Read more: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...ernisation-plan

Maybe we should put you in front line if CCP first wave is coming

$5 billion a year....

it could start from $3 billion per year, then around $8 billion per year in 2040

So, probably just allocation of regular budget. It remains to be seen if this will be followed up by future presidents. Jokowi and ryamizard terminated SBY's MEF program, so there's no obligation for future presidents.

Its not quite like that based from news. All of the funds must be disburse up until 2024. The disbursement to be in stages. The time frame to 2044 iinm is for the financial payment period.



This is why some military analyst questioned it although they support this huge defense budget.

This post has been edited by azriel: Jun 2 2021, 09:36 AM

We'll see...

but at this stage, a few billions USD worth of acquisition each year from regular defence budget is more believable to me.

All this news was based from legislators who had received and read the draft presidential decree. Better we wait for the presidential decree finally signed for clearer view on this.

Anyway today the Indonesian MoD to meet with Commission 1 of the Indonesian House of Representative regarding this defense budget.



Read more: https://m.medcom.id/english/national/5b2mvx...th-commission-i




This post has been edited by azriel: Jun 2 2021, 01:52 PM

except they dont

Yes, this certainly looks more sensible. Comes down to a little over US$3 Billion a year in new procurement each year for 25 years until 2044 - split between the 3 services.

I was almost worried that they might have intended to spend US$125 Billion on acquisition until 2024. That would drive deficit spending well beyond 3% of GDP per annum over the period. Unless Indonesia is willing to scale back its annual infrastructure spending by about a third, it won't be able to keep to the limit - which it must return to by 2023.

It'll also send a very bad signal regarding regional stability. That kind of spending is only justifiable if war is imminent. It is eerily similar in relative scope to the rise in defense spending in the Balkans in the years preceding WWII. Countries like Romania suddenly putting up orders for importation of hundreds of tanks and aircraft just a few years before the onset of the war, and much of their orders were never delivered given the situation which followed.

Hopefully, this means that Pentagon and Japanese "predictions" of war between Taiwan and China coming up in 2025-2028 - and its cascading effects - won't come to pass.

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[quote=azriel,Jun 1 2021, 07:20 AM]Unconfirmed report the Indonesian Navy Iver Huitfeldt frigate contract is now effective. The frigate final design will take 9 - 10 months to finish. First steel cutting expected next year. The Indonesian MoD wants the first frigate launching in end of 2023 or early 2024.

There was also early reports that the variant of the Iver Huifeldt Frigate for the Indonesian Navy will be equipped with Terma C-Flex CMS and Hensoldt TRS-4D Radar. Photo credit to Shipbucket.



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Do they make a OPV or absalon class varient?

Personally i do think that MMEA "mothership" is basically an OPV version of SG MRCV. A joint procurement would help drive the cost down a lot considering ID would only be building 2.
quote=Frozen_Sun,Jun 2 2021, 09:22 AM]
$5 billion a year....

it could start from $3 billion per year, then around $8 billion per year in 2040

So, probably just allocation of regular budget. It remains to be seen if this will be followed up by future presidents. Jokowi and ryamizard terminated SBY's MEF program, so there's no obligation for future presidents.

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maybe they should put up some basic infographic like RMN/RMAF did to discourage politicians from dicking around. A full fat defense white paper would be better

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Jun 3 2021, 06:47 PM

https://www.mintfo.com/news/dnd-reportedly-...s-gripen/27163/

Not about tak are duit.
TUDM want a magical jet that can

1)be a lift like Aermacchi
2) be a close air support like hawk
3) be an interceptor like MIG.

While politicians be it from PH & PN talk about MY building their own jet plane.

Basically they all wanted a jet that doesn't exist (yet!)

You could buy amerachi or fa-50 for 30mil USD. But once you want to shoot BVR it going to cost 50 mil USD which is basically the price of Gripen E. All of these jet had limited user so don't expect to used them for long.

Thought i come across this website which predict the development path of T7A as a spiritual successor to F5 with available license production to allies country so they can maintain/build/upgrade it themselves.



https://warontherocks.com/2017/05/reclaimin...proven-success/


Thought it nice and all but the earliest not fighting capable jet can only be had by 2024 or 2028 for combat capable version (assuming US got the funding to build it in the 1st place). Meanwhile 36 of our Sukhoi & hawk aren't being 'upgraded' so basically if anything happens we are only down to almost nak roboh 8 bijik hornet.

Off cause even if Canada acquired those Gripen and we tumbang sekaki, they going to modified it kaw kaw as it would only be operational by 2028. US navy also looking for a hawk replacement again only available by 2028.

So assuming MY want US jet there's won't be any available for again at least 2028.

We could thank mamakthir for this. If he had gone for a full hornet + hawk fleet we still have 80 plane available and are flying rather than now where we can realistically count on 8 hornet.

Maybe we should go cry to uncle Sam to let us have f35 for now as their LCA aren't available for 10 more years. Technically there enough budget in this RM to buy either 36 Fa-50 or 15 f35A.

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I don't even know if there is one nation in SEA that brave enough against CAATSA.

F35 is a big No. The queue is too long. US will sell it after minimum her allies need are fullfilled.
Too expensive to operate and maintain.
Anti Stealth radar could be invented sometime in the near future.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Jun 4 2021, 08:38 AM

Rather than fighting plane, isn't it better we invest in ship or SAM or drones? It is much better deterrence and lower acquired cost based on personnel/equipment cost ratio. The maintenance is even lower too. Fighter jet is overrated in 21st century . Fighter Drone is the way to go. Machine learning fighter drone combo with 2 pilots to form a squadron.

The best option for us right now in the immediate future is to beg/kowtow for Legacy Hornets from Kuwait/Australia/Canada/US. Enough for 2 squadrons kira success already. 24-8=16 units. Surely US Marines can give/sell us their Legacy Hornet at bargain prices. After all, we are at the front line against Red China

After that, buy base model T50 . Enough as trainer aircraft. 3 squadrons.36 unitsxUSD 30 miliion

Sell all besi buruk MIGs, Aemarshit, Sukhoi and Hawks after that

In 2050, maybe we can shop around at whatever staealth aircraft available

If we get F-35 block 10 relatively cheaply due to economies of scale...SG and AU will butthurt...lol

We won't get F-35, coz US won't sell to us...

not now....but they will. If F-16, F-15 and F-18 no longer in production.