Malaysia To Shut Down 3G Network By The End of 2021 As Part of JENDELA Implementation

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Prime Minister Muhyiddin Yassin has announced that the government will embark on a new plan called Jalinan Digital Negara (JENDELA). Conceived through the National Digital Infrastructure Lab, JENDELA mainly aims to improve the country’s digital infrastructure and to prepare Malaysia for the transition to 5G network.

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Divided into two phases, Phase 1 of JENDELA is already in progress according to PM Muhyiddin and will involve the expansion of 4G coverage in populated areas from 91.8% to 96.9%. In addition to that, another objective of Phase 1 is to increase the capability of our mobile broadband from 25Mbps to 35Mbps.

As part of Phase 1 implementation, the country’s 3G network will be deactivated in stages by the end of 2021

https://www.lowyat.net/2020/220338/malaysia...t-down-jendela/

Told you gais 3G die first We dont follow america or singapore shutdown 2G first

This post has been edited by JLA: Feb 20 2022, 08:33 AM

most of the time, I'm stuck on 3G

4G already unstable and they will kill it next year?

belum pandai jalan sudah mau lompat

The prophecy is True

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3G will be refarmed as 4G and 5G

Eleh, kalau gobind umum mesti bersorak gembira kan?

For those who think 4G is faster than 3g,
in real life situations, sometimes 3G is faster than 4G in urban, congested area. Not kampung areas.
Putting into this scenario, if they force migrate the current 3G owners over to 4G, this will seriously further congest the already congested 4G network. Already some telco admit some of their BTS stations are not fiberised.

This is very true.
Sometimes I find myself switching to 3G at night only to find its noticeably faster.

Second - I switch to 3G again because I want to save battery power. I don't need 4G horsepower when I'm idling or just Whatsapp-ing. Weaker 4G signals does sap battery power even idling.

Third - 3G signal is stronger in some cases. I've experience places whereby 4G is impossible to get, only 1 bar or nearly dead, but 3G is alive in that particular area.
The engineers seriously need to seriously retune their present 4g coverage. But sometimes complaining to Customer Service about poor coverage is like talking to the wall.

And another issue - VOLTE.
How many telcos currently are supporting VOLTE. Hardly.
You do know that when you make a call on 4G, it will switch to 3G . And if 3G were to be switched off, then how is the Non-VOLTE (regardless phone support or not) gonna work?

These are my personal views.

die like this..

some places only 3G is available..

hope those place have 4G first before 3G dies....

if not use 2G only (like the good old days)

Malaysia gov can announce anything they want but we all know how sucks they are when it comes to implementation.

So called nationwide fiber project, until now how much of the country are covered? Still shit loads of house that are still stuck on the old ADSL connection paying more for slower connection

well for me if gobind announce also I would be pissed...

u know how 4G sucks big now..

yes. u says re-farming... but can they do fast enough???
Malaysia always failed in planning & execution.. be in BN, PH or now PN/MN time... same old same old....

Actually alot of the time 4G is congested because there isnt enough bandwidth to support everyone, hence why they want to kill of 3G to allow for more 4G bandwidth. 4G is alot more efficient at spectrum utilization than 3G.

Also, 4G & 3G in general consume about the same amount of power given the signal strength is the same. 4G might save u more power cuz your phone can check for new uodates or notification much faster(provided its not congested), so the radio on ur phone can go back to sleep much faster.

As for the VoLTE, I think that will be the greatest hurdle, Maxis doesnt even have support for VoLTE yet, and many 4G capable phone do not support VoLTE(referring to older or more budget ones).

Likely I think the gov will miss the 2021 target, but i'm interested to see whats the plan going foward.

Still no fibre.

35Mbps is a joke.

Why, i still stuck on 3G on umobile, working place 4G very bad

F*ck la...
The rural area no 4g...now kill it...how...
Most of the place only 3g...
Inside house only 3g...
If they can boost the signal and speed baru chop off the 4g...
Else go f*ck themself...

They talk about 3G shutdown, but no mention of 2G. So VoLTE availability will not be an issue...yet.

Kaya rupa-rupanya Mesia nih... Banyak duit kita nak upgrade sana-sini...

So, kalu tarak 4G, kenalah guna 2G yer....?

Me think this news is still under "inception".... In the end, will be postponed until further notice... or the most popular "budaya" is U-turn...LOL...

