Then anjingliar Vs accountant who earn more on average . Y I always see njingliar machem complain bout celery but not accountant

Engineering is more difficult than accounts and finance, in terms of core technical knowledge. In real world application, in Malaysia, ACCA is harder because of all the fraudulent account books that needs "creative accounting" to solve and audit. But internationally, engineering is still tougher.

Engineering in Malaysia? Not even real engineering. Majority "engineering" jobs are salesman, project facilitator, site supervisor, technician or paperwork documenter. Like many have mentioned, BEM stuff, Ir, PEPC or what fancy titles given are to simply justify BEM's existence. Sure we've got Washington Accord and all that but at an international level, how well is "Ir" or "PEPC" recognised, if the holder is some work inspector, salesman, maintenance man, project coordinator, construction site foreign worker handler, paperwork technician etc. In Malaysia, it's all glamour and high society because the Ir and PEPC holder has an edge to deal with authorities to approve flimsy projects.

ACCA is recognized internationally. Just that in Malaysia it is over supplied with subpar graduates passing at the bare minimum and shamelessly put it up to beautify a resume.

Not really, some student are forced to take engineering by their parents rather than self interest. They are good and bright students and manage to pass the courses but lack the passion of working as an engineer once they see the real actual work of an engineer which not far different from cheap labor. In the end they switched field for better comfort & money (I guess). Once I met an insurance agent whose a former engineer in shell. Why he quit? He can't take the daily beating of handling contractors and don't have the heart to everyday scolding people.

You can be anything in this world where your IQ permits be it doctor, engineer, lawyers, accountant, but if you just don't have the heart of passion to do so, you won't last long.

Accountants cannot praactice engineering. Engineers cannot practice accounting.

And nothing stops an accountant from doing project management, consulting, banking, real estate, i.e., almlost any jobs that engineering degree holders can do except for engineering itself.

i.e., the engineer still need to also become an accountant to practice accounting.

Perhaps your definition of "practicing" is different from mine.

To me, there are different levels of capabilities. Does a person:

0) not know anything in the field and cannot be taught at all?
1) need to be told what to do, when to do it, and how to do it?
2) need to be told what to do and can figure out how to do it himself?
3) can figure out what needs to be done and how to do it himself?

I can hire a person with your highly acclaimed 4-year engineering degree holder to do (1) or maybe even (2) while he pursue his accounting qualification. But no, he is not practicing accounting, and his remuneration will reflect this. This engineer turned accountant will never be put in charge of my company's books unless he can do (3). Similar to how your bridge project will never be awarded to a qualified engineer, your engineer turned accountant will never be tasked to audit 1MDB.

I can also hire a person with your highly acclaimed 4-year engineering degree to undertake an engineering project. Can he decide which system/machine/method is best for my company? Can he advice me when a system/machine is due for a maintenance/upgrade, or if its better to just change the system/machine altogether? If he just doing (1) or (2), and someone else needs to do the thinking and problem solving behind, I won't call him practicing engineering. My Indon workers can do (1) and (2) too. But they will never be put in charge of my engineering project until they can do (3).

If your argument is an engineer can easily move into accounting, then yes you are right. The barrier of entry into accounting is lower. But if you want to make the big buck, you must be a (3). And an engineer can't do (3) without first becoming an accountant.

In reality, I have not spoken to anyone who switched between these 2 profession and made it to (3). Although I have spoken to level 3 engineers who hoped they did accounting, I have never spoken to a level 3 accountant who hoped he did engineering. I have spoken to even more level 3 consultants, level 3 investment bankers, level 3 software developers etc who did accounting or engineering, and they don't really care about their education background.

Just sharing my experience.

Yea... I've definitely been blown away...

Most of them got shit GPA which is easy to infer why they did not pursue engineering and come to finance field instead.....

My colleague hired a few local engineering grad with at least decent GPA and also one with 2nd upper.... biggest mistake of her life because they know nothing about basic finance.... don't even know how to read financial statements and don't even know the basic principals of arbitrage etc.

She said... no diff from hiring SPM holder cause have to teach them from bare basic.... and their attitude to learn is shit cause maybe they think they are "beyond the job" but they know nothing...

That's why later on... the CFO laid down a rule to only hire business management/finance/economics fresh grads.....

Yes, AI is replacing lots of things nowadays. And these AIs need professionals to supervise them.

Parents want children to study very noble courses so that got face at the CNY round table.

The fight for sense of superiority already started since Form 4. Anak kamu aliran apa? Sains atau sastera?

