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post Nov 15 2022, 09:15 AM

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Just upgraded my PC to the new i9 13900k, replacing a decade-old Ivy Bridge CPU and reuse a lot of stuff including a 240mm AIO (see sig for full spec). The AIO works kinda OK when I played Left 4 Dead 2 multiplayer, Guild Wars 2 and Genshin Impact with temperature hovering at around 60 degrees or something.

But when I compiled ffmpeg with MSYS or other software projects with Visual Studio 2022, the temp shoots very quickly to 90 degrees and then hovers there, presumably throttling itself. The new system does these things very quickly though unlike my old system. This probably happens because, unlike in the old system, the AIO's pumps and fans doesn't seem to rev up in response to the increased CPU temp and loads. I need to trouble shoot this one further in the future.
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post Nov 15 2022, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(asellus @ Nov 15 2022, 09:15 AM)
Just upgraded my PC to the new i9 13900k, replacing a decade-old Ivy Bridge CPU and reuse a lot of stuff including a 240mm AIO (see sig for full spec). The AIO works kinda OK when I played Left 4 Dead 2 multiplayer, Guild Wars 2 and Genshin Impact with temperature hovering at around 60 degrees or something.

But when I compiled ffmpeg with MSYS or other software projects with Visual Studio 2022, the temp shoots very quickly to 90 degrees and then hovers there, presumably throttling itself. The new system does these things very quickly though unlike my old system. This probably happens because, unlike in the old system, the AIO's pumps and fans doesn't seem to rev up in response to the increased CPU temp and loads. I need to trouble shoot this one further in the future.
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240 wont be enough yo also you can just put the aio pump to 100% iinm pump will last longer at 100% too because unlike fans these motor need to accelerate water which is heavier upon starting up that will actually cause more wear if the flow rate keep changing.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 15 2022, 12:38 PM)
240 wont be enough yo also you can just put the aio pump to 100% iinm pump will last longer at 100% too because unlike fans these motor need to accelerate water which is heavier upon starting up that will actually cause more wear if the flow rate keep changing.
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As of now there are no room for bigger radiators, many HDDs in the case. I have now fixed the broken fan speeds though, and now they can go very loud occasionally.
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post Nov 17 2022, 11:35 PM

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Want to ask those who used LGA1700 ILM bend correct frame, would you recommend to use it even if not for OCing?
I am concern the stock ILM might permanently warp the CPU and long run will damage it but will that be an issue or I'm just overworrying?
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Nov 17 2022, 11:35 PM)
Want to ask those who used LGA1700 ILM bend correct frame, would you recommend to use it even if not for OCing?
I am concern the stock ILM might permanently warp the CPU and long run will damage it but will that be an issue or I'm just overworrying?
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All good, just don't screw it hard, when you tighten it about 20% strength then it's good to go. laugh.gif
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post Nov 19 2022, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(Vannus @ Nov 19 2022, 12:53 AM)
All good, just don't screw it hard, when you tighten it about 20% strength then it's good to go.  laugh.gif
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On a 360 AIO, surprisingly at low/silent fan speed, the idle temp hovers around 36c -37c in aircon room and only consumed 120w (monitored from 3pin socket power meter). blush.gif This processor running stock settings when run 3dmark TimeSpy extreme with rtx4090 at stock settings as well, it didn't go beyond 660w (monitored from 3pin socket power meter) and temperature is around 60c plus not exceeding 70c. I think it's because not productivity workload and when on gaming workload the temperature and power efficiency are fantastic.
To me I feel there is no need to purposely undervolt or cap the PL1 PL2 TDP, just let it at stock because it feel great to have this auto overclocking feature to boost up when it requires the speed and power.
Btw in normal life scenario, i think only 1% of the world population will run 100% load 24/7 right. We are definitely not them, so no need to be over worrying about the 100c temp you see in youtube review.

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post Nov 19 2022, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(Vannus @ Nov 19 2022, 01:15 AM)
On a 360 AIO, surprisingly at low/silent fan speed, the idle temp hovers around 36c -37c in aircon room and only consumed 120w (monitored from 3pin socket power meter).  blush.gif This processor running stock settings when run 3dmark TimeSpy extreme with rtx4090 at stock settings as well, it didn't go beyond 660w (monitored from 3pin socket power meter) and temperature is around 60c plus not exceeding 70c. I think it's because not productivity workload and when on gaming workload the temperature and power efficiency are fantastic. 
To me I feel there is no need to purposely undervolt or cap the PL1 PL2 TDP, just let it at stock because it feel great to have this auto overclocking feature to boost up when it requires the speed and power.
Btw in normal life scenario, i think only 1% of the world population will run 100% load 24/7 right. We are definitely not them, so no need to be over worrying about the 100c temp you see in youtube review.
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Gee thanks for your review. Im tempted to get it since its quite cheap but I wasn't gonna OC anyhow so was thinking if I need it to prevent bend damaging the CPU in long run.
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Another option I read is that users of aftermarket cooler with metal backplate could install the backplate and tighten up the mounting screws before installing/ reinstalling the CPU, so that it should give the mobo more rigidity and prevent excessive bending during CPU installation.

Can anyone verify this?
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Nov 19 2022, 08:49 AM)
Gee thanks for your review. Im tempted to get it since its quite cheap but I wasn't gonna OC anyhow so was thinking if I need it to prevent bend damaging the CPU in long run.
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Just do it bro, but don't get the one without brand. Mine is the Thermaltake one or grizzly which is stupidly overpriced at rm1xx
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Nov 19 2022, 01:00 PM)
Another option I read is that users of aftermarket cooler with metal backplate could install the backplate and tighten up the mounting screws before installing/ reinstalling the CPU, so that it should give the mobo more rigidity and prevent excessive bending during CPU installation.