#5G_is_fake

good news for you i guess /s... no longer stuck at 3G, you will have access to revolutionary 0G.

My Nokia 2G phone still can use

3G capital investment goes into drain?

So who vroom 2G die first? Forgot liao

And many those kampung folk too...
Still going strong with dumb 2G phone 💪🎉

Wonder is this the reason why they are retaining 2G?

Possibilities is there..

And u don't play2 with them...
If angry with government policy.. really GG because the power they all have in the position of many parliament seats... They decided.. not the super big urban areas...

U think why there's also no end life policy for old cars???
Same like 2G lorh... Many still using them.... U touch them. GG for u & your government...

IoT(Internet of Things) , M2M(Machine to Machine), Telemetry, SMS, cellular widest coverage at remote place. 2G phone

3G tower will be upgrade to 4G. 3G spectrum refarming to 4G

I choose not to believe it until it has happened. Based on the current political scene, for whatever announced policy it’s better to just keep in view...

Telkomsel Pilih Suntik Mati 3G Daripada 2G
masih ada 47 persen pengguna Telkomsel yang menggunakan ponsel 'jadul' (zaman dulu).

Indosat Belum Mau Matikan Jaringan 2G
masih banyak pelanggan-pelanggan yang pakai handset jadul [jaman dahulu]. Jadi yang 2G itu masih di atas 20 persen,"

Direktur Teknologi XL Axiata Yessie D Yosetya mengatakan pihaknya bakal mematikan jaringan 2G karena pengguna tinggal 10 persen dari total pengguna.

Elisa Plans To Shut Down Finnish 3G Network In 2023
After 2023, customers who have a telephone that supports 3G will automatically be transferred to the 2G network, which will continue as before.

4G is much faster than 3G.

But malaysia 2" telco never implement the full spectrum of 4G.

So we are only 2" 4 G

Did a speedtest early this Sunday morning at a Maxis tower I'm very familiar and its frequently connected to.
Running on Maxis got around 46.6Mbps.



And this is celcom, when its quite near the tower.



When i'm back in my home, I got half (around 26Mbps), which is fine. But sometimes can get below 10Mbps even.
What tells me , if this is the max bandwidth for maxis in my area is around 46Mbps, imagine when its during the weekday .

46.6Mbps / 3Mbps per user (assuming one uses their Unlimited plan) = 15.5 users per sector.

Whether its a spectrum issue or due to back-haul issue, is another question.

Haha...
Understand...
They keep going U Turn on various policy & plans..
No firm on any decisions... Got backlash from the people, enough to make them cancel 😂

Postal worker needs more business. Sending snail mail to communicate when there is no 3G and 4G

I really doubt Maxis tower's backbone is less than 50mbps, it depends on the Band frequency of 4G youre connected to. I dont have the numbers for Maxis, but Digi's 4G network runs on 4 different bands. Band 1, 3, 7 & 8. Different Bands have different bandwidth. Digi's Band 3& 7 each is 20Mhz(same for Maxis AFAIK). Band 8 is 5Mhz & Band 3 is 10Mhz. Band 8 being only 5Mhz only has a theoretical max throughput of about 35mbps whereas Band 7 & Band 3 each can do 150Mbps each. Band 1(2100) is actually refarmed from 3G because Digi has 15Mhz chunk for 2100Mhz. So some area 10Mhz is for 4G & 5MHz is for 3G. Same for Band 8 which is 5 for 4G + 5 for 2G.

The reason 2G is know for its coverage is due to the use of 900Mhz(Band8 for 4G). Thats why Digi has made efforts to roll out 4G exclusively with B8 in many rural areas. Band 8 is key for good indoor signal penetration, so killing off 2G would allow for that.

Band 1 would be also be helpful to supplement B3 & B7 if those gets congested. Not only that, your phone can do CA(carrier aggregation) with two of the least congested bands for better through put(eg B3+B7 or B3+B1). These are all not possible on 3G. Since most will be connected to 4G, the spectrum allocated to 3G would be wasted, hence why sometimes 3G can be faster because phones default to 4G.

Phasing out 3G is bound to happen eventually, its just that 2021 is too early still(at least for malaysia) Singapore doesnt even have any real plans of shutting down their 3G that soon either.

Most of the time congestion is due to a lack of spectrum, not due to back-bone, but i'm not in this industry so i know nothing. sifu prosibu please enlighten us

How hard is it to migrate those M2M to 4G? I'd assume it is very tedious and might be impossible for some.

