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 Honda City RS e: HEV, What a mouthful but who is getting it?

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JoeK
post Mar 23 2021, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 22 2021, 09:15 PM)
Of all the Japanese B segment i test drove, I would rank City at the top followed by Vios and Almera 3rd. City just has the best package overall and the V spec is more than enough for everyone. RS version interior is very nice with the digital cluster and black roof lining , but its a bit overpriced and there is no test drive car at the moment.

I also tested X50 and i have got to say, X50 is very very disappointing to be honest. Looks good on the outside and inside, but once i drove it i know where it fails . The Dual clutch gearbox is slow AF, and somehow the engine does not feel smooth at all.And mind you, i test drove the flagship model with more HP and torque. You can immediately tell its a freaking 3 cylinder engine. Compared to the Almera 1.0 3 cylinder engine, the Almera is so much smoother in terms of power delivery.

But if i was looking for a car now, i will go for City . Its just the best all rounder. Interior feels the most premium and the engine is fantastic!
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City V equipment is disappointing. No AEB, no blind spot monitoring, no 360 camera, even less airbag compared to vios. City meter also very ugly analog compared to semi digital in Almera

People only buy City because of brand.

And city interior is the most premium? Lol good joke

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post Mar 23 2021, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(JoeK @ Mar 23 2021, 08:17 AM)
City V equipment is disappointing. No AEB, no blind spot monitoring, no 360 camera, even less airbag compared to vios. City meter also very ugly analog compared to semi digital in Almera

People only buy City because of brand.

And city interior is the most premium? Lol good joke
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Go and test drive first lah before talk so much garbage.

Almera interior feels the worst. The most cheapo among the 3. But engine is pretty good. But then again its the most expensive.

City is the most modern looking and engine is awesome. Price is in between almera and vios

Vios is the cheapest and the highest specced car. But interior does feel slightly outdated.

Ppl buy city bcuz of brand? Then why dont ppl buy vios?

U see alot of the new honda city & quite a number of the new FL vios on the road already but hardly any new almera

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post Mar 23 2021, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 08:54 AM)
Go and test drive first lah before talk so much garbage.

Almera interior feels the worst. The most cheapo among the 3. But engine is pretty good. But then again its the most expensive.

City is the most modern looking and engine is awesome. Price is in between almera and vios

Vios is the cheapest and the highest specced car. But interior does feel slightly outdated.

Ppl buy city bcuz of brand? Then why dont ppl buy vios?

U see alot of the new honda city & quite a number of the new FL vios on the road already but hardly any new almera
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I did test them all. I was in a market for a new car. That's why i test them all. I even tested Ativa

I have nothing to say anymore since you said city is the most premium compared to almera, vios, and X50.
People view are subjective, but if you think city is the most premium - then bad news for you

Since your reputation of talking big here already known, i was not surprised also
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QUOTE(JoeK @ Mar 23 2021, 09:20 AM)
I did test them all. I was in a market for a new car. That's  why i test them all. I even tested Ativa

I have nothing to say anymore since you said city is the most premium compared to almera, vios, and X50.
People view are subjective, but if you think city is the most premium - then bad news for you

Since your reputation of talking big here already known, i was not surprised also
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I said city interior is most premium among the 3 jap b segment cars laaaaa.. city, almera and vios

X50 is another story la mangkuk. I also did test drive ativa and ativa was awesome as well. Best car for the money
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post Mar 23 2021, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 09:25 AM)
I said city interior is most premium among the 3 jap b segment cars laaaaa.. city, almera and vios

X50 is another story la mangkuk. I also did test drive ativa and ativa was awesome as well. Best car for the money
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Ativa is value for money, no doubt. was it awesome? hmm... no..
again, City is the most premium? hmm.. no..

i have no idea what criteria you use to categorize car as premium and awesome..

but it's your view, so keep it. different people different view.

i just find it weird for somebody who "claimed" to have tested all the cars came to conclusion that city is the most premium
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QUOTE(JoeK @ Mar 23 2021, 09:40 AM)
Ativa is value for money, no doubt. was it awesome? hmm... no..
again, City is the most premium? hmm.. no..

i have no idea what criteria you use to categorize car as premium and awesome..

but it's your view, so keep it. different people different view.

i just find it weird for somebody who "claimed" to have tested all the cars came to conclusion that city is the most premium
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Ativa engine is superb. And it drives so well. Its so fun to drive.

City interior is most premium among the 3 jap cars.

X50 interior is great but let down by mediocre engine and gearbox


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post Mar 23 2021, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 09:56 AM)
Ativa engine is superb. And it drives so well. Its so fun to drive.

City interior is most premium among the 3 jap cars.

X50 interior is great but let down by mediocre engine and gearbox
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ok. for me Ativa looks too cheap, hard plastic everywhere. but overall value for money car.