Can anyone verify this?
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Can just mount the cpu then just evenly release the tension by loosening the 4 mounting screws very slightly ... until the cpu bow is no more use a very flat card and torchlight to check.
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Hi guys, I need some help. I recently purchase a new rig with Core i7 13700K (to replace LGA1156).

I did some video converting task and run HWmonitor, found out that CPU temperature hit 90 Degrees. (some core reach 100 occasionally). I think this is not good for the system please correct me if I'm wrong. The processor load for E core is almost 100% but P core is still like less than 30% load. Is it something normal? ( Sorry for asking as 1156 era does not have those special core term, and kinda newbie on this )

I did some research that undervolting will help to reduce the temperature and maybe improve the overall performance as well. I read the guideline in website, its seems like its not hard to toggle it, just need you guys to share with me, usually the safest voltage undervolt is how much for 13th Gen processor? I know its random, but maybe just a rough idea where I can start to be careful on value.
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Dec 8 2022, 10:19 AM)
Hi guys, I need some help. I recently purchase a new rig with Core i7 13700K (to replace LGA1156).

I did some video converting task and run HWmonitor, found out that CPU temperature hit 90 Degrees. (some core reach 100 occasionally).  I think this is not good for the system please correct me if I'm wrong. The processor load for E core is almost 100% but P core is still like less than 30% load. Is it something normal? ( Sorry for asking as 1156 era does not have those special core term, and kinda newbie on this )

I did some research that undervolting will help to reduce the temperature and maybe improve the overall performance as well. I read the guideline in website, its seems like its not hard to toggle it, just need you guys to share with me, usually the safest voltage undervolt is how much for 13th Gen processor? I know its random, but maybe just a rough idea where I can start to be careful on value.
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u can try set to eco mode in ur windows setting, the temp wont shoot up 100c but u only get 50% performance when bench

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Dec 8 2022, 10:19 AM)
Hi guys, I need some help. I recently purchase a new rig with Core i7 13700K (to replace LGA1156).

I did some video converting task and run HWmonitor, found out that CPU temperature hit 90 Degrees. (some core reach 100 occasionally).  I think this is not good for the system please correct me if I'm wrong. The processor load for E core is almost 100% but P core is still like less than 30% load. Is it something normal? ( Sorry for asking as 1156 era does not have those special core term, and kinda newbie on this )

I did some research that undervolting will help to reduce the temperature and maybe improve the overall performance as well. I read the guideline in website, its seems like its not hard to toggle it, just need you guys to share with me, usually the safest voltage undervolt is how much for 13th Gen processor? I know its random, but maybe just a rough idea where I can start to be careful on value.
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Check your fan direction.
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post Dec 8 2022, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(clovercliff @ Dec 8 2022, 10:43 AM)
u can try set to eco mode in ur windows setting, the temp wont shoot up 100c but u only get 50% performance when bench
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is there any other way by reducing temperature without losing so much performance?


QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Dec 8 2022, 10:47 AM)
Check your fan direction.
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I double check the fan and its correct. 3 front fan intake, then 2 cpu fan blowing towards back, and 3 intake fans blow up beneth graphic card.

I can double check the second CPU fans cause its sandwiched between the headsink. but other fans are confirmed placed in correct direction


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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Dec 8 2022, 12:02 PM)
is there any other way by reducing temperature without losing so much performance?
I double check the fan and its correct. 3 front fan intake, then 2 cpu fan blowing towards back, and 3 intake fans blow up beneth graphic card.

I can double check the second CPU fans cause its sandwiched between the headsink. but other fans are confirmed placed in correct direction
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Something is wrong some where. Better open and replace the termal and triple check the fan direction.
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Dec 8 2022, 10:19 AM)
Hi guys, I need some help. I recently purchase a new rig with Core i7 13700K (to replace LGA1156).

I did some video converting task and run HWmonitor, found out that CPU temperature hit 90 Degrees. (some core reach 100 occasionally).  I think this is not good for the system please correct me if I'm wrong. The processor load for E core is almost 100% but P core is still like less than 30% load. Is it something normal? ( Sorry for asking as 1156 era does not have those special core term, and kinda newbie on this )

I did some research that undervolting will help to reduce the temperature and maybe improve the overall performance as well. I read the guideline in website, its seems like its not hard to toggle it, just need you guys to share with me, usually the safest voltage undervolt is how much for 13th Gen processor? I know its random, but maybe just a rough idea where I can start to be careful on value.
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Dec 8 2022, 10:19 AM)
Hi guys, I need some help. I recently purchase a new rig with Core i7 13700K (to replace LGA1156).

I did some video converting task and run HWmonitor, found out that CPU temperature hit 90 Degrees. (some core reach 100 occasionally).  I think this is not good for the system please correct me if I'm wrong. The processor load for E core is almost 100% but P core is still like less than 30% load. Is it something normal? ( Sorry for asking as 1156 era does not have those special core term, and kinda newbie on this )

I did some research that undervolting will help to reduce the temperature and maybe improve the overall performance as well. I read the guideline in website, its seems like its not hard to toggle it, just need you guys to share with me, usually the safest voltage undervolt is how much for 13th Gen processor? I know its random, but maybe just a rough idea where I can start to be careful on value.
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Thats 12900K in disguise. Is your cooler good enough? My Corsair H150i Elite Capellix can get 90+C when I push it. It is normal.
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post Dec 8 2022, 02:59 PM

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Can we just use the 13700K by just capping the max power to like 150-180W? it still provide ample performance without the high temps.

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