Don't think he knows what he was talking

Don't think he knows what he was talking when 5G awards were a mess

Normally those telco towers that have fiber backhaul network have speeds up to 1Gbps. This speed is then gets split to the number of users connected to that telco towers.

In Malaysia, most of the telco towers are still connected with copper backhaul networks which have slow speeds. Only less than 50 percent of towers in Malaysia have fiber backhaul networks. It costs a lot to set up a fiber backhaul network.

That means 2G still maintain, but only 3G signal shutdown?

Looks to me like that.

Gov forced umobile and unifi mobile to go faster, pure 4G + 5G
If not we will stuck with 2G

This post has been edited by poh880: Aug 30 2020, 04:58 PM

Those teeminal e wallet, credit card use 2G or 3G? If 3G GG lo

sure 3G

5G pun takde lagi, wanna kill off 3G and not 2G. What a joke.

On a more serious note, I would like to see how the implementation of 5G would be in Malaysia, be it Low band (600~700Mhz), Sub-6 or mmWave.

Wawasan 2020 dicapati.

so it time for me to dig up my old sony ericsson handphone...
since only can use edge...

Vehicle tracking like Katsana all using 2G.

Vehicle tracking like Katsana all using 2G.

just fyi im still using this Huawei 3g+WiFi modem.
9 years i owned it. though it can support 2g mode i wonder how to survive with Edge data speed.
If they do shutdown next year i Will have to put it into retirement.

https://shop.katsana.com/product/covert-gps...acker-for-cars/
RM949.00 exc. SST
Technical Specification
GSM/GPRS features:

Quad-band 900/1800 MHz; 850/1900 MHz
GPRS Multi-Slot Class 12(up to 240 kbps)
GPRS Mobile Station Class B
SMS (text/data)

budget version GPS tracker
https://shopee.com.my/protrackgpstracker

power by celcom. No spec
https://www.fleetmy.com/personal

fleet tracking service backed by Digi Telecommunications Sdn. Bhd.
https://ifleet.my/ifleet-gps-tracker-specs

This post has been edited by JLA: Aug 30 2020, 10:34 PM

Here's a real story:

Was queuing to pay via e-Wallet. Suddenly, the line dropped from 4G to H+... Luckily can still pay ... Imagine, line dropped to EDGE, the e-Wallet app cannot even loading leeyyyhhh... LOL...

So, before terminating the 3G spectrum, make sure test properly the stability and reliability of LTE loohhh... Jangan suka2 terminate tanpa alasan yg konkrit...

MySejahtera app loaded after 60 seconds under EDGE spectrum....LOL



This post has been edited by azhar75: Aug 31 2020, 05:49 PM

This particular tower that i spotted is in some remote area, so I doubt its fibered.
Yes there are fiber-ed towers, usually at shophouses.

Take example of this tower with the microwave backhaul transmitter circled in red:


So i'm not saying you are wrong about wireless spectrum bandwidth either. There are variations to this. And this is one of the possibilities - Microwave backhaul.

Now the next question is how each telcos will refarm their 3G spectrum into 4G to improve coverage. Coverage is essential. Followed by speed.
Only the network engineers would know. We're just guessing.

yeah, and if we continue to keep 3g, our telcos will never be serious with 4g. right now, 3g is backbone for data and 4g is just a supporting network.

irrelevant
MySejahtera app can work with 0G @ no internet

how to call somebody if VOLTE still not available for certain phone?

Will drop to 2G

The phone should go down to 2G during calls if no VoLTE.

The plan to shutdown 3G is flawed, this dumb government didn't bother to think much of the outcome when coming up with this idea.

Yes, 3G is bound to be retired in the future, but 2021 is too early considering the fact that we have too much issues with our network.

The biggest problem is not all telcos have proper VoLTE support yet (and don't tell me about Celcom because it's only available for iPhones), imagine having to rely on 2G for voice calls, it will affect the usage and probably even the battery life when our phone suddenly switches to 2G.

Another problem is some apps can barely even run on 2G. It's ironic that they encourage people to go cashless and use e wallets but then e wallets will have a hard time loading when running on 2G.

This government is dumb and this plan is flawed and that's a fact.

