This is the dumbest thing I heard all day....

Ever wonder why qualified actuary is in high demand?? That's because only a small number of actuary graduate in Malaysia can complete the professional qualification while there are thousands and thousands of actuary degree holder...

same goes for CFA.... how many in Malaysia can say they have gotten CFA while how many say they have a finance degree??

How many engineer degree grads hold the IR title??

Please use your brain to think sikit.... if professional qualification is easier than degree then everyone would be qualified....

Professional qualifications are basically the top indication of knowledge in their own field.... degrees are just indication of level of academic achieved...

Also... don't use the word "fact" when all you are talking about is nonsense

This post has been edited by holypredator: Jun 7 2021, 12:16 PM

I see few of my friend so sienz stupid can pass ACCA wor.

I thought he only has SPM? Can call himself engineer and open engineering firm?

This post has been edited by Starbucki: Jun 7 2021, 12:07 PM

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open firm as investor jer... all the job can be handled by intern no need for actual engineers with cert and all. so sayang next gen, give them so many opportunities no wonder review on glassdoor 99%

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Envitech-...so3Language=eng

Engineering need mouth and tongue as well. You also need that to survive in tachi meeting. And connection with above rank also important

Project Managemnent? Depending on which sector, if it construction you'll need to know the sequence, labor output, machinery and techniques used to achieve the construction dateline. Same goes to factory, output, machinery failure, you also need to know the spare part of the machinery and standby a technical team for the assembly line. No comment on real estate, as you'll need familiar location, lot of connection and sweet talk.

Perhaps your definition of "practicing" is different from mine.

To me, there are different levels of capabilities. Does a person:

0) not know anything in the field and cannot be taught at all?
1) need to be told what to do, when to do it, and how to do it?
2) need to be told what to do and can figure out how to do it himself?
3) can figure out what needs to be done and how to do it himself?

I can hire a person with your highly acclaimed 4-year engineering degree holder to do (1) or maybe even (2) while he pursue his accounting qualification. But no, he is not practicing accounting, and his remuneration will reflect this. This engineer turned accountant will never be put in charge of my company's books unless he can do (3). Similar to how your bridge project will never be awarded to a qualified engineer, your engineer turned accountant will never be tasked to audit 1MDB.

I can also hire a person with your highly acclaimed 4-year engineering degree to undertake an engineering project. Can he decide which system/machine/method is best for my company? Can he advice me when a system/machine is due for a maintenance/upgrade, or if its better to just change the system/machine altogether? If he just doing (1) or (2), and someone else needs to do the thinking and problem solving behind, I won't call him practicing engineering. My Indon workers can do (1) and (2) too. But they will never be put in charge of my engineering project until they can do (3).

If your argument is an engineer can easily move into accounting, then yes you are right. The barrier of entry into accounting is lower. But if you want to make the big buck, you must be a (3). And an engineer can't do (3) without first becoming an accountant.

In reality, I have not spoken to anyone who switched between these 2 profession and made it to (3). Although I have spoken to level 3 engineers who hoped they did accounting, I have never spoken to a level 3 accountant who hoped he did engineering. I have spoken to even more level 3 consultants, level 3 investment bankers, level 3 software developers etc who did accounting or engineering, and they don't really care about their education background.

Just sharing my experience.

This is an example of a level 3 engineer. Know what needs to be done and how to do it.

Now, can your engineer come and project manage my company's IPO?

That is my argument. .

And yes, from then onwards, it is down to the persons capability and interest to improve themselves.

You wouldn't hire an accounting grad that doesn't know (3) either.

If an engineering grad applied for an accounting job, it must surely mean that they have some interest in doing accounting and as a hiring manager, you should invite them in for interview to be curious as to why an engineer applied to do an accounting job. You would probably be blown away by their answers. Don't take the elitist stance that engineers aren't able to do this job, because they can and are qualified.

Meanwhile, the same can't be said of an accountant trying to get into engineering without an engineering degree. Unfortunately, engineering doesn't work that way because of how engineering courses at University is structured. You really need to be motivated to complete the subjects taught and anybody who tried to apply for a engineer role that didn't go through a 4 year engineering degree is viewed as just a lazy person who was trying their luck.

And that is true also because nobody in their right mind would think that an accounting degree is equal in difficulty to an engineering degree.

That's because the IR title is only valuable to an extremely small subset of engineering field

Most engineering have no need for it, that's why you don't see many engineer has that IR title

I'm not interested in the debate which one is better, just pointing out your point about the IR title

Out of curiousity I have tried doing this and it is a waste of time. Nothing more than a desperate job seeker. Waste of time.

