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atreyuangel
post Jun 6 2021, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Jun 6 2021, 06:15 PM)
i like Hawk... Is Hawk still under production?
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Ada program British ngan India buat tu yang latest
tapi tak pasti apa jadi kat program tu

QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 6 2021, 06:33 PM)
Though only 4 of those can fly?

Also thought we haven't done any upgrade & maintenance to keep it flying.  all we did was to ask the Russian for an extension from routines maintenance and verify that the jet can fly without us really doing anything?

Is that why LCA requirement is for 36 +26. I mean 18 Sukhoi + 8 hornet do make 26?
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dengo le cakap mat sabu tu CO cakap 4 bijik fresh lepas service dapat ke dia 4 bijik boleh terbang, itu pun sibuk nak terbang kat belakang

gi cancel kontrak service yang STC tengah buat pastu lambat award ATSC tuk sambung life extension program walaupun waktu tu MKM ada yang dah siap kene lerai tuk extension program.

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post Jun 6 2021, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(Maria Takagi @ Jun 6 2021, 06:47 PM)
Still didn't get it

Half the Rafale cost is still the same price as F35.

Though you said we bankrupt country can't afford such a price?
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post Jun 6 2021, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 6 2021, 06:56 PM)
Ada program British ngan India buat tu yang latest
tapi tak pasti apa jadi kat program tu
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BTW, for hawk and macchi replacement, t50 is the most suitable..

JF17 is another type of fighter.it is not really 'light'.. it is as big as f16
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post Jun 6 2021, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Jun 6 2021, 08:34 PM)
BTW, for hawk and macchi replacement, t50 is the most suitable..

JF17 is another type of fighter.it is not really 'light'.. it is as big as f16
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Looking we are heading that way nod.gif

although I am a fan of the T7 Redhawk solely because of the partnership program with SAAB
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post Jun 6 2021, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 6 2021, 08:46 PM)
Looking we are heading that way  nod.gif

although I am a fan of the T7 Redhawk solely because of the partnership program with SAAB
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t7 redhawk is definitely a good program to piggyback
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post Jun 7 2021, 09:54 AM

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post Jun 7 2021, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Maria Takagi @ Jun 6 2021, 06:23 PM)
https://www.aerotime.aero/27553-Top-10-most...er-jets-in-2021

Whaf talk kok u

Where u pull gripen 70 mil ? For msia purpose we dun need the highest spec of?

Gripen is one of the cheapest around and very cost efficient due to single.jet

Even cheaper because can launch at road side no need full air base

Hornet need to wait for usa Congress approval

U think easy to get ?
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https://www.malaysiandefence.com/gripen-e-malaysia/

Previous Gripen C/D variant are cheapest at USD 30-40 million/unit. Problem with Gripen is single engine equals lower range and lower payload. You dont want to travel across South China Sea with only one engine

Newer Gripen E/ F variant just came out. More powerful single engine but also just one engine. Same cost as SuperHornet. Why get Gripen if can get Superhornet? We are more familiar with Hornet. Two engines=more reliable. Got economies of scale. US biggest global military supplier instead of tiny Sweden. Got after sales backup by mighty Boeing

Buying military assets are buying military alliances also. Shows which team you are in currently.

With current geo-politics and anti-China climate in Washington, we will have no problem with US Congress. In 2003, they even offered Superhornet but because of DrM blunder, now we have rojak inventory.

Best case for broke country like Malaysia 2021-2040

MRCA-24x Legacy Hornet
LCA-36x T50

Same engine. Less headache logistics. Same weapon inventory can be used.

Sell all besi buruk MIG and Soviet/Russian shit already



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QUOTE(tokroni @ Jun 7 2021, 01:12 PM)
https://www.malaysiandefence.com/gripen-e-malaysia/

Previous Gripen C/D variant are cheapest at USD 30-40 million/unit. Problem with Gripen is single engine equals lower range and lower payload. You dont want to travel across South China Sea with only one engine

Newer Gripen E/ F variant just came out. More powerful single engine but also just one engine. Same cost as SuperHornet. Why get Gripen if can get Superhornet? We are more familiar with Hornet. Two engines=more reliable. Got economies of scale. US biggest global military supplier instead of tiny Sweden. Got after sales backup by mighty  Boeing

Buying military assets are buying military alliances also. Shows which team you are in currently.

With current geo-politics and anti-China climate in Washington,  we will have no problem with US Congress. In 2003, they even offered Superhornet but because of DrM  blunder, now we have rojak inventory.

Best case for broke country like Malaysia 2021-2040

MRCA-24x Legacy Hornet
LCA-36x  T50

Same engine. Less headache logistics. Same weapon inventory can be used.

