Let's not forget those "foreigners" might be after our native aweks and amois competing with our own as well.

You never know.

Got home ground advantage and cant compete with foreigners meh? Malaysians are high up in the asean food chain if you can’t compete locally there are many other nearby places where it’s easier.

How about a PhD in Engineering?

hmm dunno
ayam from anjingliaring
i dunno how i'd do into ACCA instead
and i agree with one poster here
anjingliar also doesnt mean will get gooding job. sometimes you just sucked at job interview so you just end up with some SME instead.
whelp.

Ratio 1:1 still lose to bangla.

Not really, some student are forced to take engineering by their parents rather than self interest. They are good and bright students and manage to pass the courses but lack the passion of working as an engineer once they see the real actual work of an engineer which not far different from cheap labor. In the end they switched field for better comfort & money (I guess). Once I met an insurance agent whose a former engineer in shell. Why he quit? He can't take the daily beating of handling contractors and don't have the heart to everyday scolding people.

You can be anything in this world where your IQ permits be it doctor, engineer, lawyers, accountant, but if you just don't have the heart of passion to do so, you won't last long.

Right, so what if I say engineering is harder? I never studied accountancy..so should I say its easier?
Being photographer is easy right? Everyone can take good picture?

This post has been edited by feekle: Jun 7 2021, 09:30 AM

Insurance agent isn't really a career... they don't get any salary..

Not saying what you've said have no truth in them.... there are people I know who are smart and are exceptional in their field of study but did not pursue their career in that field...

but these people normally able to excel in the new field that they are in.... for instance they don't study the whole business/management/finance/accounting course again to enter the finance field/accounting field.... they just take up the professional course like ACCA/CFA/CPA etc. and just treat their engineering degree as a entry level degree for jobs...

However... most people I've come across... can't even get through the professional qualifications.... some can't even pass a single paper and then gave up but they still stay in the field.... they are clearly not made for the finance field or the engineering field and as you've said... they've gotten their engineering degrees most likely because of parents influence or the thought of it being "prestigious" to have an engineering degree.... but from some shitty ass uni with shitty ass grades... hence basically they are failure in both fields..

What I'm trying to say is.... engineering degree cannot be compared with professional qualification in their respective fields..... hence if you are an engineer... don't expect to come into another field... for example finance analyst... thinking you can grow your career without any qualifications related to finance....

some people thought they got law degree/engineering degree means they don't need to get ACCA to work in accounting field...


seriously.... degree difficulty varies a lot across uni whereas professional qualification is standardized...

This post has been edited by holypredator: Jun 7 2021, 10:39 AM

engineer can do accountant job.

accountant can't do engineer job.

engineering degree is the most versatile degree you can achieve. Can work in engineering, project management, banking, consulting, accounting, real estate. Pretty much anywhere.

accountant can only do accountancy or business related roles je..

getting a degree will always be harder than some paper qualification.

what more getting a 4 year engineering degree.

The fact of the matter is simple, if one is able to accomplish the feat of getting a proper 4 year engineering degree, then any paper qualification especially not related to engineering is easy.

Doing accounting balance sheets is easy to do because you finished a degree that has much more complex mathematics and patterns. It's not even a debate here.. doing an engineering degree is far more valuable than an accounting one.

And it opens up way more doors aswell.

nothing it easy...all requires effort.
But coming from accounting background, I admire those who finished ACCA from CAT...I cant imagine myself giving up half way and end up with nothing....

I think it's Malaysia education issue. Everything is overproduced, not only in ACCA or engineering courses. Kid you not, I have coursemate that enters engineering with CGPA 2.7 from pre-u, and graduated with below 3. Still, working as engineer.

As long as you gotten a washington accord recognised degree, you are pretty safe.

If you gotten IR status from IEM, even better. It's recognised worldwide.

australia for instance recognises malaysian engineers.

https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/About...onal-Affiliates


anyways, if you comparing both accounting and engineering as degrees. Both are still very useful and the best degrees to do if you want to escape from Malaysia.

I know plenty of my friends and family are working overseas now, myself included. Most, if not all of us did an accounting or engineering degree.

That is correct. Some mbbs students did not even perform well in their spm. They ended up joining housemanship as well.

plenty of my friends did engineering courses from overseas university and paid expensive studies.

end up, most of them not working in the field because parent have alot of money and they would rather be a laoban. start food business la, mobile phone shop business, & etc and totally nothing to do with their expensive course that they did.

such a waste if you asked me. But then again, they did the engineering course to flash their status mostly. At end of the day, they go home to a large family owned bungalow and drive godcar merc/bmw and have a hot trophy wife. Most already have children of their own. Throw to gong gong and poh poh to take care of. Whilst they can focus on their "business".


What's there to complain about? Degree is what you make of it.

Accountants cannot praactice engineering. Engineers cannot practice accounting.

And nothing stops an accountant from doing project management, consulting, banking, real estate, i.e., almlost any jobs that engineering degree holders can do except for engineering itself.

why can't practice?

engineer can go do ACCA or some accounting papers.

And like you say, accountant cannot do engineering job. Only can do at most running project management.. Your only option to do engineering is to go back to university and do a 4 year engineering degree.

bottom line is, engineering is way more strict and held in higher regard. And rightly so.. you wouldn't want somebody without a engineering degree designing and approving a bridge where thousands travel on it everyday right? Just like you don't want anybody without a specialist surgeon degree operating on you. When lives are at stake, you always fall back to which school & which degree you completed your studies in.

If a bridge fails, they will investigate and find the engineer who signed off on the designs. That engineer will go to jail.

Meanwhile, did any of the accountants who failed to catch the 1MDB fraud end up in jail? NOPE. Those accountants auditing the 1MDB books from Deloitte, KPMG, and many more ended up being transferred out of the country, to other country. I know this personally first hand because I know relatives and friends who were involved in the auditing. Their bosses never ended up in jail, instead they all got a nice pay raise and transferred to overseas branches of their respective companies.

That in itself is a bloody joke and just shows how seriously we treat financial audits. Not seriously at all..

If this was the standard in engineering practice, there will be catastrophic engineering disasters happening every minute of everyday.. Luckily, engineers are held to high standards.

This post has been edited by Liamness: Jun 7 2021, 11:37 AM

i.e., the engineer still need to also become an accountant to practice accounting.

You need some form of accreditation to practice accounting, duh.

ACCA is not a degree. It's a professional course that anybody can do within 2 years or less. And you can start practice accounting concurrently whilst you complete the course. Meaning, you can apply for accountant jobs and just tell the company that you are completing the certs to qualify as an accountant.

Meanwhile, not everyone can get into an engineering degree. You need to meet the pre-requisites such as completed A level physics, chemistry, add maths, specialist maths.

There's a huge difference.

There is no ACCA equivalent for engineers. If you want to become an engineer, you need to do a 4 year engineering degree. And engineering firms will never hire somebody without a degree in engineering to do an engineer job. Period.

That's not true. ipohmali70 disagrees, intern already can do full fledge engineering jobs