minimum age. The best age is actually 3 months....

Some people have experience their joeys dying... WHY? Coz the joey is too young, it is depressed and stressed.... a joey that young that is depress will not have any appetite for food, will catch cold and die coz it gives up living.

You should be getting joeys that look like these:


Orginal Photos by Reanne


Original Photo by Hun

Do get joeys that are older than 8 weeks Out Of Pouch. Never trust what petshops says. If you would like to get from a supplier but have no idea how to see the age or if the seller is responsible, do PM Reanne, krynzpeaches or crazymouse_yyh for guidance and information.

There are many sellers and suppliers here in LYN, so please beware of them. Some may tempt you into getting an underage joey by giving you false information. Some may sell you a pair package in order for a quick sales. Do your research first before buying.

There are a few good homebreeders here but they only have a few joeys available once or twice a year, so this is why it is hard to come about homebreeders.

Sugar Gliders as Pets

Tame Sugar Gliders just make the perfect pocket pet for they can travel anywhere with us in a little bonding pouch. They got happy little personalities that love to play and have physical contact with us. These creatures need attention. They are 100% social animals that live in small colonies in the wild. When we keep them in captivity, we must be able to give them a lot of attention and time. Play, bond, touching and feeding are all little things that we must do each day in order for our gliders to be perfect little healthy pets.

Gliders can live 10 to 15 years in captivity so they are considered a long term commitment. Make sure you can actually care for the glider for about 10 years before you get one.

Gliders are not like dogs, where you can train it with a leash and harness or collar and they can do tricks and come when called. Sugar gliders got minds of toddlers. They need to be socialized and trained as soon as you get them but do not train them as if you would train a puppy. No, they would not react to "Good Boy/Girl, shake hand and beg" kind of training and tricks. Gliders require a soft human touch when training. They can be trained to know their names, just be patient and repeat their names when you cuddle them, handle them, feed them and during play. Gliders will never know where to defecate and relieve themselves like cats and dogs. Litter boxes would not work. These creatures would do it anywhere they please.

Also, gliders are not really domesticated so they do have a few wild habits like scent marking, chewing and gnawing on items or us and also climbing all sorts of high places.

A fact to remember, sugar gliders glide, they do not fly so don't be a genius and try to make your glider fly like a bird. Sugar gliders have a gliding membrane that connects their front paws to their back feet. They will spread open when there is a need to glide. This is why harnesses and leashes should never be on them for it could tear the membrane and hurt them.

Important items to have before purchasing a glider!

- A bounding Pouch and sleeping pouch
- A large cage suitable for the glider in the long run
- Fruits and glider mix with supplements
- Knowledge on sugar gliders and joey care
- Get in touch with someone that has experience with gliders.

Males or Females?

It is best not to get a male and female pair. Why is that so? Well, a glider can live for 8 to 12 years on average. A glider can readily breed once mature, some would start breeding at 8 months old while some start only at 2 years. Yes, it may sound tempting to have little joeys but can you be that dedicated? To sell one off can also be heartbreaking for you. So to avoid such pain and also overbreeding for gliders, you should either have a single sex pair or get the male castrated if with a female.

Is there any difference with males and females? Physically yes, females have a pouch on their tummy, it is like a belly button-kind of opening. Males would have their testicles looking like hanging cherries. The males when they mature, would develop a bald patch on its head. This is normal. The bald patch is the scent gland. Males have another scent gland on their chest and also at the anal area. Females do have scent glands to but only at the anal area.

Males musk, means covering their scent all over their territory. Females will mark but very little.

2 males can get along well if there are no females around. But 2 males can fight if a female is about coz they would fight over breeding rights. 2 females get along well too.

If you are thinking about breeding, please please please do read the caresheets and also research more on glider breeding. This is not simple and in the long run, over breeding can stress a glider and can cause it to have a short life span. Not healthy for them.

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General Breeding Information

In this forum, we do not encourage breeding if you do not have the time and knowledge but here are a few websites to guide you if you are curious to know. Also it has pictures and about joey growth:

http://www.petsugargliders.com/sggrowth.php

About milk for gliders:
http://www.pygmypets.com/sg8.html

Good Care Sheets:
http://www.sugarglidercentral.com/wiki/ind...ider_Care_Sheet
http://www.exoticpetvet.com/breeds/sugarglider.htm
http://www.sugar-gliders.com/sugar-glider-care.htm
http://ksks.essortment.com/sugarglidercar_rdxi.htm
http://www.sugargliderbabies.com/info.htm
http://www.thesugarshack.com/
http://thepetglider.com/index/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/cont...tegory/5/19/64/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/cont...tegory/5/25/64/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/content/view/36/64/

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Sep 14 2007, 09:57 PM

Housing

Adult gliders can tolerate a temperature range of 18°-31°C. If you ever keep in an air condition room, never keep the cage directly under the air flow of the glider could catch a cold. Recommended temperature for an air cond room with gliders would be 23°C to 26°C. Gliders in air cond rooms would need warm bedding like fleece or old tshirts to keep them warm in their pouches. Why pouches? Firstly, it is soft and warm, it is also very comfortable and easy to clean and wash. Try and avoid hideboxes for hamsters and birds, coconuts with holes, plastic bird houses. These things just causes your glider to hide more from you and it is hard to clean and also to get your glider out of the hidebox or coconut. A timid glider may become over protective of it's coconut or box and will be harder to tempt it out than a glider that is in a sleeping pouch. Fabric for the pouches should be absorbent materials such as fleece or cotton because it keeps humidity from building up inside, and also "breathe" so that moisture and smells don't build up. It's also easy to wash. If you use materials such as plastic or glazed ceramic, your gliders will eventually take on a brownish tinge as their fur is stained by the trapped moisture, and they probably won't smell as nice as they should.

As for cages, the bigger it is, the better for gliders! Do not be fooled by people saying that hamster cages are good enough or fish tanks. Even small bird cages are too small for them.

Here are some pictures from the Internet as an example of suitable cages:


Dimension: 30"Length x 18"Depth x 55"Height.


Dimension: 18" x 14" x 34"


Dimensions: 60" tall x 30" wide x 30" deep


Dimensions: 19" X 28" X 72


Cage is available at Pet Safari for RM100, Petaling Street petshops Rm85 but blue in colour with rounded roof.

