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 Honda City RS e: HEV, What a mouthful but who is getting it?

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post Mar 21 2021, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 19 2021, 12:22 PM)
Which facts are people looking for? That City overtook Camry, when the Camry wasn't even accelerating and people consider it a fact?

That's like creating an ad that our Malaysian God Car Myvi overtook a Ferrari when the prancing horse was just cruising, then people expect it to be faster that the Ferrari.

Performance? Extra torque is always nice, helps with the overtaking, helps with hill climb and so forth. But people should stop equating it as being performance oriented. It is a Honda City, and should be treated as it should be, efficient and economical.
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I dunno u had seen the video or not. But based on the comment like not.



Do ads like this, compare directly with competitors, until camry driver very frustated in the end, super misleading to the max. lol.

But this is expected from Honda. Top manager also make joke about rape,then what we can expect right. If head also stink, then tail also stink too.
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post Mar 21 2021, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Mar 19 2021, 01:35 PM)
Must also always consider mass, wind resistance, traction, engine power/torque curve and gear ratios.
I've H.City 1.5 (CVT), Civic 2.0 (A), Accord 2.4 (A), P.X70 1.8T (A) and VW Golf 2.0T (DCT)

Not counting the Golf, but the other 4 have pretty similar real world 0-100 km/h times in the 9-10+ sec range
My Civic has better 100-200km/h acceleration than the City (of course), Accord and X70.
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Big cars usually come with heavy kerb weight. So acceleration from standstill will take a hit. Lighter car can match the acceleration, but at certain speed, out of breath easily due to horsepower not enough


QUOTE(DM52 @ Mar 19 2021, 02:17 PM)
See based on pic, how Honda try to instill City is superior over Camry..This follow by Ads video.I think I stop here. The moment u take in Ferrari and Myvi as a comparison, show u dont understand what we talk about.
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engineer make the car, marketing people made the ads. Marketing only think want to sell. Technical throw to the sea. This ads clearly show they dont understand how immd works.
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post Mar 21 2021, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Mar 19 2021, 02:20 PM)
better than my 1.5 Jazz  Hybrid wei... i need to go test drive and if can really feel the supreme acceleration i'll change.

Anyone who wants a 2019 Jazz Hybrid with super low mileage let me know. haha
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Mar 19 2021, 02:23 PM)
9.9 very slow wor.. it doesn't represent 250nm torque cars. Jazz Hybrid 1.15t 173nm doing around 8.7secs ady.. i was expecting it to be around 6-7 secs region for 253 on that 1.1t body.
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QUOTE(DS51 @ Mar 19 2021, 02:38 PM)
In facebook group, last gen city sport hybrid get 9 second flat already. And ya, I had hear jazz sport hybrid around ur stated figure.

But here, like people said if B segment close to 10 second consider good for City RS. It ain a fast car, just normal b segment.

But city gm6 hybrid already can record 9 second with puny torque. What the hell make way more torque, but slower. then market it as a fast car. lol.

I was expecting more too.
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This one different hybrid system.Last time Honda use IMA, then IDCD, and now IMMD.

idcd is like improvement from ima, while immd totally different. No more combine output. 253nm purely from electric power. Car can rely on ev power not like idcd and ima system which heavily still rely on ice during running.

And definitely this one will be slower than previous IDCD, but its fuel is way way more efficient.
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post Mar 21 2021, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 20 2021, 03:03 AM)
I think much arguments against this car has also not been doing due justice on what good stuff you get with the package
https://www.nst.com.my/cbt/2021/03/672961/h...v-priced-rm106k

perhaps we should just highlight it here
And the distinctive fuel efficiency that beats almost every body
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Tbh, this immd got a lot of goodings. But majority people dont understand about it. Plus ads from Honda, is misleading which make it worse.


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post Mar 21 2021, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(freeman1 @ Mar 21 2021, 02:07 PM)
In other words, it's not a practical car...
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why do u said so?.care to explain? Practical or not, depends on people needs.
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post Mar 21 2021, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Mar 21 2021, 02:17 PM)
ah i see.. so in actual fact.. the 253nm doesn't really translate to real life performance lo.. but still 253nm purely electric power i'm no convince that it can only do 9.9s.. if that's the case.. they better not boost about their 253nm. hahaha it's going to be a laughing stock.
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Yes. this 253nm is far away from proton x50 255nm. 253nm is from electric motor. So, its easily pancut once drive mad like petrol car. Engine power torque is way lower than that. lol.

Dunno why they dont further idcd technology.keep changing. maybe they felt idcd not efficient enough.

edit: marketing department the one who boost about torque, I think their engineering department shake their head.lulz.

QUOTE(freeman1 @ Mar 21 2021, 02:18 PM)
Sorry if my words hurt u...

Lower hp but higher torque than basic city... topkek
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Not even hurt. btw, this rs torque application is not same like petrol. only for short burst. but its perfect for fuel economy.

