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Malaysia Shut Down 3G Network By The End of TBA, Long life 2G

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SleeplessEyes	Aug 29 2020, 06:27 PM Return to original view \| Post #1
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	For those who think 4G is faster than 3g, in real life situations, sometimes 3G is faster than 4G in urban, congested area. Not kampung areas. Putting into this scenario, if they force migrate the current 3G owners over to 4G, this will seriously further congest the already congested 4G network. Already some telco admit some of their BTS stations are not fiberised. This is very true. Sometimes I find myself switching to 3G at night only to find its noticeably faster. Second - I switch to 3G again because I want to save battery power. I don't need 4G horsepower when I'm idling or just Whatsapp-ing. Weaker 4G signals does sap battery power even idling. Third - 3G signal is stronger in some cases. I've experience places whereby 4G is impossible to get, only 1 bar or nearly dead, but 3G is alive in that particular area. The engineers seriously need to seriously retune their present 4g coverage. But sometimes complaining to Customer Service about poor coverage is like talking to the wall. And another issue - VOLTE. How many telcos currently are supporting VOLTE. Hardly. You do know that when you make a call on 4G, it will switch to 3G . And if 3G were to be switched off, then how is the Non-VOLTE (regardless phone support or not) gonna work? These are my personal views. spy1hitman, vanpersie91, and 1 other liked this post
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SleeplessEyes	Aug 30 2020, 09:40 AM Return to original view \| Post #2
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(jack2001 @ Aug 29 2020, 07:38 PM) Actually alot of the time 4G is congested because there isnt enough bandwidth to support everyone, hence why they want to kill of 3G to allow for more 4G bandwidth. 4G is alot more efficient at spectrum utilization than 3G. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Also, 4G & 3G in general consume about the same amount of power given the signal strength is the same. 4G might save u more power cuz your phone can check for new uodates or notification much faster(provided its not congested), so the radio on ur phone can go back to sleep much faster. As for the VoLTE, I think that will be the greatest hurdle, Maxis doesnt even have support for VoLTE yet, and many 4G capable phone do not support VoLTE(referring to older or more budget ones). Likely I think the gov will miss the 2021 target, but i'm interested to see whats the plan going foward. Did a speedtest early this Sunday morning at a Maxis tower I'm very familiar and its frequently connected to. Running on Maxis got around 46.6Mbps. And this is celcom, when its quite near the tower. When i'm back in my home, I got half (around 26Mbps), which is fine. But sometimes can get below 10Mbps even. What tells me , if this is the max bandwidth for maxis in my area is around 46Mbps, imagine when its during the weekday . 46.6Mbps / 3Mbps per user (assuming one uses their Unlimited plan) = 15.5 users per sector. Whether its a spectrum issue or due to back-haul issue, is another question.
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SleeplessEyes	Aug 30 2020, 07:16 PM Return to original view \| Post #3
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Aug 30 2020, 07:07 PM) so it time for me to dig up my old sony ericsson handphone... since only can use edge... just fyi im still using this Huawei 3g+WiFi modem. 9 years i owned it. though it can support 2g mode i wonder how to survive with Edge data speed. If they do shutdown next year i Will have to put it into retirement.
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SleeplessEyes	Sep 1 2020, 01:43 PM Return to original view \| Post #4
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(jack2001 @ Aug 30 2020, 11:28 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I really doubt Maxis tower's backbone is less than 50mbps, it depends on the Band frequency of 4G youre connected to. I dont have the numbers for Maxis, but Digi's 4G network runs on 4 different bands. Band 1, 3, 7 & 8. Different Bands have different bandwidth. Digi's Band 3& 7 each is 20Mhz(same for Maxis AFAIK). Band 8 is 5Mhz & Band 3 is 10Mhz. Band 8 being only 5Mhz only has a theoretical max throughput of about 35mbps whereas Band 7 & Band 3 each can do 150Mbps each. Band 1(2100) is actually refarmed from 3G because Digi has 15Mhz chunk for 2100Mhz. So some area 10Mhz is for 4G & 5MHz is for 3G. Same for Band 8 which is 5 for 4G + 5 for 2G. The reason 2G is know for its coverage is due to the use of 900Mhz(Band8 for 4G). Thats why Digi has made efforts to roll out 4G exclusively with B8 in many rural areas. Band 8 is key for good indoor signal penetration, so killing off 2G would allow for that. Band 1 would be also be helpful to supplement B3 & B7 if those gets congested. Not only that, your phone can do CA(carrier aggregation) with two of the least congested bands for better through put(eg B3+B7 or B3+B1). These are all not possible on 3G. Since most will be connected to 4G, the spectrum allocated to 3G would be wasted, hence why sometimes 3G can be faster because phones default to 4G. Phasing out 3G is bound to happen eventually, its just that 2021 is too early still(at least for malaysia) Singapore doesnt even have any real plans of shutting down their 3G that soon either. Most of the time congestion is due to a lack of spectrum, not due to back-bone, but i'm not in this industry so i know nothing. sifu prosibu please enlighten us This particular tower that i spotted is in some remote area, so I doubt its fibered. Yes there are fiber-ed towers, usually at shophouses. Take example of this tower with the microwave backhaul transmitter circled in red: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « So i'm not saying you are wrong about wireless spectrum bandwidth either. There are variations to this. And this is one of the possibilities - Microwave backhaul. Now the next question is how each telcos will refarm their 3G spectrum into 4G to improve coverage. Coverage is essential. Followed by speed. Only the network engineers would know. We're just guessing.