Websites on sugar glider cages, even a How To page:
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/sugarglider...rglidercage.htm
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/sugarglider...rglidercage.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/facehugger/cageplans.html

You can use coconut decorative pots but make sure they are not glazed. Polished ones are ok.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...=post&id=214243

You can get creative with cage accessories. You can use plastic link chains, twine rope, nylon rope, hammocks, flower pots... the list just goes on with your creativity. Check out Garage Sales for sleeping pouches that are a must have for gliders.


Wooden toys for birds do make excellent toys for gliders.

Gliders are arboreal, they need lots of climbing exercise. You can get hold of ExoTerra Vines and make a creeping perch for your gliders to climb up on. Get hold of safe non-toxic branches and use natural fine twine to create climbing ladders or stands, make it up to your own creativity.

Besides climbing material, gliders do love to run on wheels so getting a quality wheel is good for their health. The safest wheel for gliders are Wodent Wheels, not found locally but gladly there is a bulk in Garage Sales for this quality wheel.



Bedding and Cage Substrate

Now it must seem that sugar gliders look like rodents, so some petshops would recommend you to buy hamster wood shavings for your gliders. This is a very big mistake. Never use hamster wood shavings on gliders for the wood would secrete phenols which could cause lung damage in the long run.

Gliders love to sleep in their hideboxes or coconuts or sleeping pouches but they do love it when there is something soft for snuggling. Do not give our normal bath towels. You can just use plain old soft tissue paper. Fleece pieces could be made into blankets. Another safe material would be our cotton tshirts. Get 1 of those Rm3.90 cotton tshirts from Carrefour or Giant hypermarkets and cut the shirt into little pieces. Make sure there are no strings or holes in it. The reason why tissue paper, fleece and cotton tshirts are recommended is that very often gliders like to chew and kick around the material. Stringy towels or holey cloths would tangle the gliders, causing the lost of limbs or worst, death from suffocation. Also, never use sponge or pure cotton.

As for cage substrate, always make sure there is a wire mesh separating the gliders from the substrate at least with a 1 inch gap. You can use plain old newspaper, corn cob bedding, Breeder's Celect Recycled Paper cat litter, Litter Star silicon cat litter pellets or Careline Wood base cat litter. All this can be found in Pet Safari.

For cage accessories, you can contact krynzpeaches

For cages good for gliders, you can contact jtl

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Feb 26 2008, 07:53 PM

Bonding

The very first day you get your glider, it would obviously be a bit scared and needs to adjust it's new surroundings. Place the joey in its pouch and let it have some alone time in the cage. Move the cage to a darker part of the room away from loud noises. Place an old shirt that you have worn into the cage or drape it on top of the cage so that the glider can at least get a whiff of your scent. Place some food and water and let your glider adjust for a day without much disturbance.

The following day. Get your joey or glider accustom to you by touch it. Then have it inside the bonding pouch and carry with you during the day. Gliders are nocturnal animals, means they sleep during the day and are active late at night. Carrying them in a bonding pouch during their sleeping period quickens the bonding process. They like to be against our warm body, hearing our voice, getting our smell and scent into their system. It feels comforting. Don't expect that a glider or joey would become tame in 1 day or 1 week. This bonding process takes months to become successful. Once the glider gets used to our smell, our voice and our warmth, they will look up to use like a friend or companion instead of someone who just feeds and cleans them.

Do remember, they are still animals so gliders will bite, scratch, make noises or try to run away if they feel scared or uncomfortable. So patience is the key. Also, these smart animals know how to "bully" their owners. Some will show anger by biting or attacking or crabbing. This is normal. Never be afraid of such things. Be brave and handle the glider so that it knows you aren't afraid of it. In future, your glider will learn to respect you properly.

Joeys are also easier and faster to tame and bond than adults. Most of the adults in the market are captive bred but they are wild at heart coz they have never been tamed or handled. So Adult gliders need extra time and extra attention when it comes to bonding and taming.

Some questions that came up...

My glider is tame, but he won't return to me. What should I do?
Every glider has a different personality so not all would return to their owners. When you let a glider out of its cage, make sure to glider-proof the room. Sugar gliders are intelligent animals but they do have a mind of their own. Some are comfortable to stay on you and won't leave you alone. Some prefer to play and explore only returning occasionally to make sure you are still there while some just prefer to play away by themselves. Treat them as individuals with attitude.

My sugar gliders have started to bite. Is this normal? What can we do to discourage this?
This is quite normal in bonded gliders. What is the exact reason? Nobody knows why but we can make assumptions. In the wild, sugar gliders gnaw on their favourite trees. Since we are large beings, we may feel like trees to them. Also, bored gliders do like to play bite and gnaw on fingers. Some biting can also be a sign of hunger. If your glider does this as a habit everyday to you, then teach it that biting gives unpleasant things. Everytime your glider bites you hard, blow into its face and say "NO". Most gliders hate it when we blow into their faces.

Example of pouches and cage accessories for sugar gliders:






Original photos by krynzpeaches

Must Sugar Gliders be Kept in a Pair?

There are many cases against keeping sugar gliders alone due to their nature in living in a colony of gliders. Keeping gliders in at least a pair is recommended because many people cannot give half of their time to their gliders.

Gliders can die from loneliness so there is no way to keep a glider alone locked up in the cage for most of its life.

Gliders can certainly be kept alone if the owner is able to spend tons of time with the glider (we're talking about at least 12 hours). This is easier than it's been made out to be. Gliders kept singly will only require 1 hour of play-time but snuggling up to their owner, seeing them every hour or two, receiving strokes murmurs from their owners is what keeps the glider from being lonely. Being pocket pets, gliders can be brought to almost everywhere so they're easy enough to keep by your side for 12 hours or more.

But then if you get 1 gliders at once and try to bond with them, they may not bond as quickly or as closely to you. The best would be obtaining a single glider first, bond and tame it... and in about 2 months time get your 2nd glider to bond and tame. Bonding is alot of hard work but it totally pays off when you see how well and friendly your glider is to you.