City to me is not premium compared to Vios / Almera. they're on par at best. soft touch here and there, but got many hard plastic too. expected in this class. but the equipment is inferior compared to Vios / Almera. the cheap analog meter look make it worse

X50 interior is the best. no issue with engine and gearbox. everything is muted inside the cabin, can hardly feel any vibration. Ativa vibration is worse.
no issue for X50 gearbox for me too, since i've tested X70 before, i know how the gearbox behave. not lightning quick like VW dct, but on par with normal automatic gearbox - which is not an issue
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QUOTE(JoeK @ Mar 23 2021, 10:06 AM)
ok. for me Ativa looks too cheap, hard plastic everywhere. but overall value for money car.

City to me is not premium compared to Vios / Almera. they're on par at best. soft touch here and there, but got many hard plastic too. expected in this class. but the equipment is inferior compared to Vios / Almera. the cheap analog meter look make it worse

X50 interior is the best. no issue with engine and gearbox. everything is muted inside the cabin, can hardly feel any vibration. Ativa vibration is worse.
no issue for X50 gearbox for me too, since i've tested X70 before, i know how the gearbox behave. not lightning quick like VW dct, but on par with normal automatic gearbox - which is not an issue
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agreed. x50 feels more premium if compared to Ativa.

But if I am in the market for a new vehicle, I will buy ativa. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 23 2021, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(leon898 @ Mar 23 2021, 10:30 AM)
agreed. x50 feels more premium if compared to Ativa.

But if I am in the market for a new vehicle, I will buy ativa.  biggrin.gif
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Yes. Ativa is value for money no doubt.

Hafriz shah phrased it perfectly for me. If got extra money, sure X50 is the better choice. Different level

However, Ativa at that price range represents value in terms of equipment and refinement. Should consider especially if you have eyes on lowest spec vios/city/almera

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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 22 2021, 04:23 PM)
Ya lor.standardla. nama pun advertising. of course talk cock here talk cock there. but 1 things is I agree with him is this ads is a bit unethical. Never ever company put competitors into their ads and hentam kaw kaw. I dont think that is healthy. what is ur view on this?.
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In agreement to an extent. I have seen billboard ads in other countries where it is acceptable for BMW ad to ridicule AUDI for example, and vice versa. As do other makers too. It's all in the fun and as long as we don't take it word for word, literally, I don't see the harm in it.

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 08:54 AM)
Go and test drive first lah before talk so much garbage.

Almera interior feels the worst. The most cheapo among the 3. But engine is pretty good. But then again its the most expensive.

City is the most modern looking and engine is awesome. Price is in between almera and vios

Vios is the cheapest and the highest specced car. But interior does feel slightly outdated.

Ppl buy city bcuz of brand? Then why dont ppl buy vios?

U see alot of the new honda city & quite a number of the new FL vios on the road already but hardly any new almera
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Actually, people do buy the brand. They also buy based on resale/2nd hand value. To Msian old mindset, RS isn't a resale value for them because it has hybrid feature.
Honda has a lot of cash rebate promo than Toyota. Honda car has more sporty look except City because you can see their design is more conservative now. That's why they got more sales.

I own the new city 2020 car too. They changed the engine, and made handling much better. However, i wouldn't call Honda brand premium like how it was last time.
After sales service has dropped a lot compared to last time.

Actually i don't really see the new honda city on the road but i see more of the 2019 honda city.
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post Mar 23 2021, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 23 2021, 11:04 AM)
In agreement to an extent. I have seen billboard ads in other countries where it is acceptable for BMW ad to ridicule AUDI for example, and vice versa. As do other makers too. It's all in the fun and as long as we don't take it word for word, literally, I don't see the harm in it.

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Er..bmw never critize audi la. that pamplet u dig info on google already know what is all about.

I tot u want to give ads example like 5 series is like honda city rs and camry like audi a6, and 5 series overtake audi a6, then in the end audi a6 owner dissapointed.


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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 23 2021, 12:01 PM)
Er..bmw never critize audi la. that pamplet u dig info on google already know what is all about.

I tot u want to give ads example like 5 series is like honda city rs and camry like audi a6, and 5 series overtake audi a6, then in the end audi a6 owner dissapointed.
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Go have a look at this ads war between bmw and audi. this is how you critique your competitors. So farking smart.

edit: end video, show mercedes been poke somemore. lol.



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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 09:56 AM)
Ativa engine is superb. And it drives so well. Its so fun to drive.

City interior is most premium among the 3 jap cars.

X50 interior is great but let down by mediocre engine and gearbox
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Different people have different standard/perspective.

To me Ativa handle terribly, and extremely unstable. City is just marginally better.

Ativa/Cityi, I might get one later, but only get used and thrash them and won't bother to repair the dent. I value them as a fantastic daily beater but car without soul (totally not worth to buy new).

I would take them to wet market, very crowded area that I don't want my current car (even it already has full car PPF) to expose to.
Their usage primarily in city downtown. They are also unstable that I try not to bring them on highway. Short <20km highway commute, will keep average 80km/h, not more than 100km/h.
Use them as they designed for - urban city car.

