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money talks. if they have the dough then they should pay up

now we see if turkiye is interested in rejoining the kfx initiative.

Roll out ceremony of KF-21 Boramae (KF-X) Fighter Jet.

First prototype of Indonesia Pindad new Anoa 3 6x6 APC. Taller and bigger than the previous one with a new customized Timoney modular driveline, transfer case and steering system. Credit to World Defense Zone FB.

The Pindad Cobra 8x8 (licensed Pandur) iinm is still on and Pindad also is currently developing an indigenous 8x8 APC and a Tracked IFV (based from the Harimau Tank).

Indonesian X18 Antasena Tank Boat (Combat Boat) first prototype. Photo by Ary Kusyanto.



https://www.instagram.com/p/COQYRvwBQxQ/

Read more: https://www.defenseworld.net/news/29600/Ind...ia#.YKXsOOoxU0N

Well its up to Jokowi now. Anyway according to La Tribune the final negotiation have ended and the Fench and Indonesian MoD should meet in the coming weeks.
https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-financ...ale-884904.html

The allotted fund for armament modernization is Rp 42,65 triliun or $2.9bn this year, from the $9.5bn defense budget.

So, probably can be paid off in 4-5 years, provided the defense budget increase gradually

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20201005...pa-saja-di-2021

A screenshot of the Indonesian PT PAL booth at Indonesian Ministry of Defense Exhibition 2020. Its the first time PT PAL is introducing its LPH 244 meter design to the public. Credit to PT PAL.





Roadmap of PT PAL LPH 244 meter based from the Makassar Class LPD.

not really.
ID is doing what we did 20 years ago, buy a little bit of everything on the pretext of transfer of technology and local assembly.
they basically doing it more for the cheer of the crowd just like we did how our navy got 8 warships from 3 different country.
or how we sacrifice things we need and bought thing we dont need like the adnan, pendekar, sukhoi & MIG.
there really not much appetite for it anymore be it from the army nor the public.
unlike ID, MY really think china is a problem and thus are trying to get their shit together from years of mahathir misdirection.
ID are very secure at this moments, they are not direct claimant of SCS. so they dont have to take things so seriously.
theres no need to step on chinese foot too much but just enough so angmoh would move their factories to their country.
SG arent a claimant of SCS, but they are ''obligated' to be involved and thus the mini carrier and destroyer.
and all the sea line of communication propaganda they keep on saying.
so after decades of military spending to invade malaysia, they turn 360 degree and change the acquisition strategy to ' defend '' MY.

despite lots of hiccups. i think we are doing quite well.

seem we are adopting the same strategy as other angmoh country.

tentera darat pretty much just ape aus land 400 strategy isnt it?
1st step get 250 8x8
2nd step get 500 or so more APC & anti aircraft gun (rumours is 250 6x6 has been approve) if anything i think it would the the griffon & jaguar
3rd step finish the networking and get some cheap self propelled howitzer

the 6 maharajalela, MPA, MALE combo is a pretty good ASW combo. RAN also are building 6 ASW frigates.
so it doesnt take a geniuses, to figure out RMN would need 3 AAW frigate next.
the RN is talking about acquiring amphibious assault ship, we too have the same requirement with MRSS

as for the air force, most angmoh country run 100 planes, guess thats why the AF is looking at fa50 i guess. thats the only planes we can afford in numbers.

so no. its isnt the same at all.
MY are preparing for war, ID isnt.

and not just a war to protect our country, the fact we ape angmoh acquisition albeit with lot cheaper hardware, mean we want to join in the war effort in foreign land as well.

Seem like they would start constructions by 2030.
RMN too plans to get another MRSS by that time frame.

Maybe we should tumpang build one with them. Rather then spending a lot of money just designing a single ship.

Interesting you mention 'wilder' endeavors.
Because they do join in in some minor endeavors.
Understandable why they don't join the war on terror is due to their two neighbors isn't it? They are more than happy to join the war on china though.

Like i said ID are just doing it for domestic audiences. The fact is they don't even have enough capabilities to hold on to their owned territories.

