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tokroni
post Jun 4 2021, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jun 3 2021, 07:45 PM)
Not about tak are duit.
TUDM want a magical jet that can

1)be a lift like Aermacchi
2) be a close air support like hawk
3) be an interceptor like MIG.

While politicians be it from PH & PN talk about MY building their own jet plane.

Basically they all wanted a jet that doesn't exist (yet!)

You could buy amerachi or fa-50 for 30mil USD. But once you want to shoot BVR it going to cost 50 mil USD which is basically the price of Gripen E. All of these jet had limited user so don't expect to used them for long.

Thought i come across this website which predict the development path of T7A as a spiritual successor to F5 with available license production to allies country so they can maintain/build/upgrade it themselves.

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https://warontherocks.com/2017/05/reclaimin...proven-success/
Thought it nice and all but the earliest not fighting capable jet can only be had by 2024 or 2028 for combat capable version (assuming US got the funding to build it in the 1st place). Meanwhile 36 of our Sukhoi & hawk aren't being 'upgraded' so basically if anything happens we are only down to almost nak roboh 8 bijik hornet.

Off cause even if Canada acquired those Gripen and we tumbang sekaki, they going to modified it kaw kaw as it would only be operational by 2028. US navy also looking for a hawk replacement again only available by 2028.

So assuming MY want US jet there's won't be any available for again at least 2028.

We could thank mamakthir for this. If he had gone for a full hornet + hawk fleet we still have 80 plane available and are flying rather than now where we can realistically count on 8 hornet.

Maybe we should go cry to uncle Sam to let us have f35 for now as their LCA aren't available for 10 more years. Technically there enough budget in this RM to buy either 36 Fa-50 or 15 f35A.
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The best option for us right now in the immediate future is to beg/kowtow for Legacy Hornets from Kuwait/Australia/Canada/US. Enough for 2 squadrons kira success already. 24-8=16 units. Surely US Marines can give/sell us their Legacy Hornet at bargain prices. After all, we are at the front line against Red China

After that, buy base model T50 . Enough as trainer aircraft. 3 squadrons.36 unitsxUSD 30 miliion

Sell all besi buruk MIGs, Aemarshit, Sukhoi and Hawks after that

In 2050, maybe we can shop around at whatever staealth aircraft available

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post Jun 4 2021, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(acam2812 @ Jun 4 2021, 12:24 PM)
Hope our TUDM will get the replacement soon. Is the Mig29 still proceed with upgrade plan?
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MiG29 besi buruk already
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post Jun 6 2021, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(sukhoi35mk @ Jun 5 2021, 01:33 PM)
SG paid abt USD115mil or SGD150 mil back in 2020 for their F-35Bs.....  We cannot afford those cost la.... We paid our Mig and Su via palm oil also which I don't think any EU or America will accept it....  If we die die wanna to barter trade  palm oil for jets... Maybe Russia or China might keen
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Russia might be problematic now because of sanctions and MH17. Also, we got Sukhoi in late 90s and early 200s because Soviet Union just collapsed and they need weapon sales desperately. Oil palm pun oil palm lah. However, I heard Russian after-sales service also are really bad unlike Boeing Hornet

China? The nation that send their military ships and airplanes into our area in a threatening manner? Better dont lah
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post Jun 6 2021, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(Maria Takagi @ Jun 6 2021, 08:32 AM)
Lca is useless

China send j20 will make laughing stock of our light attack aircraft

Yes gripen is better because cost efficient

And it has meteor missile just as good as aim 120
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To use Meteor needs also to buy Gripen as a package. Latest version Gripen E already USD 70 million/unit. Same price as new SuperHornet . Topup a little bit can get F35A at USD90mil/unit. Gripen not economical as there are better choices available. All for a single engine plane.Single engine=less range.

For broke country like ours ,better get used Legacy Hornet.Can be used with current missile inventory. Can tahan for extra 20 years. After 2050, we can look at what stealth aircraft in the market then. Maybe even unmanned fighters then
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post Jun 7 2021, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Maria Takagi @ Jun 6 2021, 06:23 PM)
https://www.aerotime.aero/27553-Top-10-most...er-jets-in-2021

Whaf talk kok u

Where u pull gripen 70 mil ? For msia purpose we dun need the highest spec of?

Gripen is one of the cheapest around and very cost efficient due to single.jet

Even cheaper because can launch at road side no need full air base

Hornet need to wait for usa Congress approval

U think easy to get ?
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https://www.malaysiandefence.com/gripen-e-malaysia/

Previous Gripen C/D variant are cheapest at USD 30-40 million/unit. Problem with Gripen is single engine equals lower range and lower payload. You dont want to travel across South China Sea with only one engine

Newer Gripen E/ F variant just came out. More powerful single engine but also just one engine. Same cost as SuperHornet. Why get Gripen if can get Superhornet? We are more familiar with Hornet. Two engines=more reliable. Got economies of scale. US biggest global military supplier instead of tiny Sweden. Got after sales backup by mighty Boeing

Buying military assets are buying military alliances also. Shows which team you are in currently.

With current geo-politics and anti-China climate in Washington, we will have no problem with US Congress. In 2003, they even offered Superhornet but because of DrM blunder, now we have rojak inventory.

Best case for broke country like Malaysia 2021-2040

MRCA-24x Legacy Hornet
LCA-36x T50

Same engine. Less headache logistics. Same weapon inventory can be used.

Sell all besi buruk MIG and Soviet/Russian shit already




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