Most of us here keep our gliders at least about 10 hours a day on us. We bring them to college, outings or work places in their bonding pouches. Will it cause any trouble? Well, for joeys, they can make noises like crabbing and hissing but this is only a phase. Once they get used to you and your routine, they will sleep like logs in their pouches. Of course, do check with the rules and regulations of your work place or college if they are against pets.


Glider Scent

Male sugar gliders have a scent gland in the middle of the top of their head, which causes the typical bald spot in the center of the wide part of the black stripe there. Another gland is located in the middle of their chest. A third gland, an anal one, is shared by males and females alike. The females also have a scent gland in their pouch.

The male's forehead and chest glands are used in marking his territory and his mates with his scent. Gliders produce at least three distinct odors. One is a sweet, flowery smell; another I don't know how to describe, but it is not really offensive. It can get relatively strong at times, when they are breeding, but after a few days it dies away again. The third is a pungent smell that is produced by the anal gland when a glider is afraid.

Gliders use urine to mark their territory, so you will need to clean their cages and furnishings periodically. Otherwise though, they are very clean little animals

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Sep 10 2007, 04:00 PM

Diet/Nutrion from krynzpeaches

A good and balanced diet can make all the difference not only to humans, but Sugar Gliders too! This will ensure a healthy and long happy life as well as a more clean and slightly better smelling environment

Like the saying "We are what we eat..." So don't take lightly on their diet.

Sugar gliders thrive on sweet substance just like their name, however they cannot take simple sugar like we do, the sweetness must come from natural sources such as fruits. In the wild they require sweet substance from nectar, tree sap, manna, honeydew and fruits, so in captivity, to simulate as close to this, we must provide them with a variety of fresh fruits daily.

Sugar gliders are omnivorous meaning, they don't only need fruits in their diet but insects too for their protein intake. In the wild they get to chase and eat a variety type of insects, but in captivity we normally give them farm raised* meal worms, crickets or boiled chicken meat for their protein. Although there are other types of insects that can be given to sugar gliders, unfortunately we do not have them available here in Malaysia.

DO NOT feed your sugar gliders insects that is captured in your backyard or house compound area, they may contain harmful pesticides that can cause illness to your sugar glider.

For captive sugar gliders, it is also very important to provide them with a daily staple food which can either be a pre-set feeds** that are meant for omnivorous animals or mixes. Unfortunately there is NO pre-set feeds available for sugar gliders in Malaysia. Luckily mixes are something that we can whip up ourselves or be purchased on LYN To make your own mixes, there are plenty of the recipes available in the net, however, personally I feel that we need to make a few adjustments to the recipes in the net to accommodate our sugar gliders in Malaysia. Watch out for cereal, alot of baby food cereal in Malaysia contains milk and soya, which is not good for a glider's health.

Here's a breakdown of the 3 main food category intake for captive sugar glider. Always feed to a ratio of 60% fruits and vegetables and 40% protein. (Increase the protein to 50% for breeding sugar gliders especially moms with joey/s In Pouch or Nursing.)

1) A fresh source of fruits or vegetables. The fruits or vegetables are best to be chopped into grab size pieces as sugar glider likes to grab hold of their food by hand to eat them.
*For a list of fruits and vegetables that is has been fed to our local captive sugar gliders plus some remarks about it, click on the spoiler below.*



2) A fresh source of protein. Farm raised* mealworms or crickets or boiled chicken meat. Be sure to always gut load your mealworms or crickets first before feeding your sugar glider

3) A daily staple of mix. (This is a must since we do not have any other pre-set feeds** for their staple diet.)

Vitamins and Calcium supplements (and other supplements) is a need for captive sugar glider to ensure a balance and healthy diet. Most of the food sources provided still lack of vitamins and especially calcium. By giving them these extra supplements, we can ensure them of a long and healthy life

Most recommended vitamins and calcium supplements (like Vionate and Rep Cal) are unfortunately NOT available here in Malaysia, however there are other brands that has been found similar to these in Malaysia which is Repti-Vite and Repti-Cal. Vitamins and calcium supplements are normally sprinkled on top of their daily food serving. Not more than a pinch per glider and not more than one serving per day. Means if you have added the supplements to their mix, DO NOT add them to their other foods. Too much of the supplements can be as harmful as not giving them at all.

Another great supplement that can be added to their diet is yogurt. Yogurt is high in protein and calcium plus bacterial cultures that promotes the absorption of calcium better. You can feed them plain low fat yogurt or choose to indulge them in some naturally flavored ones. Not more than 1 teaspoon per glider 2 or 3 times a week only. Avoid getting fat-free yogurt. The best are low-fat yogurt for our gliders.

Finally, ensure that fresh clean water is available at all time. Water bottles such as the ones used for hamsters are highly recommended compared to water in dish bowls because water in dish bowls will get easily contaminated by their food, poo and pee.

Some NO foods / CAUTION foods and why.

1) NO corn - Although sugar gliders will readily dive into it, we must not include corn in their diet because the phosphorus content is higher than any other food, thus do not offer any benefits to sugar gliders except more phosphorus that could lead to bone deficiency.

2) NO avocado - Very high in fat.

3) CAUTION on grapes - Although there is still research going on about this, we must caution on the intake of grapes or raisins due to some death in sugar gliders that points to some of the substance found only in grapes. I'd say better safe than sorry.

4) NO iceberg lettuce - Non nutritional value and can cause watery poo!

5) NO chocolates - Chocolates are a NO-NO to all animals. It causes a toxic chemical reaction in most animals.

6) CAUTION on high fat content food - Nuts especially are high in fat. Some will offer sun flower seeds to their sugar gliders, but do this sparingly and strictly as treats not a part of their diet.

7) NO fried food - Again, very high in fat.

8) NO cat or dog food - Although most commercial breeders feed their sugar gliders with cat or dog food, they just merely want to substitute the fresh food that needs to be prepared daily, to something easy and lasting to eat without considering their long term health and not to mention - Cheap. Cat food is designed for cats, same goes with dog food. They are not meant for sugar glider. Not to mention that cat or dog food can cause lumpy jaw (because it is hard), intestinal blockage and kidney failure in the long run.

* Farm raised mealworms or crickets are those you can buy from our local pet shops.
** Pre-set feeds are those commercial dry staple food specially for sugar gliders.

