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Frozen_Sun
post Jun 5 2021, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 5 2021, 11:10 PM)
jokowi stopped SBY's MEF and restarted with it the same renstra system, then he gets the praise.

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post Jun 6 2021, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 4 2021, 05:27 PM)
You could get it. If you give up on your Sukhoi & chinese missiles.

It's a jet that couldn't shoot. But good enough as a awac & Sigint replacement. But it also couldn't be upgraded. You sure you wanna blow your money on it?
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F-35 only for close ally that support everything that US does. MY not qualified. Not even India is allowed to buy F-35. Turkey under Erdogan is losing the ally status and might not get to buy it.
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post Jun 6 2021, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 4 2021, 05:27 PM)

It's a jet that couldn't shoot. But good enough as a awac & Sigint replacement. But it also couldn't be upgraded. You sure you wanna blow your money on it?
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don't buy into anti-F35 hype bruh

5th gen aircraft and 5th gen weapons systems are a step change from Sukhoi-30s + R-77s about as much as F-15C + Amraams were a step up from F-4 + Sparrow
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post Jun 6 2021, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(razhar @ Jun 5 2021, 11:39 PM)
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Besi buruk kepala bana
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memang besi buruk pun

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post Jun 6 2021, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(sukhoi35mk @ Jun 5 2021, 01:33 PM)
SG paid abt USD115mil or SGD150 mil back in 2020 for their F-35Bs.....  We cannot afford those cost la.... We paid our Mig and Su via palm oil also which I don't think any EU or America will accept it....  If we die die wanna to barter trade  palm oil for jets... Maybe Russia or China might keen
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Russia might be problematic now because of sanctions and MH17. Also, we got Sukhoi in late 90s and early 200s because Soviet Union just collapsed and they need weapon sales desperately. Oil palm pun oil palm lah. However, I heard Russian after-sales service also are really bad unlike Boeing Hornet

China? The nation that send their military ships and airplanes into our area in a threatening manner? Better dont lah
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QUOTE(tokroni @ Jun 6 2021, 12:52 AM)
Russia might be problematic now because of sanctions and MH17. Also, we got Sukhoi in late 90s and early 200s because Soviet Union just collapsed and they need weapon sales  desperately. Oil palm pun oil palm lah. However, I heard Russian after-sales service also  are really bad unlike Boeing Hornet

China? The nation that send their military ships and airplanes into our area in a threatening manner? Better dont lah
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Russia after sales memang teruk
pasal apa pasal monopoly by the government
hanya ada satu agency sahaja yang akan deal dengan parts for all russian made weapons
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post Jun 6 2021, 07:36 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 6 2021, 12:14 AM)
memang besi buruk pun
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RMAF is really in need to replace those Migs.
Better split the 36 units LCA aquisition plan into 18 units of LCA and 18 units of Mig replacement. Gripen or Rafale is my first 2 choice.

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post Jun 6 2021, 07:57 AM

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post Jun 6 2021, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Jun 6 2021, 07:36 AM)
RMAF is really in need to replace those Migs.
Better split the 36 units LCA aquisition plan into 18 units of LCA and 18 units of Mig replacement. Gripen or Rafale is my first 2 choice.
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Lca is useless

China send j20 will make laughing stock of our light attack aircraft

Yes gripen is better because cost efficient

And it has meteor missile just as good as aim 120


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post Jun 6 2021, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 6 2021, 03:00 AM)
Russia after sales memang teruk
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hanya ada satu agency sahaja yang akan deal dengan parts for all russian made weapons
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How come mig 29 got spare part issue

But sukhoi 30 is OK?
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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Jun 6 2021, 07:36 AM)
RMAF is really in need to replace those Migs.
Better split the 36 units LCA aquisition plan into 18 units of LCA and 18 units of Mig replacement. Gripen or Rafale is my first 2 choice.
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LCA is another set of program that is going to replace the Hawk and MB339 as it is seen as more dire then the MIG replacement.


QUOTE(Maria Takagi @ Jun 6 2021, 08:33 AM)
How come mig 29 got spare part issue

But sukhoi 30 is OK?
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MIG is not spares issue but rather the issue of need to restrengthening and change the air-frame of the aircraft which BER then buying a new modern fleet of MMRCA.

MIG is still a soviet era tech that uses life frame rather then flying hours to aged

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post Jun 6 2021, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(Maria Takagi @ Jun 6 2021, 08:32 AM)
Lca is useless

China send j20 will make laughing stock of our light attack aircraft

Yes gripen is better because cost efficient

And it has meteor missile just as good as aim 120
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To use Meteor needs also to buy Gripen as a package. Latest version Gripen E already USD 70 million/unit. Same price as new SuperHornet . Topup a little bit can get F35A at USD90mil/unit. Gripen not economical as there are better choices available. All for a single engine plane.Single engine=less range.