But then again, in 20-30 years they would be in the same position as the chinese is now and would be doing the exact same shit. So it's a good idea for them to start their own military industrial complex. Not to mention not every indonesian want to be indonesian so the risk of being embargo again is high.

ID MRSS is a ferry.
It's not meant for war
Heck it doesn't even have centralized a/c.

Doubt it has any abilities to replenish heli & other ship.
If it can't do that then how to hunt for submarines & mines?

Obviously our army wanted something like damen's Karel doorman

Currently their defense spending is as high as indonesia.

But In pre covid 2033 estimate, MY economy would be 2x of SG while ID would be 3x of MY. So by then MY & ID can afford the same toys as SH even with just 1% spending on GDP on defense. By 2040 MY GDP PPP per capita would be in parity with SK.

So unless we fucked things up and hired ourselves another dictator. Getting the same LPD as SG by 2035 is possible. We  can probably afford for a joint procurement of weapon post 2040.

Air Force Could Ditch Oldest F-35 Jets as Part of Fighter Downsizing, General Says
  
The U.S. Air Force could retire some of its older-model F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, which are used for training, over the next decade in favor of acquiring the most advanced variants of the jet, according to a top general.

Older versions of the premier stealth jet may be retired instead of receiving expensive upgrades to keep them viable for a future conflict, said Lt. Gen. S. Clinton Hinote, the Air Force's deputy chief of staff for strategy, integration and requirements.

"It's not in our plans right now, but that would be something that we would have to take into consideration," he said in an interview Tuesday. "Because the big question is, 'Are we going to go back and retrofit [them]?'

"Retrofit cost is a key consideration for, 'Do we want to take training jets that are older [software] blocks and upgrade them to new blocks?'" Hinote said. "Are we maybe overinvested in training tails? There are some indications that maybe we are."

Hinote was referring to the ratio of training jets to combat-coded jets -- those ready for a wartime mission at any given time -- across the service's seven fighter fleets as it prepares for a near-peer conflict. The Air Force counts the A-10 Thunderbolt II close-air support aircraft as part of its fighter fleet, along with the F-35, F-22 Raptor, F-15C/D Eagle, F-15E Strike Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, and the new F-15EX Eagle II.

For example, one-third of the fifth-generation F-22 fighter fleet is not combat-coded, with most of those jets reserved for training pilots.

"It's true with a lot of our aircraft that we have some they're dedicated solely to training," Hinote said. "We're questioning, in a new era [of great power competition], where training is going to look different. Perhaps we have overinvested in training aircraft, and the ratio of training to fighter aircraft could be improved on the fighter side, i.e. more tails available for combat."

Although the F-35 is one of the Pentagon's newest aircraft, some of the oldest Lightning II fighters in the fleet are used for training purposes. They are part of manufacturer Lockheed Martin's earliest low-rate initial production batches.

As the service considers what kind of fighter mix it wants, it must decide whether it can afford the luxury of having aircraft designated only for training. Several of its fleets, including the F-35 and F-22, include training aircraft that are older and not configured for combat, Hinote explained.

Upgrading them would be expensive and, in some cases, impossible.

In a time of limited resources, the Air Force is reconsidering keeping dedicated trainer aircraft and investigating how much training it can move to high-quality simulations.

"We've been experimenting with pilot training at all levels, and what we are learning has the potential to shift our whole approach," Hinote said. "There may be some that are not upgradeable to the full combat capability and, if that is true, that probably means we need to think about [whether] they are worth flying."

The Raptor vs. NGAD
The Air Force must make key decisions about which aircraft, and how many, it wants to sustain longer term, Hinote said.

During a panel last week, Air Force Gen. Charles "CQ" Brown explained his plan to reduce the service's fighter fleets from seven to four.

Brown calls the initiative "four plus one." The "four" are the F-35; F-16; the F-15EX, which entered the service's inventory last month; and the Next Generation Air Dominance, or NGAD, program, which defies the traditional categorization of a single platform, featuring a network potentially including an advanced fighter aircraft alongside sensors, weapons or drones. The venerable A-10 remains as the "plus one."