Maybe my company small, but that is my experience.

Is this based on a survey? Is there a journal paper about this ranking that has been published? There must be a source in a conference or a journal that ranks course difficulty.

Putting engineering and accounting ahead of medicine is, after all, a little perplexing. I always thought medicine was the most challenging course because of the long degree duration and the requirement to obtain an MD to specialize in a specific field.

Unlikely he can score many jobs. Anything that needs a certification or signature he needs to outsource to someone. Head too big for his hard hat that fella

Yea... I've definitely been blown away...

Most of them got shit GPA which is easy to infer why they did not pursue engineering and come to finance field instead.....

My colleague hired a few local engineering grad with at least decent GPA and also one with 2nd upper.... biggest mistake of her life because they know nothing about basic finance.... don't even know how to read financial statements and don't even know the basic principals of arbitrage etc.

She said... no diff from hiring SPM holder cause have to teach them from bare basic.... and their attitude to learn is shit cause maybe they think they are "beyond the job" but they know nothing...

That's why later on... the CFO laid down a rule to only hire business management/finance/economics fresh grads.....

This post has been edited by holypredator: Jun 7 2021, 01:16 PM

kesian, sounds like your company is sunset industry lel.

all the top, most exciting firms these days only hire engineers or software engineering grads.

Palantir, a data analytics company at the forefront of pretty much everything only hires engineers who can code.

Tesla, a electric vehicle company at the forefront of EV revolution, hires thousands of engineers to develop their cars.

Amazon, Google, Facebook, & etc. Hires a good mixture of engineers and software dudes.


When the revolution finally lands on Malaysian shores, straight away engineers will be in demand.

Finance is a sunset industry. Nowadays, bots can do the trading. Brokers are all online base.

Accountants, ILPs, mutual funds, savings plans, stoke brokers on the floor at KLSE, bankers, loans officers and more are Boomers liao. Very soon, automation will take over their jobs and lots of finance/accountants will be out of work. lel.

Don't forget, Accountancy is 99% likely to disappear in the next coming years as software & AI can handle this liao. Sucks to be an accounting grad that nobody wants to hire anymore.

Yes, AI is replacing lots of things nowadays. And these AIs need professionals to supervise them.

very very few and far inbetween.

The AI is cutting 1000s of jobs. Nowadays, accounting firms only need to employ 2 maybe 3 people to oversee the backlog and vet that the AI is functioning properly. If got issues, they will just refer to the software engineer or data analyst to figure out what happened. The accountant also needed for official signing purposes only. Their role become like the Agong. Sit at the throne, & shake legs. The rest of hundreds maybe even thousands of staff are no longer required anymore. So honestly, only the cream of the crop & people who are established within the industry will get to keep their jobs.

Everyone else, any new grads, and more will likely be told to go find work elsewhere. Most will likely end up at macdonalds flipping burgers.

Same can be said of finance background people.

Better reconsider doing accountancy or finance course. Those traditional jobs are fast disappearing in this new age of technology and automation robots.

The only future proof jobs in this new tech driven world are the jobs that are developing this AI technology. Which are engineers & IT professionals.

I would still choose to become an engineer over IT because the engineer is usually the one in charge of the entire thing. From conceptual design, building, and even implementation and execution of the technologies involved. Meanwhile, IT grads are like the new age draftsperson. Instead of working on detail drawings, the IT coder is now tasked to work on coding the software and they are explicitly told what to do by the engineer who oversees the entire operation and implementation.

Engineers & Architects will still rule this world. As long as technology is what is driving human civilisation, engineers are the master-minds and the leaders.

Don't believe me? Just go search up the background education of CEO of most top companies. Their background will likely started from engineering expertise.

This post has been edited by Liamness: Jun 7 2021, 02:13 PM

Parents want children to study very noble courses so that got face at the CNY round table.

The fight for sense of superiority already started since Form 4. Anak kamu aliran apa? Sains atau sastera?

I would say if you are good with scientific subjects and maths, do Engineering.

If you are good with art, drawing, conceptual thinking, do Architecture.

In our world, it is architect and engineers who work together to build our world that we live in.

Every building was designed by an architect. Every building was built by an engineer.

These two professions work hand in hand to build our physical world.

Every other profession in the world is just support and function of society.

Doctors and nurses support prolong life and health. Soon to be obsolete, bankers and accountants support counting the numbers that funds the builds of society.



This post has been edited by Liamness: Jun 7 2021, 02:18 PM