Agreed, 2G runs on 2100MHz and 900MHz in Malaysia, they should kill 2G and refarm the 2G spectrum to LTE. Hope for the best that VoLTE is implemented or Forced by the Govt to be implemented nationwide before the death of 3G.

Don't think the govt knows what's VoLTE, otherwise they would've force telcos to do so way back then.

Digi and U Mobile been having VoLTE for ages now, I just don't get why it would take so many years for Maxis and Celcom to even launch such simple tech to consumers, and now it's not even widely available yet.

This post has been edited by xperiaDROID: Sep 6 2020, 03:12 PM

xperiaDROID,

If that Kizaru Minister couldn't get his facts right about that Sabahan tree girl what makes one think that he would understand 3g is crucial in some rural or even certain parts of KV whereby 4g signal is weak.

Like moonsatelite suggested, should just refarm 2G into 4g.

Someone should start a petition against shutting down 3G And leaving 2g turned on.
I doubt MCMC did a proper survey on how many users are on 2G

Removing 3G, remain 2G, - >
2G phone still can be used,
3G phone can use 2g,
4G phone csfb to 2G,
m2m services remained
2G coverage confirm wider than 3G?

Removing 2G, remain 3G ->
2G phone dead
M2M service dead
2G only coverage no coverage

Urban 3G cant browsing/watsapps, i din see any difference for removing 2G and removing 3G
I think soyacincau has posted the survey that still have many users using feature phone (2G phone)

Many will think csfb only applicable to 3g...
Or they tot 2G will be shutdown too...

So far 3G is not usable for me except volte call drop to 3G

2100mhz only for 3G and 4G at the moment. And most of the phone doesn't support 2100mhz GSM.

UMobile use all 2100mhz for 4G (15mhz)
Digi/maxis/celcom. 3G(5mhz)4G (10mhz)

900mhz is the premium spectrum as can be used for 2345G and iot.
Digi uses it as 4G,
UM use it as 3G(will go 4G for sure in 2022)
Celcom and maxis use them as mixture of 234G and iot due to having large spectrum bandwidth (10mhz)

From here u can see that there is barely spectrum available for 2G as there are technology to balance the 1800mhz spectrum for 24G.
Meaning, if there is no 2G users, the spectrum will be reallocated to 4G.
Same goes to opposite way.

Hence, removal of 3G is a good choice in this situation.

Many still using 3G only devices. After 3G gone, these devices will connect at 2G. 4G will have major improvement though.

Where got 3G only devices ? as far as i know 3G devices have GSM support.

Phones before 4G are mostly HSPDA only devices. I have plenty of such devices at home from PCMCIA cards to mobile hotspot. Still usable for backup. Some older laptops also shipped with a 3G modem inside. My old ThinkPad X61T for example. Still works but at 3G speeds.

Without 3G later, these devices will connect at EDGE speeds which is terribly slow.

Why not they give 3g bette, r shut down 2 g completely haih 4g take alot battery

Because if shut down 2G, later those ppl who still using Nokia button phone will go MCMC throw egg...

Judehow non stop say 4G drain battery
Better buy no 4G phone

IMO shutting down 3g in 2021 is just too soon, when 4g doesn't get fixed and they want to shutdown 3g... thats a lack of foresight here.

And 4g/2g can be used in a MSR mode as demonstrated in taiwan (in chinese):
https://chinese.engadget.com/chinese-2017-0...-2g-900mhz.html

And regards to convert 3g towers to 4g towers, you have to consider adding the current bulk of 3g users and current 4g users in these new 4g towers, and then...

Network congestion again?

Already say in previous post, 3G is unusable now at most of the area, and there must be some stats that 2g only devices are way more than 3g only devices at the moment.



Mentioned this already in previous post, that is why the 2G is still exist today. Go search dss at zte web, im sure huawei also have such tech

3g barely can use for watsapp, let along browsing/utube.
Give way to 4G is the only way.
Nowadays 2G using less/spectrum compared to 3G as mentioned by surrodox

Also, please please remember
2G = 0.2mhz = ??
3G = 5mhz = 21mbps , (21mbps per 5mhz block)
DC-H+ = 10mhz = 42mbps
4G = 20mhz = 150mbps ( around 33mbps per 5mhz block)
5G = 100mhz = 1gbps (around 50mbps per 5mhz block)

U can c that 3G migration to 4G will not have same congestion issue but 50% more capacity (21mbps -> 33mbps)
Forget about DC HSPA. Most of the telco ad left 5mhz 3G.
That is the main reason y 3G is slower n slower nowadays.

