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Is engineering harder than ACCA?

Is Engineering degree harder than ACCA?

Yes	[ 157 ]	[40.15%]
No	[ 46 ]	[11.76%]
Cannot compare, both have their own difficulties.	[ 188 ]	[48.08%]
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holypredator	Jun 6 2021, 12:37 AM Return to original view \| IPv6 \| Post #1
Ketard Gang Senior Member 1,649 posts Joined: Dec 2007	I'm surprise... no one even ask... what kind of engineering degree are we talking about here.. seems like a lot of people don't even know what are they even talking about... Aerospace engineering and electrical engineering are hard... Mechanical engineering... environmental engineering... etc. these are easy as hell degrees.... especially if it is not caltec/standford level.... their final year project is just rehash of shit already exist... farking degree mill jer
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holypredator	Jun 6 2021, 08:55 PM Return to original view \| IPv6 \| Post #2
Ketard Gang Senior Member 1,649 posts Joined: Dec 2007	Comparing degree to professional course is the DUMEBEST thing related to educational comparison that I've heard so far..... The difficulty varies a lot across unis because if you talk about graduating from top engineering schools ... then yea... it is hard as hell but we all know there are many engineering schools give out degrees like paper.... especially those local unis / local private unis that have no name.... professional qualification on the other hand.. is standardize... it is where no one who got the ACCA could say they have gone through the course harder than the other person.... AT LEAST for their generation cause most of the time course structure changes generation to generation (might get harder or easier...)..... What I can confirm is... those who graduate with an engineering degree but did not end up working as an engineering and did not get the IR title means they are useless shit who got rejected by their own field.... a.k.a failures in their field or took the degree cause they thought they are smart but they are not..... think about it.... if they are good at their studies.... they would already be working in their field of study... but I saw lots of "engineering graduates" ... "Law graduates".... working at financial fields as PFC/marketers or even FMCG etc.... I personally know many Engineering grads who wants to switch to accounting field or financial field but cannot pass a single ACCA/CFA/CFP paper.... not surprising though cause if they are good students.. they already be working in their field instead of trying to strive in other fields.... I would place these people only 1 step higher than the hobbies degree people for being able to pass these legit degrees (some effort is made to gain their degrees)... hobbies degree grads are still the losers of all the grads in the world This post has been edited by holypredator: Jun 6 2021, 09:13 PM
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holypredator	Jun 7 2021, 10:36 AM Return to original view \| IPv6 \| Post #3
Ketard Gang Senior Member 1,649 posts Joined: Dec 2007	QUOTE(feekle @ Jun 7 2021, 09:27 AM) Not really, some student are forced to take engineering by their parents rather than self interest. They are good and bright students and manage to pass the courses but lack the passion of working as an engineer once they see the real actual work of an engineer which not far different from cheap labor. In the end they switched field for better comfort & money (I guess). Once I met an insurance agent whose a former engineer in shell. Why he quit? He can't take the daily beating of handling contractors and don't have the heart to everyday scolding people. You can be anything in this world where your IQ permits be it doctor, engineer, lawyers, accountant, but if you just don't have the heart of passion to do so, you won't last long. Insurance agent isn't really a career... they don't get any salary.. Not saying what you've said have no truth in them.... there are people I know who are smart and are exceptional in their field of study but did not pursue their career in that field... but these people normally able to excel in the new field that they are in.... for instance they don't study the whole business/management/finance/accounting course again to enter the finance field/accounting field.... they just take up the professional course like ACCA/CFA/CPA etc. and just treat their engineering degree as a entry level degree for jobs... However... most people I've come across... can't even get through the professional qualifications.... some can't even pass a single paper and then gave up but they still stay in the field.... they are clearly not made for the finance field or the engineering field and as you've said... they've gotten their engineering degrees most likely because of parents influence or the thought of it being "prestigious" to have an engineering degree.... but from some shitty ass uni with shitty ass grades... hence basically they are failure in both fields.. What I'm trying to say is.... engineering degree cannot be compared with professional qualification in their respective fields..... hence if you are an engineer... don't expect to come into another field... for example finance analyst... thinking you can grow your career without any qualifications related to finance.... some people thought they got law degree/engineering degree means they don't need to get ACCA to work in accounting field... seriously.... degree difficulty varies a lot across uni whereas professional qualification is standardized... This post has been edited by holypredator: Jun 7 2021, 10:39 AM
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holypredator	Jun 7 2021, 11:56 AM Return to original view \| IPv6 \| Post #4
Ketard Gang Senior Member 1,649 posts Joined: Dec 2007	QUOTE(Liamness @ Jun 7 2021, 10:52 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « getting a degree will always be harder than some paper qualification. what more getting a 4 year engineering degree. The fact of the matter is simple, if one is able to accomplish the feat of getting a proper 4 year engineering degree, then any paper qualification especially not related to engineering is easy. Doing accounting balance sheets is easy to do because you finished a degree that has much more complex mathematics and patterns. It's not even a debate here.. doing an engineering degree is far more valuable than an accounting one. And it opens up way more doors aswell. This is the dumbest thing I heard all day.... Ever wonder why qualified actuary is in high demand?? That's because only a small number of actuary graduate in Malaysia can complete the professional qualification while there are thousands and thousands of actuary degree holder... same goes for CFA.... how many in Malaysia can say they have gotten CFA while how many say they have a finance degree?? How many engineer degree grads hold the IR title?? Please use your brain to think sikit.... if professional qualification is easier than degree then everyone would be qualified.... Professional qualifications are basically the top indication of knowledge in their own field.... degrees are just indication of level of academic achieved... Also... don't use the word "fact" when all you are talking about is nonsense This post has been edited by holypredator: Jun 7 2021, 12:16 PM