I know a guy that going to same car detailing shop as me, who thrash his GTR. Modded to 900hp, always KL<->Penang<->Thailand for meeting, drive up to 300km/h.
To him GTR is his business tool, to get to his destination ASAP, time is his money. He cheap out on cosmetic repair, some body panel repainted but wrong color shade/no metallic, he also don't care, as long as overall his car still a black car.
To him probably cheapest car that can run at that speed. He got other cars that he pampered.
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QUOTE(Nshade @ Mar 23 2021, 11:52 AM)
Actually, people do buy the brand. They also buy based on resale/2nd hand value. To Msian old mindset, RS isn't a resale value for them because it has hybrid feature.
Honda has a lot of cash rebate promo than Toyota. Honda car has more sporty look except City because you can see their design is more conservative now. That's why they got more sales.

I own the new city 2020 car too. They changed the engine, and made handling much better. However, i wouldn't call Honda brand premium like how it was last time.
After sales service has dropped a lot compared to last time.

Actually i don't really see the new honda city on the road but i see more of the 2019 honda city.
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Lel what kinda logic is that? Of course u will see more 2019 city otr now because its an older car. Soon u will see more 2021 city otr after a year or 2 .

Topkek logic
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 12:46 PM)
Lel what kinda logic is that? Of course u will see more 2019 city otr now because its an older car. Soon u will see more 2021 city otr after a year or 2 .

Topkek logic
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So you don't agree on what i said earlier?
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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Mar 23 2021, 12:32 PM)
Different people have different standard/perspective.

To me Ativa handle terribly, and extremely unstable. City is just marginally better.

Ativa/Cityi, I might get one later, but only get used and thrash them and won't bother to repair the dent. I value them as a fantastic daily beater but car without soul (totally not worth to buy new).

I would take them to wet market, very crowded area that I don't want my current car (even it already has full car PPF) to expose to.
Their usage primarily in city downtown. They are also unstable that I try not to bring them on highway. Short <20km highway commute, will keep average 80km/h, not more than 100km/h.
Use them as they designed for - urban city car.

I know a guy that going to same car detailing shop as me, who thrash his GTR. Modded to 900hp, always KL<->Penang<->Thailand for meeting, drive up to 300km/h.
To him GTR is his business tool, to get to his destination ASAP, time is his money. He cheap out on cosmetic repair, some body panel repainted but wrong color shade/no metallic, he also don't care, as long as overall his car still a black car.
To him probably cheapest car that can run at that speed. He got other cars that he pampered.
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Of cuz everyone has different opinion. But if 8/10 ppl say ativa is awesome to drive, it means its awesome to drive. The minority 2 opinion dont count

U shud check out ativa reviews on youtube. Majority say its a great car to drive.
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QUOTE(Nshade @ Mar 23 2021, 12:48 PM)
So you don't agree on what i said earlier?
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I didnt say honda is a premium brand. I said honda city interior is the most premium among the 3 jap b segment cars. Pls fully understand the difference before u comment here will ya?

Of cuz ppl buy brand, thats why honda and toyota sells so well here. RS City will cater to a niche market as its priced quite high. There will be ppl who will buy the RS but it will be a small percentage only.
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QUOTE(Nshade @ Mar 23 2021, 11:52 AM)
Actually, people do buy the brand. They also buy based on resale/2nd hand value. To Msian old mindset, RS isn't a resale value for them because it has hybrid feature.
Honda has a lot of cash rebate promo than Toyota. Honda car has more sporty look except City because you can see their design is more conservative now. That's why they got more sales.

I own the new city 2020 car too. They changed the engine, and made handling much better. However, i wouldn't call Honda brand premium like how it was last time.
After sales service has dropped a lot compared to last time.

Actually i don't really see the new honda city on the road but i see more of the 2019 honda city.
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Hybrid car is actually in better demand these days...But that would be true as far as Toyota is concern lah tongue.gif second hand Camry hybrid even very old Prius is like hot cakes...But I agree when they are new, they tends to put off potential buyer because the askingg price is steep when the government is not giving incentive.

Credit must be given when credit is due, Honda Malaysia has been on the other hand quick to bring best safety features fully loaded to even B segment and shaken up all its competitors since some times back, they are also the first to bring to the market the turbo engine, and now THIS which the only of the similar kind would be the yet to come Nissan Kick e power (not even sure it will ever come judging from how Nissan and TCM do things these days)

Honda has been as you have pointed out mellowed down on their car design and conservative is really the theme as seen on their new Accord, city and soon Civic.


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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 12:55 PM)

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Anyway.....

1 thing i have to say, for a B segment car, honda price is... kinda hard to say No, especially those 1st who never own a Honda branded car before. With rebates like that, of course their sales number go up.
They really need to look into the after sales service due to high capacity of honda users.

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