In Malaysia we are already doing that, 2G&4G for 900Mhz & 3G&4G for 2100Mhz.

Celcom and digi using 1800/900mhz spectrum for 2G. some congested area 1800mhz 2G radio change to 4G,

Telco already turn off half 2100mhz 3G block for 4G at some congested area.

Now i'm posting on 3g and I can get good speeds, definitely usable for youtube/browsing...

Lolx, that is y i written most of the place.
If ur 3G coverage replaced by 4G, y not?

Lol should not off 3 g also later trow bigger eggs😄

This post has been edited by judehow: Sep 10 2020, 01:30 PM

3G vs 4G same device same location

The best way, OFF 2G and 3G sekali..

Old folk ppl and teenagers will bring eggs and "bowling" ball throw to MCMC..

Then i need use mamak wifi lo
On my working location, umobile indoor signal strength mostly -105 to -110dBm on 4G
In 3G, around -85 to -95dBm

See what happend later

Same here. Still using 3g .
However it's unfortunate my area is getting up to only 2Mbps on the old 3G modem , where it can get 5mbps+ in some areas). Already reported to Digi for this matter.
My guess maybe the 3g tower still on Streamyx backhaul.

Still able to stream Viu smoothly and YouTube 360p.

Well it depends on telco perhaps...

My umobile at home is quite slow in 3g, much better in 4g.

From my Huawei 3g modem. HSPA 7.2mbps rated.
Also Digi.
Location: Genting

2G they should shut I down not 3G
Talk about 5G,village and rural areas only have 3G connection.
If you want to shutdown 3G 2 options only
1.4G must be covered in rural/village areas
2forget about it (shutdown 3G)

This post has been edited by ezekieldavidchong: Sep 12 2020, 04:55 PM

car immobilizer, wireless credit card terminal use 2G too. This under M2M

many mall e wallet, credit card, food delivery terminal use 2G?

I wonder about what kind of G/frequency that emergency number w/o sim uses?

I don’t think they should shutdown 3G.3G it now widely use,hopefully rural and village(kampung) got 4G coverage end of next year.Better to leave it as it is then to shutdown 3G

Either 2g or 3g would do, they are both circuit switch services

It depends on operators d. Logically should be replace 3G with 4G instead of just shut the 3G down..

Kampung might have 2G serving them if dun have volte phones / using feature phone.

Dear UM,

You may immediately kill ur HSPA spectrum edy...let LTE covers my whole house ya... LOL...

Bro, your umobile signal Serving Cell at -110 dbm is means you are quite far away from the tower (or some obstruction in the LOS tower ) . Est around 1kM plus distance.
Because I see your RSNR and RSRQ is okay. Ping and jitter is fine.
Not gonna touch about the Bands though.

Same with your OneXOX .

Preferably signal should be around -95dbm (green zone) plus onwards.

Here is my wonderful Maxis. Sort off.


And speedtest , literally shit bricks:


High RSRQ due to congestion. and the tower is far

P.s - Your Network cell info interface looks abit different than mine. Maybe reacts to different phones. I'm using old Galaxy A5.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Sep 15 2020, 06:15 PM

Me using the Pro version... Urs is Limited Technology version...

The signal kind of bouncing between 2 to full bars lately... dunno maybe got "monkeys" touching the cell towers...LOL...

Later when 3G is shut down, and got "monkeys" vandalizing the cell towers, we all will be using EDGE the whole week ya.... "Segala Kesulitan Amatlah Dikesali"... "sudah terhantuk baru terngadah"....



This post has been edited by azhar75: Sep 15 2020, 06:24 PM

It is logical but not a smart move....if they can replace with 4G then is ok.some place can’t receive a 4G signal H+ is maximum.So if thy shutdown 3G without improving the coverage, we will on 2G and those flexible people that work anywhere/anytime will definite curse if that place has no coverage or 4G.

It is logical but not a smart move....if they can replace with 4G then is ok.some place can’t receive a 4G signal H+ is maximum.So if thy shutdown 3G without improving the coverage, we will on 2G and those flexible people that work anywhere/anytime will definite curse if that place has no coverage or 4G.

Agreed. My kampung in Johor can only get 3G. I don't expect the area to have 4G anytime soon. Its so hulu.