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Sep 12 2007, 08:58 PM

i ask a fren at sydney. she said suggies are illegal as pet. wanna import ferret there also plenty of work .. haih ..

anyway .. YAY V4 !

congratulation to v4

Aiyak, baru wanna reply, said the thread close edy

Haha, great, great, V4 already!




KP

Congrats for the new thread

congrats on v4!

still remember when i first joined.. page 88 on v3 lolx.

wasabi also says congrats :3

Lol. congrats on V4 as well..

Omg v3 havn't finish reading now start v4.... need boost up already. Really need simply search on v3 first.
Just now search around about the calsium and vitamin suppliment, about the Repti Cal is it easy to find in local?
And what is vitamin/mineral suppliment ? Mix fruits also not enought for vitamin?

This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 10 2007, 06:01 PM

Haha,congrats on SG V4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love love love Foxy!
She already stopped crabbing!
SO happy!

Yeah, better speed up on V3

As for Repti Cal or other supplements, have to let Hun to answer that, I dunno the local ones here.

It is better to give them the vitamin & calcium supplements cuz it'll make them healthier and higher chance of living longer

Mix fruit alone is not really enuff.


KP

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Added on September 10, 2007, 6:48 pmOkay, this is my current cage set up.

(You can also see the Wodent Wheel, feeding cups, sleeping pouch & other accessories)

This cage can be found at Pet Safari Ikano for RM100.

This is the most minimum size cage for suggies. If using this type of cage, please let your suggie out more often

DO NOT settle for anything less than this size.

Hun, feel free to add this to the above housing for a cage that can be found locally

Hackerz, the pix is also for your reference


KP

This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Sep 10 2007, 06:50 PM

Hmm i want to try make Leadbeaters Mix but don't know where to get those vitamin & calcuim things around my place.
Egg and other protien food can replace my cat food.
Oh yea, those Leadbeaters Mix need honey is it those malay guy selling that kind honey?
If can make some Leadbeaters Mix for my Ah pit then very nice to her.

Oh yah
How much Repti Cal and Vitamins supplements are we supposed give?

Glad you and Foxy are doing fine heheheh... Can she jump on you when you put her on the table and stand a bit away?

Ah, ok, will add that to the 1st post. Great picture.

Vitamin, I only trust Repti Vite since it is quite ok. Repti Cal has added Vit D3 but so far better than other calcium supplements in the market. If you cannot find Repti Cal and Repti Vite, look for calcium that are for humans but make sure it is pure calcium, no added vitamins or minerals in it. There should be no dairy product in it too. Only use 1 tablet crushed into powder for 1 mixture of Leadbeaters Mix.

No, you cannot use those honey. Those wild or asli honey are raw, it may not be safe. Get the supermarket kind, Pure honey.

I would advice not to use honey for joeys that are below 4 months old coz sometimes it can cause diarrhea.

Any supplements, you should give slightly less than a pinch a day. It is really hard to measure a pinch but anything more could be too much for out gliders. A pinch of vitamin and calcium shared by 2 gliders is ok but if 1 glider takes a full pinch, that is too much.

Do take note that Repti Cal and Repti Vite will be expiring in April 2008. The bottle is pretty big so my advice is to share it with 3 people if possible, if not it would be a waste since you won't need so much.

As I know, Repti Vite is still available at Pet Family, Pet Safari do not carry this. Repti Cal is practically sold out in almost every shop. Must wait for next shipment.

Do not be tempted to get Wardley Calcium or Sera Calcium and Vitamin.... they contain too much things a glider don't really need. The calcium is not pure, alot of Vit A is inside and other minerals.

Em i found out this about calcium for sugar glider,
http://www.pawprintonline.com/central-diet-calcium.html

Anyone like me that can't find those thing can have a look.
Calcium for human that i know only milk and cheese is rich but i know can't feed gilder

How bout brand of Vitamin Supplement? Last time i saw Ikiano there got small pet vitamin water or something like that, but no don't have. Is it same thing ?


This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 10 2007, 08:50 PM

You can use the Vitamin drops for small animals. LM Farms or Delikate is good enough.

crazymouse_yyh those vitamin drops is it consider vitamin supplement?
Look like i can't found in Ikiano there. Hmm if yes then really need to look for that.

Just do some reseach for suger glider food, get some mix food idea from web, no easy for me to do, hope Ah Pit like it.

Yes, it is considered as Vitamin supplement.

You would have to research more on the mix for gliders. Try and find one that is well rounded in nutrition.

CONGRAT V4 ~ ok thanks KP ~ nice cage hueuhe..

i found some of them need added calcium supplement,
I just continue find out more nutrition without adding something like that.
mix food actually can store how long is it need to depend what thing i put? Feel is like that
Your glider food mix can store 2 month crazymouse_yyh

Wow!! Sugar Glider owner thread???
my gosh !!! i love Sugar Glider!!!
but .... but.... i dun have one yet...
wait Kikiz get one first

Wow~~ its V4~~ Congrats~~
Crazymouse , there's 1 part missing .**DIET **
U're now working it out, right?

Hmm today got midvalley c anytoy or thing that can give my Ah Pit, long time didn't buy something for her already.

Now i just got some plastic bridge, 2 wood stick and 1 DIY sleeping room for her.

I see the from page that kind pouch look like very nice, is it hard to clean it ??

ahaa .. V4 is a very informative thread ... good good.

@vincent: u mean the sleeping pouch ? campak in mesin basuh jer ..

Oic so easy to clean hehe, hmm better go look around XD.
Hope can get few toys for my Ah Pit XD.

hi
how much poo will a joey produce
my joey doesnt seem to poo much

i saw 2 piece only and dint see any pee either
is it normal ?

actually it depend on the suggie it self i think. i pet 2 suggie, but everyday get different quantity poo. haha... sometimes a lot, sometimes little. it depent on the food we give them also. haha.. correct me if i wrong.
oh ya, meal worm. is the dry meal wrong work? those dry meal worm for fish? i just start to try it out, and they eat, just half of it. the dry meal worm is in small cube size, so is easy to handle, and.. not alive. haha...

just get a pair of suggie for my friends yesterday. haha... (will add up my suggie work) haha....

thanks, i juz got him 2 day ago
feeding mix to it, will try some fruits tonight.
he drink quite alot but dun see any pee yet so quite surprise

*DIET* still compiling. Coming soon! Too many things to add



No worries lah.

