Hi Sifus,
I'm in a bit of dilemma on which B660m mobo to go for, either:
MSI Pro B660m-A
or
Asrock B660m PG Riptide

I'm not into the overclocking, but I would like the VRMs to have enough headroom to run a 12700F maxed w/o power limits. Both these boards seems to be the most affordable which will do that, the Riptide being RM 50 cheaper, however it uses Sinopower Mosfets vs the MSI Pro using doubled AON fets.

My key concern is, which mobo will have better longevity running that much power over 5-7 years. I'm tempted towards the Riptide as it has better features (USB-C), better looks (built in IO plate), more fan headers, I would like to run with 4 RAMs eventually and one reviewer had managed to run 4x Teamgroup Deltas with XMP@3600MT stable.

But OTOH the MSI has many positives from Western based reviewers, the Riptide did not have so much being an Asian limited mobo. Going thru the MSI forums, it would seem many users are facing issues of running even 2x RAMs with XMP@3600MT, tho mostly is due to CPU VCCSA.

So dear sifus, I hope for some advice which should I go for and why you'd prefer one over the other.


Another question I have, going for longevity should I keep the stock ILM, as in will the bend be a problem to the CPU long term, or should I use Thermalright corrector plate (or the washer mod)?

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Sep 25 2022, 10:51 PM

Ahh thanks for the feedback guys!

@zemega
You might wanna look into this
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/sup...8/graphics.html

Hi Goldfries! Yes I did saw ur review on that board, including TYC's!
In fact, im looking into making almost an exact setup that Brian did, and becuz I saw he could run 4 sticks of Teamgroup Delta 3600MT RAM at XMP stably. The thing is, ur Asrock board is using Sinopower VRMS while the MSI is supposedly of better quality ones?

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Sep 28 2022, 02:01 AM

Zen4 will default boost up to 95oC under stock settings so it depends on how best(affordable?) you can cool it, air coolers will have lesser headroom (hence less speed) than > 240 AIO > 360 AIO > 420 AIO > custom loop.
Unlike 12/13Gen, with Zen4 you'd need a radical rethinking of how to get the best cooling solution that meeting ur needs regardless of the CPU model.

Okay thanks for the assurance. Im not too fond of too much RGB actually so want to ask ur opinion which 3600MT dual RAM kits you'd recommend to get.

Spending money to upgrade mobo just for the OC feature is poor decision. I'd rather sell that 12400F, plus with the RM 700-800 you'd plan for the OC'able mobo, and get 12600K or 13600K in Nov. Ur current mobo isn't too trashy and should able to support i5 RL with power limiter unlocked. That would give you far more oomph for ur money than an OC mobo.

Dont trust in Giga marketing. Their B660M DS3H has trashy VRMs that will throttle i7 with power limiter unlocked. Watch Hardware Unbox review.
Only their Aorus Master lineup are of decent higher end quality but with higher end prices.

See the same Hardware Unbox review, it also has ur exact mobo. With power unlock it will max out an i5 up to 96/97oC but still within throttle max of 100oC.

Dang, I just noticed Dotatech ran out of B660M PG Riptide just about when I was aiming for a mid/end Nov build. Will the local distro be restocking this mobo soon?

On a side note, has any B660M DDR4 users been able to run with all 4 RAM sticks? Which mobo+RAM combo are you using?

Can ask ur recommendations for best undervolt settings of 12700F at full PL2 state?

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Oct 30 2022, 11:30 AM

Thanks dude! Ur advice is so much better than all those Utuber reviews that simply just ram power into the CPU to get their benchmark results.

My understanding is that CPUs have evolved to such a state that OCing is no longer a necessity anymore. Unlike the past, the core count of a recent series i7, i9 or later i5 reached to a number that is more than enough for all kinds of applications & games. Ditto with the speed, as even games are more GPU bound than CPU limited nowadays.

To me PL2 is at the peak performance/power defined. From PL2 state, you'll need to up power like 20% just to gain 10% more performance so for me OCing further than that is pointless unless benchmarking, epeen glory, or dont know what or why they did. Plus now with unlimited PL2, a regular 12700 running at full PL2 is nearly as fast as its K sku at stock full PL2. Just take care of cooling and thats it.

As a caveat, sure, OCing will net some performance gains but how much of that is tangible to the user, as in can anyone easily tell the difference between 200FPS and 220FPS kinda situation. But that is more of a GPU OC scenario rather than CPU OC...

Interesting... but dunno why their Shopee site is OOS. Somemore in chat they confirmed no stock

That is more of a game problem than a CPU issue. So far games are minimum 6 cores and do not scale much further past 8 cores. Few, like MS Flight Sim, do run better with more cores but performance isn't exponential so a threadripper won't exactly run significantly faster than i9. Rather imho it will be certain specific applications and content creations that will push CPU development instead of games. As for now game focus only can do with i5 while a general purpose use will better go i7. For i9 imho its more of a HEDT

[quote=edmund_yung,Nov 1 2022, 05:44 PM]
Well said, the 13th gen non-K is going to look really interesting!

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Indeed, if it maintains the 65W "official" TDP. Otherwise the higher power budget for 13gen K sku is a real disappointment.

Nice. I doubt a many Malaysians has such high end systems, as we can't afford as well as Westerners. Do you use it for work purpose?

Hahaha I guess its a different Malaysia that I knew... one that is complaining about how RM is shit, imported stuff (ie PC parts) are super expensive, inflation, and general unhappiness.

That specs above woulda cost RM 10,000 - 15,000 so its not ur typical Malaysian affordable level unlike in US or EU where is a lot more common.

But anyhow, if urs is not for incoming earning purposes or mining then kudos that you could comfortably afford for it. As for me, I'm gonna build a much more modest PC this 11.11 sale.

Hahaha yeah ur right, when got a 4090 its more of a RM 20k PC, not really something the average Malaysian could afford unless been saving for a half a year or something.

PS5 and Xbox X oredy has 8cores so games will soon cater for 8T or 8C CPUS. What it won't do is scale well past the 8T count as there are few incentives or rather more drawbacks if the consoles cannot play them well.
There of course are applications for massive multicore/multithreaded CPUS but otherwise games, office & normal productivity applications would not scale past a R7 / i7 CPU.
In essence current CPU tech has surpassed the apps/games that would have limited it hence why the need for OC in the past but with current CPU core count and ability to boost to PL2, there is little to gain from OCing today.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Nov 8 2022, 07:09 PM