Yes black sheep IRs are plenty. Not saying all IRs are bad but probably these jokers took the title for validation and resume padding. My previous company had a project director who's an IR. He already had a rep as a guy whos on the take. Guess what, he joined and proceeded to demand money from subcons and suppliers. Kantoi in less than a year.

Another one was an owner of an engineering firm and talks a good game. Farker always pays his staff late but drives an X5. Sure got good but also bad farks that gives us all a bad name

No offense but you sound like strawberry gang. In that case, do not even consider engineering. And to be honest, maybe accounting isn't suitable either. Consider other options? Like business degrees or even mass comm, those more about lifestyle, college experience and all.

You wanna be successful? Bet on a field that you are willing to put most of your effort/sacrifice in.

This post has been edited by zilch28: Jun 6 2021, 12:36 PM

Engineering is more difficult than accounts and finance, in terms of core technical knowledge. In real world application, in Malaysia, ACCA is harder because of all the fraudulent account books that needs "creative accounting" to solve and audit. But internationally, engineering is still tougher.

Engineering in Malaysia? Not even real engineering. Majority "engineering" jobs are salesman, project facilitator, site supervisor, technician or paperwork documenter. Like many have mentioned, BEM stuff, Ir, PEPC or what fancy titles given are to simply justify BEM's existence. Sure we've got Washington Accord and all that but at an international level, how well is "Ir" or "PEPC" recognised, if the holder is some work inspector, salesman, maintenance man, project coordinator, construction site foreign worker handler, paperwork technician etc. In Malaysia, it's all glamour and high society because the Ir and PEPC holder has an edge to deal with authorities to approve flimsy projects.

ACCA is recognized internationally. Just that in Malaysia it is over supplied with subpar graduates passing at the bare minimum and shamelessly put it up to beautify a resume.

This post has been edited by Murasaki322: Jun 6 2021, 12:38 PM

This. Everyone would see where and what you work as along with any professional certs first. That's the fact. A guy in an MNC being paid big bucks will grab my attention more than an IR off the streets. There was once a thread where someone said that non Irs shouldn't be called engineers. I call BS. If say Petronas or Shell calls him an engineer and a subject matter expert, I'll call him the same.

BEM should fit with the times. Not give more hurdles to fresh engineers

This post has been edited by 9m2w: Jun 6 2021, 12:44 PM

Actually, Ir is only valuable if you're in the construction industry, as all drawing need to have PEPC endorsement before you can submit to authority or construct on site.

PE title is integral in how the construction industry work since all responsibility is put on that PE for his/her endorsement. There is not much benefits of Ir other than that.

U can take a look at the recent Ts title from MBOT.

So much title for little benefits =x

The issue is BEM is reluctant to even provide a pathway for subject matter expert to register with them. They are a relic from the past.

Thik about all eletronics expert in Malaysia? Does BEM even have a thing for them? nahh.

FYI, Ir is well recognized internationally, you can convert that membership (still need to go through interview, but no need to submit technical report etc) to other professional body.

This post has been edited by hellothere131495: Jun 6 2021, 02:30 PM

How he kantoi? Kena goldfingered by subcons snd suppliers? Internal investigations? Got MACC case ka?

When subcons and suppliers are provided the whistle-blower email and number during their induction... You really asking for trouble right asking for money. Especially when new staff also are told the same during their orientation

End of the day got ask to resign. No police report

This post has been edited by 9m2w: Jun 6 2021, 01:27 PM

U are missing the point which is engineering harder than acca. Not about work or making money.

Which of the civil, electrical and electronic, chemical, and mechanical engineering disciplines is the most difficult? Because of the math and physics involved, I believe electrical engineering is the most difficult. For example, in electromagnetic fields theory, the double and triple integrals used to understand the behavior of charged particles, which cannot be seen with the naked eye, truly required good imagination and logical thinking. Artificial intelligence algorithms, such as deep neural networks used in digital image processing and analysis, necessitate a strong mathematical foundation to comprehend machine learning and deep learning techniques.

Consider convolution neural networks. Understanding how the neural network can learn the features of handwritten numbers independently already requires a significant amount of brain energy. We haven't discussed how to create a novel convolution neural network architecture capable of automatically detecting cancer cells in medical images. The mere mention of artificial intelligence puts many people off (not for interested people).

That is only introduction to one or two topics in one engineering field…

Fancy reply, but sorry..i dont think it is practiced in malaysia.

You know what is harder? Making money.

Yeah. Still missing the point of discussion. Which is which is harder between those two.

Kau cakap camne pun akauntan nak rasa pandai, kasi diorang can je la. Kat Malaysia engineer banyak kuli je unless kau ada Ir. Engineer sini glorified technician scheduler je.

Ratio of females to males according to Malaysian statistics is 100 female to 106 male.
That's like a ratio of 1.00 : 1.06.

No reason for guys to be single?



https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5151265

I'm talking about Big 4 demographics.
Ratio of female to male is around 1.5:1.

If you from engineering, the ratio of female to male is like 0.2:1.
Good luck finding a gf

I had a friend who did engineering. He said his whole lecture hall only got <10 girls.

This post has been edited by Yggdrasil: Jun 6 2021, 08:50 PM

Comparing degree to professional course is the DUMEBEST thing related to educational comparison that I've heard so far.....

The difficulty varies a lot across unis because if you talk about graduating from top engineering schools ... then yea... it is hard as hell but we all know there are many engineering schools give out degrees like paper.... especially those local unis / local private unis that have no name....

professional qualification on the other hand.. is standardize... it is where no one who got the ACCA could say they have gone through the course harder than the other person.... AT LEAST for their generation cause most of the time course structure changes generation to generation (might get harder or easier...).....

What I can confirm is... those who graduate with an engineering degree but did not end up working as an engineering and did not get the IR title means they are useless shit who got rejected by their own field.... a.k.a failures in their field or took the degree cause they thought they are smart but they are not..... think about it.... if they are good at their studies.... they would already be working in their field of study... but I saw lots of "engineering graduates" ... "Law graduates".... working at financial fields as PFC/marketers or even FMCG etc....

I personally know many Engineering grads who wants to switch to accounting field or financial field but cannot pass a single ACCA/CFA/CFP paper.... not surprising though cause if they are good students.. they already be working in their field instead of trying to strive in other fields....

I would place these people only 1 step higher than the hobbies degree people for being able to pass these legit degrees (some effort is made to gain their degrees)... hobbies degree grads are still the losers of all the grads in the world

This post has been edited by holypredator: Jun 6 2021, 09:13 PM

Went past my studies days.

When this pandemic ends, globalization will see a reversal after this. You can see the anti-asian movement now in Western countries such as US.

This is Malaysia and of course we speak of the gender breakdown in our own country.

Interestingly enough that 32.75 million includes almost three million foreigners. I wager that the vast majority of those foreigners are male. If you restrict to native born Malaysians i think you’ll find the ratio close to 1:1.