It depends on how much they east also.

Unless if you see he is having difficulties to poo or pee, then got problem. If not, it's ok



Ohh, not the dry meal worms in cube. That on is only for fishes and it is not made of mealworm but tiny red worms for fish.

The mealworms are the live ones. Can also be found at the fish shops. Ask for mealworm or "ulat"

Do make sure that the suggies are kept in twos or threes only. Don't put all together especially non-neutered or different sexes one.


KP

why sumtime so active..jump2 aiya..i pn pning..gigit2 lagi...but when time to sleep..mcm mati lols..

Ai.... today what happen on MidValley , like buy 1 free 3 like that, all auntie buy thing and go to car there put stock and go in buy again, all the time stuck in car park there and no parking at all, all ppl just go back car put stock and go in buy and come out put stock.....

Today just go back Ikiano there, i found out vitamin supplement for rep or turtle( is it ok for sugar glider?), calcium for rep is no suitable for suger glider because of got phosphate.
T-T so today nothing to buy for my Ah Pit....

If calcium for human use got vitamin D & magnesium is it ok for sugar glider? My mum having the calcium pallet.

Ikano got no vitamin or calcium supplement suitable for suggies.

Been there, checked all dy.

Calcium for human with magnesium, I'm not sure, have to check with Hun or a vet.


KP

going ikano last sunday...have 4 joey right there, but all booked!! like goreng pisang, damn!! im not luck...

krynzpeaches, can u help me?..

Hmm 1 more thing i found out is Ikiano there got a organic shop that selling Calcium drink that made by oat , also don't know suitable for sugar glider or not.

Maybe need feed some non fat yogurt for my Ah Pit get some calcium. Event dry cat food also got calcium that i see today XD. Ya i know cat food not good XD.

Help how?



Calcium drink? Dunno, but better safe than sorry, so don't lah.

Yeah, you can give your suggies yogurt, try peach or blueberry flavor Mine loves the peach one

You can give them yogurts like twice a week, it's good for them too, but as usual, don't overdo it.

Cat food can cause intestinal blockage and kidney failure in the long run, would you wanna risk that?

I'll be adding that to the 1st page intro later.


KP

Ai i already feed my sugar glider cat food for long time.... need to change for that.

So what i can do to replace the cat food? Egg? Meat ? besides mealworm.

Aiya always forget this 1, i read 1 website say that got 1 food can help sugar glider for calcium that is Tofu, but also can't over do it just limited for the diet.

I less take yogurt, is it outside got sell non-fat yogurt? If yes then will be nice, no need make my Ah Pit become fat fat girl.

Now still searching what nutrial food that can provide calcium and safe for sugar glider.

i have a question. sometimes, when i jog n sweat, n have wasabi inside my shirt, he would lick me. i thought he's thirsty, but when i offer water or even fruits he dun want.. just asking, is it bad for sg to lick on human sweat?

Woo hoo found 1 thing need to share with guys,
http://sandmanssugargliders.com/diet.html
The amout of calcium for what we feed to sugar glider.
Have a look XD. If anything wrong pls tell about it.

Ok I found out Tofu quite not good for glider, will effect sugar glider reproductive systems.

This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 11 2007, 08:07 PM

Yups, KP is doing the diet. I a bit penat with all the typing coz not cut and paste but most my own words. Only 1 or 2 paragraph I cut and paste.

You won't find the pouch at any petshop. It is only found in LYN.

Mine poo damn alot! LOL.... eat fruits and mix, alot of poo poo. Pee like waterfall.

Don't add the 2 new gliders to your current ones, it is not healthy.

That is not dry mealworms That is tubifex, pound worms that eat pond shit..... also there are added preservatives inside meant for preserving it dry and it is ONLY suitable for fish. Who told you to feed tubifex worms? I wouldn't even touch live ones that I have for my fish coz they are quite gross.

Please do not substitute insects with what you can find at petshops and fish shops that are either preserved or processed. Just feed live ones. It is much healthier and safer. You may end up giving gut problems to your glider if you experiment on petshop stuff.

Gliders memang active. I punya pun lompat sini sana. Gigit, you read the 1st page. I dah explain.

The vitamin for reptiles in Ikano are not suitable. Sera or AZOO are not suitable. Only Repti Vite is ok. If you cannot find vitamin powder, get vitamin drops for hamsters.

No, there should not be added magnesium coz our dosage for magnesium is too much for gliders.

Oat drink is ok. But you should check and make sure it has no oil, no soya and is free of sugar and preservatives. I still believe the only milk suitable for gliders is Pets Own pet milk which is Lactose free.

Yogurt is the best source of calcium but never give more than a teaspoon each day. Best is half a teaspoon. Too much can cause diarrhea. Never choose fat free yogurt. Feed Low Fat yogurt or normal yogurt.

Sugar gliders cannot take anything that is made from soya bean. Tofu is made with a solidifying powder that could cause health problems in gliders when taken too much so the best is not giving any.

Our sweat salty mah. Contains alot of minerals. Gliders like to lick up sweat hahha.

That is a good site. That is not the amount of calcium. It shows which food has the highest calcium to phosphorus ratio. We should give foods that are high in calcium and low in phosphorus. Since a lot of fruits are low in calcium, this is why we must give calcium supplements.

so you're saying that licking my sweat is good for sugar gliders?? :3

(yeah, eww, but hey, FREE NOURISHMENTS)

i feed honey dew to my joey today he love it

but when i feed him mix, he will lick it but then it will produce pieces of sand like thingy and fall down from his mouth.

i was quite puzzle with that thingy, why after licking the mix it will produce those thing? when i press on it, it will become the mix back but juz a bit solid without water.

crazymouse_yyh about the rep-cal and rep-vital, what is the brand of that supplement ? It is call aristopet ?
What i can do for that? Is it just for making mix food or can simply add on those food on sugar glider ?

Hamster vitamin drops ( got alot type, got honey, berry, vege ) from delikate, is it those vitamin drops, i look those ingredient quite fat fat. Is ok to let sugar glider having it ?