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post Mar 22 2021, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 22 2021, 12:26 PM)
I have seen the ad. Again, my argument is not on the ad. But on people's understanding of such ads and defining a Honda City "so called" performance. There are plenty of ads that are misleading or made just for entertainment purposes. They were not created to literally tell you it is EXACTLY as the ad portrayed. Our minds are better that that. Somehow, in LYN, I keep being proven wrong.

If I was in the hunt for a car in this segment, this City would be in my radar. But not because of it's ability to beat a Camry as per ad.
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Ya lor.standardla. nama pun advertising. of course talk cock here talk cock there. but 1 things is I agree with him is this ads is a bit unethical. Never ever company put competitors into their ads and hentam kaw kaw. I dont think that is healthy. what is ur view on this?.

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post Mar 22 2021, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(JoeK @ Mar 22 2021, 11:12 AM)
anyway, this Honda City RS IMMD will fail because of price.

106k means 110k on the road, which is the same price as Proton X70 Executive and Proton X50 Flagship. Proton X50 flagship offers more except hybrid

not to mentioned it overlap with Honda Civic 1.8 at 112k on the road which offers more comfort and space, albeit no honda sensing
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somehow agree..price is too expensive. gap too far from 1.5V. and honda keep changing its hybrid system. futureproof not sure can exceed 15 years or not without braking wallet. but normal petrol definitely can exceed 15 years with minimal maintenance.


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post Mar 23 2021, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 23 2021, 11:04 AM)
In agreement to an extent. I have seen billboard ads in other countries where it is acceptable for BMW ad to ridicule AUDI for example, and vice versa. As do other makers too. It's all in the fun and as long as we don't take it word for word, literally, I don't see the harm in it.

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Er..bmw never critize audi la. that pamplet u dig info on google already know what is all about.

I tot u want to give ads example like 5 series is like honda city rs and camry like audi a6, and 5 series overtake audi a6, then in the end audi a6 owner dissapointed.


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post Mar 24 2021, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Nshade @ Mar 23 2021, 09:38 PM)
LOL, the thai ad is comical ler....
The wedding one is sweet.

The honda city MYS ad is opposite though.

The tech itself is nice, waiting for it to be more mature.
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Honda keep changing its hybrid system..Back then IMA, then replace with IDCD, and now IMMD. Problem with new technology is, they will never matured.

Honda can made perfect IMA system or perfect IDCD system. But, problem with perfect system or reliable system, they takes times and by the time, it develop, new technology is way up ahead. Thats why they always come out with newer different system. As they need to keep up with new technology available.

I just understand, why Honda made 2 City. Petrol is for reliability, use 15 years also no problem, while Hybrid is for current tech, so reliability above 10 years throw to the sea.

For those who buy city hybrid, they need to have a mindset not to use it forever. And those who understand about how Honda experiement with their Hybrid, will change car everytime new Hybrid City hybrid come out. Got latest technology. Way ahead in term of technology instead of stuck with old technology like Petrol City.

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post Mar 24 2021, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Mar 23 2021, 07:56 PM)
Unfortunately I've seen far too many people treat City as high performance car. No only RS, even the 1.5 as well.

Even met one called Almera 1.0T pathetic. Said his 1.5NA can easily pass a 70km/h lorry, and Almera owner so pity etc, so proud of his slow 0-160km/h in some 45s video. He get triggered when I said both are 10s+ and what to compare as they are both A to B urban city car, compare fuel economy or traffic jam comfort in low 40-60km/h more realistic.

I have no comment on ethical or not part, but I know the ads will roar and excite many fan boys, ricer. Unrealistic self believe their H badge is red in color. Ironically, met a couple of Type R owners at my go to detailing shop to maintain my car, they are humble and friendly.
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Problem with Malaysia behavior is, the lower their car performance, the cibai is their driving pattern. And the more expensive the car, the more behave the driving is. Dunno why, cheap car always drive fast everywhere. Want to show what also dunno. Then brag, wow, myvi is king of highway, myvi is fast. same goes to City too.

I had seen axia skid in front of my eyes. Maybe they want to show their car is fast. But if expensive car, step on throttle, it will be way way more faster. But different mentality perhaps. Expensive car more value their life over cheap car.

Ya, speed does not kill, but speed definitely will increase risk to accident and rate of survivability.
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post Mar 28 2021, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Mar 28 2021, 09:26 AM)
I dont understand the gripe on the ads. Its an ads. What it all showing is a city overtaking a camry. Overtaking on a road doesn't mean anything.

People take it too seriously. But maybe thats the norm for malaysian. In real life a better car pantang being overtaken while a souped up b segment car proud of overtaking a higher segment car.
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In real life, small car way easily trigged compare to better car. Thats why they come out with that ads. Hardly see, mercedes/bmw pantang being overtaken.

Last time when I not matured yet, I drive quite fast. And Conti if u follow a bit close, they will give way easily. Majority perhaps has set how fast they want to drive, example 140kmh, then if back car follow, they will not speed up instead give way. Conti car with 200hp can easily touch beyond 200kmh.

But, u know what, if u come close to persona, or myvi 1.5, city, wira, u will see they hard to give way. Instead speed up. Lol. Easily trigger.

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