Sell all besi buruk MIG and Soviet/Russian  shit already
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Zzzzzzzz.....ngantuk la baca wannabi ni...suh join military..Tak nak...last jadi asokar dlm forum...
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post Jun 7 2021, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(tokroni @ Jun 7 2021, 01:12 PM)
https://www.malaysiandefence.com/gripen-e-malaysia/

Previous Gripen C/D variant are cheapest at USD 30-40 million/unit. Problem with Gripen is single engine equals lower range and lower payload. You dont want to travel across South China Sea with only one engine

Newer Gripen E/ F variant just came out. More powerful single engine but also just one engine. Same cost as SuperHornet. Why get Gripen if can get Superhornet? We are more familiar with Hornet. Two engines=more reliable. Got economies of scale. US biggest global military supplier instead of tiny Sweden. Got after sales backup by mighty  Boeing

Buying military assets are buying military alliances also. Shows which team you are in currently.

With current geo-politics and anti-China climate in Washington,  we will have no problem with US Congress. In 2003, they even offered Superhornet but because of DrM  blunder, now we have rojak inventory.

Best case for broke country like Malaysia 2021-2040

MRCA-24x Legacy Hornet
LCA-36x  T50

Same engine. Less headache logistics. Same weapon inventory can be used.

Sell all besi buruk MIG and Soviet/Russian  shit already
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If we can get super hornet long time we obtain already la

Due to no.money and Congress issue

We bising about Palestine Israel war issue, u think Congress no delay further ah ?
A lot of yehoodoo supporter in Congress u know ?

If we were to despo buy light fighter mind as well go for c and d version lah

Based them in labuan we dun need them to go so far mah...we not gonna bomb China right ?


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QUOTE(Maria Takagi @ Jun 7 2021, 01:28 PM)
If we can get super hornet long time we obtain already la

Due to no.money and Congress issue

We bising about Palestine Israel war  issue, u think Congress no delay further ah ?
A lot of yehoodoo supporter in Congress u know ?

If we were to despo buy light fighter mind as well go for c and d version  lah

Based them in labuan we dun need them to go so far mah...we not gonna bomb China right ?
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how surprise are you if I said that we were offered and we almost did in 2015!


tapi US ni deal Government to Government... jadi faham2 la



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post Jun 7 2021, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 7 2021, 03:21 PM)
how surprise are you if I said that we were offered and we almost did in 2015!
tapi US ni deal Government to Government... jadi faham2 la
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Huh ? Our government want to buy

Why not sell ?
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QUOTE(Maria Takagi @ Jun 7 2021, 07:11 PM)
Huh ? Our government want to buy

Why not sell ?
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1. yes our government!
2. Nak jual apa ni?
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post Jun 7 2021, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 7 2021, 08:47 PM)
Cockerill 3030 gun stabilization test on the Indonesian X18 Combat Boat.


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That will answer about accuracy
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post Jun 8 2021, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 6 2021, 08:46 PM)
Looking we are heading that way  nod.gif

although I am a fan of the T7 Redhawk solely because of the partnership program with SAAB
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i don't think we would get the t50.
Simply because if we wanted too we would had purchased it already.
Not to mention it's our tradition to not buy what our neighbors buy.
Since all our neighbors had bought it so obviously we won't buy it. tongue.gif

Personally i think they all bought the T50 simply because its basically a mini f16.unlike all our immediate neighbor, we don't have any f16 around.

But T7 is basically a mini hornet, same avionics,same engine and such.
sizable USAF deal make it way cheaper than t50.its 27 mil a piece inclusive of simulator.

T7 is also a very big plane, more JF-17/Gripen in size then to a pure LIFT.so plenty of space to put stuff in. It would be compatible with all our weapons something t50 couldn't do.

Boeing & sabb both has awac that can be included in the deals. LM & KAI has no awac to offer.

Not to mention Saab are open towards the prospect of local assembly. A very easy way to commit the gov to buy plenty of something and to spurned off a new industry.

So there's you go. The only candidates that ticks all the box's for LCA requirement is T7. Except right now it's still a paper plane. Even if they managed to roll it out of assembly it's still an incomplete and immature platforms. But eventually compared to the rest, it has the brightest future with the best ultilities.

Not to mention by having a Saab factory locally and churned out t7 for 15 years. By 2035 it can churn out the tempest pulak.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 8 2021, 01:58 AM)
i don't think we would get the t50.
Simply because if we wanted too we would had purchased it already.
Not to mention it's our tradition to not buy what our neighbors buy.
Since all our neighbors had bought it so obviously we won't buy it. tongue.gif

Personally i think they all bought the T50 simply because its basically a mini f16.unlike all our immediate neighbor, we don't have any f16 around.