Whether sunset ke sunrise ke.... what I'm trying to say is each field of study is valuable to their own field of work...

Not sure how to get this through your head but engineering has many field of studies.... you sound like you only know engineering = engineering.... you do know there are aerospace engineer, environmental engineer, architectural engineer, chemical engineer etc. right??

Also... are you confusing computer programmer to engineers?? Try calling a master in chemical engineer code shit for you... I can guarantee that person would give you the middle finger...

Even ourselves want to get praised for able to secure a spot in one of the above profession. That's how Malaysian society is shaped sadly.

Very few has the passion in writing novels, movie, etc. Right from young, parents tell you that your life will be doomed if you dont do science. That's Malaysia has no master piece like Harry Potter, life of pie.. etc all we have is project jalan Raya and corruption practices by the approving authority.

From your statement that an accountant is only needed for official signing purpose, we can conclude that your understanding of the accounting profession is indeed very basic. Either the scale of the company that you have seen is small, or you come from the future. As of now, no accounting firms can employ 2-3 people to audit a proper company.

A modern accountant's role is not limited to bookkeeping. Automation can only takeover part of an accountant's tasks. In fact, automation is welcomed because it eliminated human errors and freed up a modern accountant's time to perform other tasks.

As of today, bots cannot:

1) Determine the optimum capital structure of a company
2) Determine the optimum group structure of a company
3) Determine the optimum deal structure in an M&A / JV etc
4) Launch cost saving initiatives for the group (tax savings, logistics etc)
5) Help my negotiate with external parties

Bots simply do not have the business acumen to replace me as of today.

But its ok. We can see that all thes facts do not matter to you because you are here to seek validation that you are intellectually superior as a human because you are an engineer. We can feed your ego. Technology is indeed truly what changes the way we live. If you are the chief engineer at Tesla, Google, or even SEA tech companies like Grab, hats off to you. 

All hail Liamness the holy saviour of humanity. He who passed a 4-year engineering degree.

To be clear, AI is not synonymous with bots.

Numerous individuals use the terms interchangeably. However, the true distinction between AI and automated systems is as follows:

AI is capable of learning in the same way that humans do. We do not program them to perform a particular task. Rather than that, we program them to learn things. As a result, they are capable of self-learning and performing a specific task independently. This is especially true for algorithms based on deep learning. For example, if we feed the AI 1000 images of cancer cells, he can learn the features of cancer cells and determine whether or not a new image he has never seen before contains cancer cells. The remarkable thing is that you can train him using images of other objects (not just cancer cells) to accumulate knowledge and become more intelligent over time.

Bots are intelligent computer programs that can perform tasks autonomously without human intervention. However, this does not mean artificial intelligence, as bots cannot learn from experience or mistakes. Nonetheless, certain AI algorithms can be used to develop bots.

Seems like you know jack shit and trying to double down... pathetic

Ppl say AI can do 1-5 leh. Maybe he come from 100 years in the future. Hahahah.

The general consensus is AI and automation can takeover the bulk of the work in financial reporting and auditing that nobody likes to do to begin with. There are a few areas of financial reporting and auditing that AI can never takeover.

If the day comes that AI is really that smart, then AI can takeover engineers job too.

I'm pretty sure traditional engineering course (civil, chemical, mechanical) doesn't teach C++.
Btw, those who think that AI will replace accountant/doctor/lawyer is so naive, they will work alongside them. A software system is pretty damn fragile, you think that it can handle everything so smoothly? Just look at driverless tech, how many years of hype already?

And yet you are here...Why bother to go as far as Singapore instead of we have some example for the Malaysia part. LOL.

Since I'm so free now let me entertain you and show you the 1st page of my Google Results.

I didn't cherry pick the articles. All are from my first page of Google Search. I dunno about you, but this does not look "unequivocal and resounding yes" to me. Unless your engineer degree have taught you a different meaning for what "unequivocal and resounding" mean.

https://medium.com/human-unity/will-account...rs-2be8cf966fab
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/education/2...ace-accountants
https://www.toolbox.com/tech/artificial-int...-in-the-future/
https://www.accountingtoday.com/opinion/let...ace-accountants
https://floqast.com/blog/will-robots-take-o...g-is-automated/
https://www.quora.com/Will-accountants-be-r...e-next-20-years
https://www.thesundaily.my/business/will-ar...tants-BE4556056
https://www.itp.net/news/94006-can-ai-and-a...ace-accountants

Book keepers yes, accountants, yes and no.

The work that im doing today as an accountant i dont really see how AI will takeover anytime soon. We are really far from that. Not impossible though.