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Is Engineering degree harder than ACCA?
 
Yes [ 157 ] ** [40.15%]
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Cannot compare, both have their own difficulties. [ 188 ] ** [48.08%]
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post Jun 6 2021, 12:01 AM

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I would say engineering being an engineer. But i've never taken an ACCA paper nor do i know engineers who took one, so its presumptuous to say engineering is tougher than ACCA. Besides i think most ppl take ACCA part time while juggling a 9-5 job.

Dont compare, do what you like. Goes without saying you smarter you got more options
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post Jun 6 2021, 12:01 AM

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post Jun 6 2021, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Jun 6 2021, 12:04 AM)
I did a Bachelors in Accounting & Finance (finished top 1%), now just finished one of the professional accounting exams (not naming here because I'm easily doxxed).
I even won an award for one of their papers. Am working in Big 4 now. I usually score in top 5 percentile for most exams I take.

I'd say that ICAEW is much more difficult than ACCA.
I know someone who is taking ACCA now after failing several ICAEW papers.
I would say that ACCA is only tough because many Tom, Dick and Harry enroll in it for the money.

Engineering math is much tougher than normal math.
I took Further Math during A-level but mechanics was too difficult for me to comprehend.
Dropped it in the end.

Meanwhile, I picked up Accountancy during A-level with ease despite coming from pure science background.
Still managed to win 2 awards from Cambridge.
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This

To this day, I have nightmares of having to go for my Eng Maths exam tomorrow and knowing nothing

Or any of my EM Theory Exams

The scars it gave me makes me still remember some of the equations, constants and laws.

Still i give ACCA students their props. My wifes got her ACCA. She does shit in her field that I would struggle too
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post Jun 6 2021, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Jun 5 2021, 11:44 PM)
Because engineering in Malaysia isn’t really engineering. More like tech support and sales and project mgmt.
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Engineering is kinda like the Nights Watch from GoT, a thankless job most of the time.

You want fame. glory. riches, bitches, get something else. Odds are you do something great no one knows or cares. You make ppl's life easier but they wont know you're there.

Of course some fields does bring in the money but these days with the proliferation of grads its becoming the outlier.
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post Jun 6 2021, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jun 6 2021, 12:26 AM)
I wasted my 20s studying engineering, thought it paid off when I managed to graduate with Dean Commendation List from a top major Australian university which placed me in better position than even Yeo Bee Yin back then.

Came back to Malaysia to find a job closer to my parents and my first starting salary was just slightly above RM3k? doh.gif 

Competition is intense and STEM demand in Malaysia is low.
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I got First Class but it was a local U.

I attended Management Trainee interviews for a few PLCs and GLCs but didnt cut it, settled for a job that paid 1,700 in 2000. It was stiff back then even with a limited pool. I can only imagine now

But hey you got offered more than 3K thats nearly twice mine hahah

QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jun 6 2021, 12:30 AM)
Actually all the struggles and hardship learning those calculations they're rarely utilized in the real working world.

Even my senior colleagues who are brilliant staff engineers in the Silicon Valley admitted that what you learned in school rarely gets utilized on the job.
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Actually i think what you learn, the tough stuff do serve a purpose. Its to weed out students without the aptitude for engineering from taking up or graduating from it. Harsh but look where we are now. Too few jobs for too many engineers

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post Jun 6 2021, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Jun 6 2021, 12:37 AM)
I'm surprise... no one even ask... what kind of engineering degree are we talking about here..
seems like a lot of people don't even know what are they even talking about...
Aerospace engineering and electrical engineering are hard...

Mechanical engineering... environmental engineering... etc. these are easy as hell degrees.... especially if it is not caltec/standford level.... their final year project is just rehash of shit already exist... farking degree mill jer
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Im kinda surprised with some of the name of the subjects dropped here and there you couldn't figure out what the degrees were. Man of your talents
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post Jun 6 2021, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Darkripper @ Jun 6 2021, 09:43 AM)
PEPC is funny in a sense that you're testing back the most fundamental stuff that people no longer practice (At least for civil, where the team touches on hydraulic, structural, geotechnical, traffic, etc), since they've specialized into a few core area.

The fundamental exam should be open right after degree, not after you get your PE.

Furthermore, there is no crackdown on people abusing the "engineer" title. I've seen people with no qualification doing the exact design job as those with a recognized degree.

Yet BEM thinks that having a more tiered system will improve the industry.
There are a gazillion shit that is wrong with engineering in Malaysia, yet the governing board just minum kopi and fight with IEM once in a while  biggrin.gif
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When did BEM go for a tiered system for PEs? Past few years?