This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 11 2007, 11:14 PM

Hahaha.... don't do it too often hehehe....

That is spitting out the pulp. All gliders do that.

Yes, it is Aristopet, that is the manufacturer. Name of product is Repti Cal and Repti Vite. Rep Cal and Rel Vital is a different brand and different Manufacturer. It is to add on any food that is to be fed on sugar gliders. If you add in mix, no need on fruits....

What in the world were you looking at? What you mean fat fat? Vitamin drops is in a bottle, liquid, is to be mixed into the drinking water.

Aiya i thought those snack drop that provide vitamin and minerals. I can't found those vitamin drop,
Aristopet also got product that is call repti-vite. Is it same as your repti-vite?
http://www.aristopet.com.au/Library/Downlo...Vite%20INFO.pdf
It is this also can for sugar glider? Maybe i ask for pet shop is it posible to get.

Let's say i have make a mix food from website they list, but they didn't tell that how long that can keep for those mix food, 1 week? or 1 month? Any idea about that ??

This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 11 2007, 11:48 PM

I don't think you read what I stated.... I already said a few times, Repti Vite...... but you still don't get it.

All mixes can be kept for 1 month. Websites do stated that it is a month's supply. You better read carefully, you seem to be missing out, even my statement above also you missed out. Read back my other postings, I also stated Repti Cal and Repti Vite are the only safe supplements to give.

OK i keep seaching for that, anywhere thank you for the info and make me clear about that.


Oh i know i miss out what thing Rel Vital & repti vite, sorry for type wrong word on post 44
Actually is ask for repti-cal & repti-vite.


Repti-cal is for calcium, repti-vite is for vitamin & mineral, so these two thing add in for mix food will be ok. ( Am i right? XD)
Less than 1 pinch for 1 sugar glider.

Hmm about the mix food for 1 month is under froozen or just normal refrigerator that keep soft drink?

Can wait to make a mix food for my Ah Pit.

This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 12 2007, 12:31 AM

If you add the calcium and vitamin everyday, it has to be less than 1 pinch. But what I do is put everything in the mix and freeze. 1 small spoon of calcium and 1 small spoon of vitamin. Use the kfc spoon that you use to eat the mash potatoes.... Teaspoon also can but must be level teaspoon.

You have to keep in freezer, not where you put soft drinks. It is keep in the place where you put ice and meat.

OK, Thank you alot crazymouse_yyh, maybe i try ask the pet shop c can help me get or not, not Ikiano la so far, I live in klang 1 XD.

If the mix food broken or become bad, is it will smilly or anything i know that is already bad food already? I scare later havn't 1 month already become bad food already.

It will smell sour and taste bad....

I see. Maybe make a note for that, if later become smelly my mum wil scold me bla bla bla bla XD.

Hope that pet shop can help me take or what. I have feed my Ah Pit dry cat food for long time, is time help her to change healty food, now Ah Pit got bad habit that every morning also want take 1 dry cat food from me.

After make mix food and need to tell her no more cat food lo



Hmm if get two of them just left the baby food research XD. Really need to go supermarket look around. Oh yea honey also.

This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 12 2007, 12:52 AM

ikano just call me, have i male up for sale..just arrive this morning.....rm350

check if it's too young 1st la-- 1st page.

i think still baby one lorr...worries...

cont my research lah....

Make sure it is not too young. Pet Safari are not always truthful with age. Never be tempted to take really young gliders unless you have done your research on raising underage joeys and know how to keep 1 in an incubator....

Today i just get my repti-cal and repti-vite, i have ask the pet shop is it will restock? They say the stock is new arrive, but the expire day will be 2008 apr and march, but they say after expire day also can use, is it true ???

Later go make some mix food for my Ah Pit.
Oh yea 1 thing that come up with my mind, everytime when we want to take a sponn of mix food, so we take out from the refrigerator, after that we put back after use, but is it nice for the mix food that put in take out from refrigerator everyday?, Those food like meat, fish or what else if doing like that the food will spoil.

If the mix food with egg, is it better that don't use the egg yolk? I feel like don't give will be better.

This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 12 2007, 04:38 PM

Firstly, the stock is old. Any Repti Vite and Repti Cal that expires in 2008 is stock from 2005. I did say the stock would expire in 2008 a few post before. The manufacturer made the product to have a shelf life of 3 years.... after the expiry date, it can only be used for another 5 months, after that cannot be used anymore. The local distributor of Aristopet won't get new stock till the old stock expires. This is normal in business.

The food, you should never defrost it completely. Only take out from the freezer for 30 minutes, scoop out what you need and return back. It will not spoil. I have been doing this and also selling it since October 2006, no complications. If you defrost completely and return back and keep doing this, of course it will spoil.

Hmmm.... how come people always mistaken that the egg yolk is bad? Do you know that all the nutrients and minerals are all in the egg yolk? The egg white is just protein. How would a baby chick survive in the egg if it doesn't have egg yolk? That is common sense that the yolk is nutritious. If the recipe says use whole egg, then use it. DO NOT change the recipe at all. Follow it, if not, you will miss something crucial out of the diet.

Yes, time to change.

Replace with protein. You still haven't answer me why you do not want to feed mealworm. It's a great source of protein.

NO TOFU. It's not good too.

No need non-fat yogurt, take any low fat will do.



That basically tell you the content of Ca/Phophorus ration in food. But it does help you analyze the food you give them

Yeah, tofu no good.



Haha, new owners of suggies will always be mystified by the "pulp"...

It's normal, they'll always produce the pulp



Must change her bad habit then. It'll be difficult at first, but you must be persistant.

I think it's better to substitute honey with something else, maybe natural jam without added sugar or preservative... (Correct not Hun?)



Would you wanna use anything that is expired for yourself???

If you wouldn't, then don't use it for your suggie. It's a simple rule what.

Keep in freezer, the frozen part. If you take out and keep back before it completely melts back, it will not spoil. Same rule with ice-cream.

Egg, put everything lar, even the original recipe they put in with the egg shell! Why do you say the yolk is not good pulak?

Just a suggestion, if so mafan to do, just buy lar.