But T7 is basically a mini hornet, same avionics,same engine and such.
sizable USAF deal make it way cheaper than t50.its 27 mil a piece inclusive of simulator. 

T7 is also a very big plane, more JF-17/Gripen in size then to a pure LIFT.so plenty of space to put stuff in. It would be compatible with all our weapons something t50 couldn't do.

Boeing & sabb both has awac that can be included in the deals. LM & KAI has no awac to offer.

Not to mention Saab are open towards the prospect of local assembly. A very easy way to commit the gov to buy plenty of something and to spurned off a new industry.

So there's you go. The only candidates that ticks all the box's for LCA requirement is T7. Except right now it's still a paper plane.  Even if they managed to roll it out of assembly it's still an incomplete and immature platforms. But eventually compared to the rest, it has the brightest future with the best ultilities.

Not to mention by having a Saab factory locally and churned out t7 for 15 years. By 2035 it can churn out the tempest pulak.
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Kenapa aku cakap kita menuju ke arah T50
menuju jaa.. Malaysia ni dah sign LOI pun boleh kensel laugh.gif

kalau LIMA19 hang tau sapa yang duk dalam meeting tu macam jadi ja pasal dia ada lagi innocent.gif


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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 8 2021, 01:58 AM)
i don't think we would get the t50.
Simply because if we wanted too we would had purchased it already.
Not to mention it's our tradition to not buy what our neighbors buy.
Since all our neighbors had bought it so obviously we won't buy it. tongue.gif

Personally i think they all bought the T50 simply because its basically a mini f16.unlike all our immediate neighbor, we don't have any f16 around.

But T7 is basically a mini hornet, same avionics,same engine and such.
sizable USAF deal make it way cheaper than t50.its 27 mil a piece inclusive of simulator. 

T7 is also a very big plane, more JF-17/Gripen in size then to a pure LIFT.so plenty of space to put stuff in. It would be compatible with all our weapons something t50 couldn't do.

Boeing & sabb both has awac that can be included in the deals. LM & KAI has no awac to offer.

Not to mention Saab are open towards the prospect of local assembly. A very easy way to commit the gov to buy plenty of something and to spurned off a new industry.

So there's you go. The only candidates that ticks all the box's for LCA requirement is T7. Except right now it's still a paper plane.  Even if they managed to roll it out of assembly it's still an incomplete and immature platforms. But eventually compared to the rest, it has the brightest future with the best ultilities.

Not to mention by having a Saab factory locally and churned out t7 for 15 years. By 2035 it can churn out the tempest pulak.
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Can RMAF wait for T7?
It is still in prototype stage. The USAF already booked for 350 units.

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Jun 8 2021, 12:46 PM)
Can RMAF wait for T7?
It is still in prototype stage. The USAF already booked for 350 units.
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T7A start production tahun ni tuk USAF

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post Jun 8 2021, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 8 2021, 12:12 PM)
Kenapa aku cakap kita menuju ke arah T50
menuju jaa.. Malaysia ni dah sign LOI pun boleh kensel  laugh.gif

kalau LIMA19 hang tau sapa yang duk dalam meeting tu macam jadi ja pasal dia ada lagi  innocent.gif
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Boeing tak pandai rasuah
Tapi Saab pandai
They even managed to rasuah Switzerland tongue.gif

Both Saab US & sweeden factory produce the t7 body. Boeing only do the head & avionics.

So songlap potensi is there


Oh wait, Boeing also give rasuah. They already purchased some components for their commercial planes from us. An increase in them purchasing components for their commercial plane is beyond the purview of state department.

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 8 2021, 03:34 PM)
Boeing tak pandai rasuah
Tapi Saab pandai
They even managed to rasuah Switzerland  tongue.gif

Both Saab US & sweeden factory produce the t7 body. Boeing only do the head & avionics.

So songlap potensi is there
Oh wait, Boeing also give rasuah. They already purchased some components for their commercial planes from us. An increase in them purchasing components for their commercial plane is beyond the purview of state department.
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US terikat ngan government to government deal, basically semua kene go thru congress
situ tak nampak la rasuah, tang rasuah dia tu bila nak menyakinkan kongress nanti
kalo tak takkan la ada kes Fat Leo tu

EU business model depa mcm tu, kick backs and offsets kat agent ngan negara dah memang obvious dah

cuma tiba2 negara kita lak acah2 suci bila term business deals

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