I'm on the fence about IRs. If designated by legislation yeah get it. If an engineer thinks it can boost their career, take it. Shouldn't be forced. I see BEM trying to use legislation to increase membership. Not my cup of tea. Plenty of problems young engineers face in Malaysia, one being employability. Solve that first
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post Jun 6 2021, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(DuFfz @ Jun 6 2021, 09:53 AM)
Exactly! better test the competency of graduates upon graduation, bet most can straight away qualified for Ir minus the experiences which I think is possible judging on how some university lecturers who manage to get Ir title without having practical experiences lol.

BEM is always sleeping when it comes to abuse of engineer title. Seriously even the biggest MNC so called engineers did not registered for BEM & some with management degree given the operation engineer title. lol.

BEM only interested collecting fees.
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Yes black sheep IRs are plenty. Not saying all IRs are bad but probably these jokers took the title for validation and resume padding. My previous company had a project director who's an IR. He already had a rep as a guy whos on the take. Guess what, he joined and proceeded to demand money from subcons and suppliers. Kantoi in less than a year.

Another one was an owner of an engineering firm and talks a good game. Farker always pays his staff late but drives an X5. Sure got good but also bad farks that gives us all a bad name
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post Jun 6 2021, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(Murasaki322 @ Jun 6 2021, 12:34 PM)
Sure we've got Washington Accord and all that but at an international level, how well is "Ir" or "PEPC" recognised
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This. Everyone would see where and what you work as along with any professional certs first. That's the fact. A guy in an MNC being paid big bucks will grab my attention more than an IR off the streets. There was once a thread where someone said that non Irs shouldn't be called engineers. I call BS. If say Petronas or Shell calls him an engineer and a subject matter expert, I'll call him the same.

BEM should fit with the times. Not give more hurdles to fresh engineers

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post Jun 6 2021, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Jun 6 2021, 01:06 PM)
How he kantoi? Kena goldfingered by subcons snd suppliers? Internal investigations? Got MACC case ka?
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When subcons and suppliers are provided the whistle-blower email and number during their induction... You really asking for trouble right asking for money. Especially when new staff also are told the same during their orientation

End of the day got ask to resign. No police report

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post Jun 7 2021, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Jun 7 2021, 12:06 PM)
I thought he only has SPM? Can call himself engineer and open engineering firm?
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Unlikely he can score many jobs. Anything that needs a certification or signature he needs to outsource to someone. Head too big for his hard hat that fella
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post Jun 7 2021, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(iSean @ Jun 7 2021, 04:27 PM)
blink.gif  I think you jump into wrong rabbit hole.
In Malaysia, most university got Basic and Advanced Level for Electromagnetic Theory.
You do not need to jump into really deep into triple integrals.

Also even I went for Huawei MY, I don't see anyone talk about playing with "Triple Integral Electromagnetic Theory" Maxwell's Equation, and other bullshit.

Also Convolutional Neural Networks, its more towards "application based" compared to design those from scratch.
You want to learn design of CNNs you better go take Computer Science or Software Engineering and a Degree in Mathematics  rclxub.gif
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I would think the practical uses of the subjects you mentioned are pretty minimal unless you're in academia

But it does serve to weed out weaker students that are not engineering inclined. Deterring more ppl who are not inclined to take it up would mean less grads competing for the same pool of jobs

Beside it must have prepared you for Huawei

Pretty sure you if you made it pass those subjects and more you wouldnt have a problem going thru the latest 3G PP release documentation, understanding the call flow, KPIs to monitor for troubleshooting or optimisation or signalling structure for network interworking. Consider them an entrance test of the long road ahead haha

PS you still have exams there?

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post Jun 7 2021, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(ComingBackSoon @ Jun 7 2021, 09:50 PM)
Ya lo. And who will be the one who decide how to configure the AI for financial reporting?

According to Liamness, it is the engineer who studied 4 years in uni. Engineers are the master race.  rclxms.gif

All hail Liamness the holy saviour.
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Man Liamness dont speak for all of us

And i seriously hope he's really an engineer and not some troll googling cos he sure love to pick fights haha
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post Jun 7 2021, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(hellothere131495 @ Jun 7 2021, 10:32 PM)
Yes C++ was taught in my uni for Electronics major students. This was 20+ years ago, back when MMU was actually Universiti Telekom

PS out of curiosity, whats your current status? Still studying and having second thoughts? Or just grad and not sure what to do?

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post Jun 8 2021, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jun 8 2021, 12:12 AM)
bro, alot of the courses already updated to teach python too.

Those new engineers are coming out with updated programming knowledge.

anyways, programming is clearly part of an engineer course and very fundamental too. I can't imagine any course not having teach basic programming or coding in this day and age.  tongue.gif

It's a fundamental skill! Pity those finance grads who don't know how to code haha..
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Man there you go again....be civil dude. You gonna bring down a shit storm soon haha

 

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