KP

Ah, yah.... honey is not really good if given too much. I actually prefer fruit jams.... the ones without added sugar and preservatives are quite expensive but make excellent licking treats hahahah.... good fruity sweeteners too for mix.

OK i go make now , XD
Thank for the info about egg yolk.
Ah Pit your special dinner tonight

Ya i readed some mix food is mix with egg shell, for extra calcium, if got calcium supplement then can no need put.



Hehe my mix food done already. Tonight see is it Ah Pit like it or not.

Seem is the first time, i check is it Ah Pit will eat the food or is got anything happen, I will also try change the honey to other things.
Maybe can try juice or jam .

This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 12 2007, 05:55 PM

i just give lollypop apple juice and..sometime apple fruit..still small..bila mau besar ni lols ..~ XD han when her dob ? forget aa? lols

Yeah my mix food start like frozen ice creamy already, don't know later on will be ice stone or not

Nowadays i start play with Ah Pit around 5pm~6pm, let her come out stand and my leg watch around area when i sit on the chair. When coming out is scary, later on will very active anywhere also want to go.

Is it got any limited time to play with sugar glider? Or anytime also can play with them besides midnight ( too active )

he i am back. nope, i didn't mix the new 2 with my old 2. i went to buy it for my friend, not myself one lah. haha... the first day my friend all scream for help cause they can't handle it. (they see mine so active, playful and friendly, thinking when he will get one like mine). but eard from him today that the glider(s) already can be hold by hand, and didn't scare him anymore. haha......

ooo... i give them the fish worm cube, cause my suggie, is super bad taste. they scare the worm which a life, wait the worm to die, then only they will go eat. so not healthy. huh..... so i planing to bake the worm so can keep for long and won't be smelly when they dead. is that ok ah??

Wa can hold by hand so nice
I also can't hold my Ah Pit althought 2 year with her, Hmm need keep touch touch her

Oh yea, Ah Pit have try my mix food, feel like so so, maybe havn't eat something like that before + she just wake up XD, later i go check is it finish already, now is Ah Pit fun time ( My living room there all switch off light and dark dark already.)

haha... you also can make it, vincent!! give all ur best to ur ah pit!
(my fatty also can hold one. but my slimmy sometimes he let me hold, sometimes no...)

Ah Pit totally won't let me hold . Touch her for long time first.
Ah Pit just let me play when inside the sleeping place. ( Do anything u like also can, touch body, hold her hand, anything.)

Ah Pit finish my mix food, but those fruits havn't touch yet, need to check at morning.

I don't know anyone sugar glider is it same as Ah Pit, Ah Pit won't eat something that need to chewing, just like to eat those soft thing, example like when Ah Pit eat orange, she just drink the juice from the orange and didn't eat the meat skin.

Just now i saw the Ah Pit finish the mix food but those small small pieces egg didn't eat, maybe next time make more soft for the egg.

Yeah until morning Ah Pit got finish the mix food and apple, happy ~~

This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 13 2007, 11:13 AM

No limit if your glider is used to it.

The more time spent, the better.



Aieee, don't give them the cube worm(tubifix)... It's not for suggies lah.

If they're not used to live mealworms, you can try plucking off the head and give to them. Sooner or later they will learn to love it

I think baking mealworms are as hard as baking crickets, everything need to be right, or else, it'll get burnt.

If you wanna keep the live ones and don't want them to smell bad, put oatmeal bedding for them. Don't put anything fresh too long, it will spoil and cause the rotten smell too.

Speaking of baking mealworms, I think I have seen a bottled of dried mealworms before near my place, I'll try and check it out if still got, but I dunno if suggies will eat it or not.




Huh??

Don't get what you mean...

How can suggies eat without chewing?

Don't you give her fruits? Apples, pears, mangos and so on? If don't chew, how she eat?


KP

Em ya , last time i have feed 1 mealworm for Ah Pit, that time is feed my young hedgehog, Ah Pit just chew the mealworm until no more juice inside then leave the mealworm skin at there.
Now so happy that Ah Pit enjoy the mix food for the first time, morning just give her eat fruits, after that come out run all the way ....Ah Pit now quite like to come out play play already but hard to stop her for a place let me sayang, she just come out run to somewhere or searching something to play.

All gliders do that lah. They will always produce "pulp" (this has been mentioned in just a few replies back...)

For mealworms and crickets, the excess will also contain the exoskeleton (search wiki, if you dunno what's exoskeleton).

For other foods also they do that, they chew and get off all the nutrition needed, they throw the pulp.


KP

One of the pets I always wanted to have but couldnt. To think of the fact that they usually do their business on their masters is kind of gross but yet again, these are really adorable pets... I never own any but I have held them many times, super loving creatures.

Adorable and high maintenance, haha

We humans are merely slave to them, become toilet, preparing and serving fresh food daily and cleaning up their homes every week

Muahaha


KP

yes we all are suggies slave . hv to prepare their food , become their own personal toilet and clean their cage every week .. no gaji pulak tu. sigh ..

This post has been edited by coldfusionpower: Sep 13 2007, 07:00 PM

No gaji, and gaji habis to them, muahahaha

Ohh, I forgot to ask, anyone here got house gecko(cicak) problem?

My apartment got huge-huge house gecko lah... Last time they stole mealworms(cuz I didn't close the container)... Then another time, I found one huge one, sitting nicely in Iggy's cage!

Huge one, sitting splat at the bottom part of the cage. I chased it and got a bit of his tail off.

This morning(early sahur), there was another huge house gecko on the wall on top of the cage! I think it is the same one as before cuz the tail seems like regenerated back...

Iggy musked a lot till my apartment quite smelly, I think he wanted to protect his cage area...

I chase the gecko and sprayed it with Sheltox(dunno what else to use ), it ran outside this time...

Sighhh, I think the house geckos are stealing foods from Iggy's cage!

Grrr...

Any suggestion how to get rid of them?


KP

krynzpeaches , i suggest u get 1 liquid that is avoid ant coming to your house. My house is using that, ( Maybe is not for ant only, quite strong poison ). U can ask those hardware shop, the liquip is not for spray on cicak or ant, is spray on those window, door bottom there or those area that ant or cicak or anything they will coming in from. So after that no more ant, cicak or insect coming in, who come who die on spot XD. Most of the cockroach will die after next day.