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holypredator	Jun 7 2021, 01:15 PM Return to original view \| IPv6 \| Post #5
Ketard Gang Senior Member 1,649 posts Joined: Dec 2007	QUOTE(Liamness @ Jun 7 2021, 12:51 PM) That is my argument. . And yes, from then onwards, it is down to the persons capability and interest to improve themselves. You wouldn't hire an accounting grad that doesn't know (3) either. If an engineering grad applied for an accounting job, it must surely mean that they have some interest in doing accounting and as a hiring manager, you should invite them in for interview to be curious as to why an engineer applied to do an accounting job. You would probably be blown away by their answers. Don't take the elitist stance that engineers aren't able to do this job, because they can and are qualified. Meanwhile, the same can't be said of an accountant trying to get into engineering without an engineering degree. Unfortunately, engineering doesn't work that way because of how engineering courses at University is structured. You really need to be motivated to complete the subjects taught and anybody who tried to apply for a engineer role that didn't go through a 4 year engineering degree is viewed as just a lazy person who was trying their luck. And that is true also because nobody in their right mind would think that an accounting degree is equal in difficulty to an engineering degree. Yea... I've definitely been blown away... Most of them got shit GPA which is easy to infer why they did not pursue engineering and come to finance field instead..... My colleague hired a few local engineering grad with at least decent GPA and also one with 2nd upper.... biggest mistake of her life because they know nothing about basic finance.... don't even know how to read financial statements and don't even know the basic principals of arbitrage etc. She said... no diff from hiring SPM holder cause have to teach them from bare basic.... and their attitude to learn is shit cause maybe they think they are "beyond the job" but they know nothing... That's why later on... the CFO laid down a rule to only hire business management/finance/economics fresh grads..... This post has been edited by holypredator: Jun 7 2021, 01:16 PM
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holypredator	Jun 7 2021, 02:18 PM Return to original view \| IPv6 \| Post #6
Ketard Gang Senior Member 1,649 posts Joined: Dec 2007	QUOTE(Liamness @ Jun 7 2021, 01:56 PM) kesian, sounds like your company is sunset industry lel. all the top, most exciting firms these days only hire engineers or software engineering grads. Palantir, a data analytics company at the forefront of pretty much everything only hires engineers who can code. Tesla, a electric vehicle company at the forefront of EV revolution, hires thousands of engineers to develop their cars. Amazon, Google, Facebook, & etc. Hires a good mixture of engineers and software dudes. When the revolution finally lands on Malaysian shores, straight away engineers will be in demand. Finance is a sunset industry. Nowadays, bots can do the trading. Brokers are all online base. Accountants, ILPs, mutual funds, savings plans, stoke brokers on the floor at KLSE, bankers, loans officers and more are Boomers liao. Very soon, automation will take over their jobs and lots of finance/accountants will be out of work. lel. Don't forget, Accountancy is 99% likely to disappear in the next coming years as software & AI can handle this liao. Sucks to be an accounting grad that nobody wants to hire anymore. Whether sunset ke sunrise ke.... what I'm trying to say is each field of study is valuable to their own field of work... Not sure how to get this through your head but engineering has many field of studies.... you sound like you only know engineering = engineering.... you do know there are aerospace engineer, environmental engineer, architectural engineer, chemical engineer etc. right?? Also... are you confusing computer programmer to engineers?? Try calling a master in chemical engineer code shit for you... I can guarantee that person would give you the middle finger... This post has been edited by holypredator: Jun 7 2021, 02:18 PM
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holypredator	Jun 7 2021, 02:42 PM Return to original view \| IPv6 \| Post #7
Ketard Gang Senior Member 1,649 posts Joined: Dec 2007	QUOTE(Liamness @ Jun 7 2021, 02:27 PM) you do realise that computer engineering courses exists right?? And no, you don't even realise that a chemical engineer actually knows how to code.. lol. Their subjects taught at uni already have python and C++ la. Sau pei la. Do you actually think engineers dunno how to code ah? lol. Electrical engineer also know la. Why do you think Google, Amazon or Facebook hire engineers?? They are IT focus company what... Why then do they hire electrical, mechanical, chemical, instrumentation control engineers in the thousands? And no, you must know what field you study is valuable to the world. Otherwise, you will become obsolete and quickly find out that your profession is no longer needed in this fast pace, tech & IT driven world. My argument is that not all degrees were created equal. There are more superior and better degrees to do. Engineering is one of, if not the top choice to do. No matter whether you choose to practice engineering in your working life or not. It's still a very wise decision to do it as I've shown that even in this IT driven world, engineers are at the forefront of the development of society. And they always have, & always will be in demand. Sadly, I can't say the same about accountants or finance, and there are many articles alluding to the demise of accountancy as a profession in the coming years as AI and automation is quickly taking over their jobs. As an engineer, I can tell you how often I have to use software in my profession. And the answer is very minimal. Alot of things are still decided by me. Meanwhile, your finance loan officer no longer is in control of any decision. It's all done by software and back of end. They end up becoming paper pushers. Seems like you know jack shit and trying to double down... pathetic
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