Noticeably absent from his list were the F-22 and F-15E.

Over the next five years, the service will establish whether fledgling airframes like the F-15EX can fill the roles of its legacy fighters.

Service leaders have hinted that, while the fourth-generation F-15EX is meant to replace the legacy F-15C/D models, it also could succeed the E Strike Eagle model in the future, given its weapons load. Hinote said the legacy Strike Eagle could stick around longer if the fleet receives needed upgrades; if the upgrades are not cost effective for the service, the EX will take its place.

Hinote said the service will still ask Congress to fund crucial upgrades to the F-22 fleet as part of its fiscal 2022 budget request, including modifications to the fighter's sensor suite capabilities.

But the F-22 "has some limitations to it that you just can't modernize your way out of," he added.

When the F-22 retires will be decided by how quickly NGAD can be fielded, Hinote said.

If the Air Force can secure enough funding for the NGAD in the fiscal 2022 and future budgets, and subsequently prove the technology prior to 2030, F-22s will start heading to the aircraft boneyard, he said.

"All those things are interrelated," he explained.

The F-35 Is a 'Special Case'
Air Force Magazine reported last week that the service is considering a 10% cut in F-35 buys as part of its Future Years Defense Plan, citing a growing need to transition to the most up-to-date jets as they become available.

CNN reported that some Air Force officials have expressed a desire to cap the total number of F-35s in inventory, reducing a projected procurement of 1,763 of the conventional takeoff and landing A-variant to 800 maximum to make room for NGAD.

But Hinote said no decisions have been made.

"The internal talk about the total buy is something we've got to do, but we have not made a decision on that because we don't know all the variables yet," Hinote said, calling the F-35 a "special case" in the jet inventory.

"If we can get to the full buy, that would be the future we'd prefer," he said.

The Air Force now has more F-35s than F-15s and A-10s. At 283 jets, the F-35 fleet is second in size only to the Fighting Falcon; the Air Force has 934 F-16 C and D models.

But "the block that is coming off the line right now is not a block that I feel good about going up against China and Russia," Hinote said, referring to the current Block 3F software and hardware configuration.

Upgrades to Block 4, the latest modernization update for the F-35's avionics and weapons systems, began in 2018. It is meant to expand the type of weapons the aircraft can carry, including Raytheon's Stormbreaker small-diameter bomb, which has the ability to attack moving targets in bad weather.

The Pentagon originally estimated Block 4 modernization could be incorporated by 2024, but the project timeline has been delayed until at least 2027, according to an assessment from the Government Availability Office.

Some F-35s already have elements of Block 4, such as the Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System, which helps prevent aircraft from flying into the ground.

Unlocking the rest of Block 4's upgrades will require what is known as "Technology Refresh 3," or TR-3, which will provide the aircraft with prompt processing capability and increased memory, among other capabilities.

While much of TR-3 will be incorporated in the latest batch of aircraft in 2023, its development is still "tracking 7 months later than originally planned," the GAO said.

Both updates will be critical in a conflict against China in the Pacific, Hinote said.

In 2019, the service flew only Block 4 F-35s in a war game because using Block 3F jets "wouldn't be worth it" in a toe-to-toe scenario with China, he told Defense News.

There are other problems with the F-35, including a growing shortage of F135 engines, manufactured by Pratt & Whitney, a subsidiary of Raytheon Corp. There is also more work to be done to its comprehensive logistics system, which is used for support operations, mission planning, supply chain management, maintenance, and other processes.

As sustainment and upgrade costs continue to rise, Hinote said capability, availability and affordability all play into the F-35's future with the service.

"We're going to have to make that call one day … but we don't have to make that decision in FY22 and, frankly, we don't have to make it in FY23," he said. "We are flying seven fighter fleets right now. No Air Force around the world can handle that much different demand on its logistics. We need to get down to a smaller number of fighter fleets, simply for the logistical concerns."

More like their citizens doesn't expect low taxation & high social services which allows them to spend more on defense.

But they already spend 3% on defense. Doubt their rakyat can accept any more  hike in defense spending particularly if MY & ID behave & not be a dick