If want to do non poison thing, u can buy those sticker that is catch cockroach or cicak, just simply put tha sticker on floor or any place, put some food on the sticker, when cicak try to eat the food, will stick on the sticker, else your cicak know to fly .
I get quite funny experience on that stiker, last time i don't believe, so i buy 1 try on behind my house there, i just put there and leave it there, then after 1 day, catch some ants and flies there, after 1 day, cockroach also kena, so u can imagine there that stiker alot thing there... yiak.
After 1 more day again, that sticker diappear from my eye there, actually that sticker is stick on burung kakak leg there . but few minutes that burung kakak success run out from that stiker and drop in longkang there....

This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 13 2007, 06:45 PM

i am now feeding my joey the mix and different type of fruits daily.

hand feed the mix during midnight until it refuse to eat anymore, and left the remaining mix in the bowl, usually in the morning will be finish up.

the fruits i will put in the bowl every morning before i went to work.

so is this routine ok ?

Hi KP
Regarding your gecko problem I dont think you should be spraying insecticide inside( I gather it is an aerosol ) as the insecticide particles can remain suspended for quite o period of time. Also if it does affect one of the geckos it will become an easy prey for your SG's & may have severe consequenses for them. Personally I like geck's & love watching them run around the walls & ceilings either chasing insects or other geck's. When the termite season is on some termites ( flying ones ) would find their way in the house & I would flick them to around the tv where there was a geck. It would come out survey the area & eat it than run back to under the tv. Geck's are a god natural insect eater.
Do you mind if I send an email regarding wheels ???.

Vincent
If you still can see bit's of egg in your mix you have not mixed it thoroughly as the mix should be like a paste & not see what ingredients are in it. See the first page for a photo of Huns mix for the consistancy

This post has been edited by Taipan1: Sep 13 2007, 07:52 PM

Thank you Taipan1 for the mix food info, next time i blend more smooth for it.
Hmm really need to "Hamtam" the egg for a long time until smooth

Hahahah.. Lollypop sure happy. Bagi more types of fruits lah. Mine suka Papaya, Jambu Air madu, rock/sun melon. Paling suka is the sun melon. So sweet and crunchy lah.

DOB.... memang I dunno coz I didn't breed her.... big agak agak could be mungkin Middle of May.

I read gliders don't really like dried mealworms. You better stop giving the tubifix worm cube lah. Go get normal mealworms, crush the head then give lah. My gliders don't care dead or alive, all also eat insects and mealworms. Even my 2 month old joey also eat crickets now.

Aiyah, spit out the skin is normal. Sugar gliders are animals that take more of the nutritious juice or liquids, leave the skin..... mealworms the skin is actually not good to swallow so they spit out. Almost all gliders do that. As for fruits, the pulp got no taste, just bland fiber. They take more sugary liquids than the fibers.

Now at least Ah Pit can eat good food.

I got 1 suggestion. Read it somewhere. Make a solution and spray it at areas where geckos are normally at. This is not harmful to pets.

If we spray insecticide or use any chemicals, scared it would affect the gliders. My room is insecticide free, but then I got an air freshener hanging on my air cond, that's about it hahaha.

Make a solution of Cayenne Pepper, with some Tabasco sauce, a squirt of dish washing liquid, garlic essence with a bit of water. Put in a spray and spray on areas you think geckos crawl about. You have to do this a few times.

If you see a gecko, spray it with ice cold water, it would drop down from the wall and ceiling then you just grab it and throw outside lah.

I like geckos, they eat up the flying insects around. I love my leopard geckos hahaha...

Why I would suggest using a non-chemical base repellent is that gliders actually would eat geckos! Serious! I have seen it with my own eyes..... well, not my gliders but someone else's lah.

Yah, the sticky paper can also work.... but I don't quite like hahaha...

Yah, it is ok. I also leave the mix overnight, plus some fruits, normally next morning all gone or just a bit left. That is quite normal.

Hahaha... Yah, I also love geckos.

Yups, the mix should be smooth. No bits and pieces. It has the consistency of milk shake to me. Quite smooth with no lumps.

When i doing the mix food, all thing is soft ( liquid or powder only ) besides the egg, so i smash the egg and use filter push it until soft and throw it blender to blend, but can't blend in to it, next time need to push or smash it until really like a pan cake then only blend.
Hmm about the fruits jam, those organic shop can easy find those fruits jam without adding anything ?

Har? Use filter? Just throw everything into the blender. If your blender cannot make everything smooth, means it is not a good blender.

Organic shops sell fruits jams with added sugar and no added sugar. Get the one with no added sugar.

I see, i try next time see, i thought hard thing won't easy blend XD. Aiya actually i use mixture not blender...... I'm not cocking guy .
I just have a small blender, maybe just blend the egg then throw mixture to mix it.
Hmm need to shoping at organic shop for awhell.

Hehe today Ah Pit still enjoy the mix food for dinner. Thank you alot guys suggestion.

This post has been edited by vincent09: Sep 13 2007, 10:41 PM

No wonderlah.... Get a blender lah. For the sake of your glider LOL.

Hehe hope so, so the mix food that i use mixture is it ok to use? Look like blended ice creamy already besides the white egg like sesame ( small than that).

Vincent,

Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll see about the sticky paper. I've read that once someone used a sticky paper to catch those fruit flies around their suggie cage area, ended up stuck on their suggies tail Such a havoc, took a lot of time to remove it from the tail.



Broken_string,

I think you're doing fine



Yeah, I like gecko's too, but not house gecko's The fancy ones you keep as pets only.

Although they are good natural insect eater, they poo too damn lot around my apt and I don't like it if they start to mess with my suggies food

Yeah, you can PM me or email me about the wheels.



I couldn't think of anything else that time, just grabbed the Sheltox and spray away...

Cayenne Pepper + tabasco + garlic + dishwashing soap? Wouldn't the smell be... Euwww??? Hahaha...

Icy cold water? By the time I open my fridge, grab the water bottle, fill in the spray bottle, I think that would be enough time for the gecko to make an escape But if I manage to, I'll defintiely do it

If I got leopard gecko, sure I'll like it, but house gecko, I still don't like

Thanks people!


KP