For broke country like ours ,better get used Legacy Hornet.Can be used with current missile inventory. Can tahan for extra 20 years. After 2050, we can look at what stealth aircraft in the market then. Maybe even unmanned fighters then
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post Jun 6 2021, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(tokroni @ Jun 6 2021, 04:20 PM)
To use Meteor needs also to buy Gripen as a package. Latest version Gripen E already USD 70 million/unit. Same price as new SuperHornet . Topup a little bit can get F35A at USD90mil/unit. Gripen not economical as  there are better choices available. All for a single engine plane.Single engine=less range.

For broke country like ours ,better get used Legacy Hornet.Can be used with current missile inventory. Can tahan for extra 20 years. After 2050, we can look at what stealth aircraft in the market then. Maybe even unmanned fighters then
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Though going forward only USMC would fly the legacy hornet? And they won't fly it beyond 2030.Canada & Finland would decide this year on what would replace the legacy hornet. It would either be F35, super hornet & Gripen.

The price of Gripen E are high if one include global eye. And it's a relatively new jet only entering service this year but only with 36 confirmed order. So there's still a high amount of R&D amortization cost included. Not to mention all E model are a growler version with built in jammer which can be removed to safe money. So if all legacy hornet user can agree to change it to Gripen, it could be a cheap options.

Anyway Gripen also join the contest for our LCA.

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For the LCA requirement, the types under consideration are the Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50 Fighting Eagle; the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Tejas; the Leonardo M-346; the Aero Vodochody L-39NG; the CAC L-15A/B; the CAC/PAC JF-17; the Saab Gripen; and the Yakovlev Yak-130.


https://www.janes.com/amp/malaysia-to-forma...dVI5VFp1cVMwPQ2

Personally i think a combo of Gripen & T7 would fit into LCA requirement, it not the same jet, but enough commonality to ease maintenance.



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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 6 2021, 12:20 PM)
LCA is another set of program that is going to replace the Hawk and MB339 as it is seen as more dire then the MIG replacement.
i like Hawk... Is Hawk still under production?
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Malaysia should buy some jf17 like nigeria pakistan muslim brothers to replace hawk. Hawk is retro old junks
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QUOTE(tokroni @ Jun 6 2021, 04:20 PM)
To use Meteor needs also to buy Gripen as a package. Latest version Gripen E already USD 70 million/unit. Same price as new SuperHornet . Topup a little bit can get F35A at USD90mil/unit. Gripen not economical as  there are better choices available. All for a single engine plane.Single engine=less range.

For broke country like ours ,better get used Legacy Hornet.Can be used with current missile inventory. Can tahan for extra 20 years. After 2050, we can look at what stealth aircraft in the market then. Maybe even unmanned fighters then
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https://www.aerotime.aero/27553-Top-10-most...er-jets-in-2021

Whaf talk kok u

Where u pull gripen 70 mil ? For msia purpose we dun need the highest spec of?

Gripen is one of the cheapest around and very cost efficient due to single.jet

Even cheaper because can launch at road side no need full air base

Hornet need to wait for usa Congress approval

U think easy to get ?

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post Jun 6 2021, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Maria Takagi @ Jun 6 2021, 08:33 AM)
How come mig 29 got spare part issue

But sukhoi 30 is OK?
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Though only 4 of those can fly?

Also thought we haven't done any upgrade & maintenance to keep it flying. all we did was to ask the Russian for an extension from routines maintenance and verify that the jet can fly without us really doing anything?

Is that why LCA requirement is for 36 +26. I mean 18 Sukhoi + 8 hornet do make 26?






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QUOTE(Maria Takagi @ Jun 6 2021, 06:23 PM)
https://www.aerotime.aero/27553-Top-10-most...er-jets-in-2021

Whaf talk kok u

Where u pull gripen 70 mil ? For msia purpose we dun need the highest spec of?

Gripen is one of the cheapest around and very cost efficient due to single.jet

Even cheaper because can launch at road side no need full air base

Hornet need to wait for usa Congress approval

U think easy to get ?
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I'm confused
The link you provided show that the Gripen is more expensive then f35.


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post Jun 6 2021, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(Kakwen @ Jun 6 2021, 06:21 PM)
Malaysia should buy some jf17 like nigeria pakistan muslim brothers to replace hawk. Hawk is retro old junks
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LTZ how long our subs expected to be in service?
5-years warranty, 20-years service?
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 6 2021, 06:36 PM)
I'm confused
The link you provided show that the Gripen is more expensive then f35.
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https://www.saab.com/newsroom/stories/2020/...-cost-effective


https://theprint.in/defence/saab-wants-offe...duction/298778/

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