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SleeplessEyes	Sep 8 2020, 08:07 PM Return to original view \| Post #5
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	xperiaDROID, If that Kizaru Minister couldn't get his facts right about that Sabahan tree girl what makes one think that he would understand 3g is crucial in some rural or even certain parts of KV whereby 4g signal is weak. Like moonsatelite suggested, should just refarm 2G into 4g. Someone should start a petition against shutting down 3G And leaving 2g turned on. I doubt MCMC did a proper survey on how many users are on 2G
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SleeplessEyes	Sep 11 2020, 10:26 PM Return to original view \| Post #6
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(surrodox2001 @ Sep 9 2020, 10:23 PM) Now i'm posting on 3g and I can get good speeds, definitely usable for youtube/browsing... Same here. Still using 3g . However it's unfortunate my area is getting up to only 2Mbps on the old 3G modem , where it can get 5mbps+ in some areas). Already reported to Digi for this matter. My guess maybe the 3g tower still on Streamyx backhaul. Still able to stream Viu smoothly and YouTube 360p.
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SleeplessEyes	Sep 12 2020, 07:42 AM Return to original view \| Post #7
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(JLA @ Sep 11 2020, 08:34 AM) 3G vs 4G same device same location From my Huawei 3g modem. HSPA 7.2mbps rated. Also Digi. Location: Genting » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 4G cannot test on my Huawei modem. Hehe.
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SleeplessEyes	Sep 15 2020, 05:56 PM Return to original view \| Post #8
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(azhar75 @ Sep 15 2020, 05:16 PM) Dear UM, You may immediately kill ur HSPA spectrum edy...let LTE covers my whole house ya... LOL... Bro, your umobile signal Serving Cell at -110 dbm is means you are quite far away from the tower (or some obstruction in the LOS tower ) . Est around 1kM plus distance. Because I see your RSNR and RSRQ is okay. Ping and jitter is fine. Not gonna touch about the Bands though. Same with your OneXOX . Preferably signal should be around -95dbm (green zone) plus onwards. Here is my wonderful Maxis. Sort off. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « And speedtest , literally shit bricks: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « High RSRQ due to congestion. and the tower is far P.s - Your Network cell info interface looks abit different than mine. Maybe reacts to different phones. I'm using old Galaxy A5. This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Sep 15 2020, 06:15 PM
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SleeplessEyes	Sep 17 2020, 09:51 AM Return to original view \| Post #9
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(azhar75 @ Sep 16 2020, 05:46 PM) Amek kau... if 3G is shut down and everybody in this mall connected to LTE, habislah network...lucky 3G is still active. Me switch to 3G all the way and happy user for now... later 3G is gone, we all suffers together-gether... LOL... #BilaTerhantukBaruTerngadah You sir have just broken the 3G record (for me) . The fastest I've gotten on a 3G is around 12Mbps, and the signal was very strong that I think the tower is nearby. And you prove a point too . Overcrowded 4G is not any better than underutilized 3G. QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 16 2020, 10:46 PM) That's why I against shutting down of 3G.. Yet some people says it's needed to make 4G better... So in the process of shutting down & reallocate to 4G... That period everyone suffer 😂 can take few weeks to months tho (since Malaysia standard always slow & take it easy).. so don't complaint huh 🤣 What I feel is that some users think - 4G is the newer tech than 3G and 3G is like stone age tech and needs to go. So I too , is against 3G shutdown. We need an online petition to "peacefully protest" against shutting down 3G.
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SleeplessEyes	Sep 21 2020, 01:00 PM Return to original view \| Post #10
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	Here is also my side of the story. About the DIGI 3G in where I live. Rants below: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « On Saturday I lodged a report to DIGI, saying that the 3G , where I live (Subang Jaya), barely can hit above 2Mbps. I also take into account that my old Huawei 3G Broadband modem is only capable of HSPA 7.2Mbps standards. I have tested in Port Dickson, Genting First World, and other parts of Subang , and they all managed at least 3-4Mbps, best also 5.2Mbps. I told the CS that I have already ran speedtest in these areas. Then today, a CS rep called me said that they have checked : Found that my area have some weak spot , despite the high signal strength. So they told me the resolution: Have I tried 4g? I told them - Yes, obviously 4G is faster. And their final say: Nothing can be done Its either "live with it" or change to 4G. That kinda pissed me off, so I told them off: "Aku tau korang xnak baiki menda ni sebab tahun depan dah nak tutupkan 3G, kan Muyideen hari tu dah cakap". And the CS just replied "Itu saya x tau. saya cuma terima feedback (from the engineer whomever)" . (Whether he is aware or he cant say it out - due to calls being recorded - that I dont know) FYI, I have been keeping track of the towers (via Cell ID identification) and I found 3 towers , and 1 of them is shitty slow. The rest seems (or all 3 towers) seem to be connected with ancient Streamyx ADSL backhaul . My EC/IO level is fine. So if this is the level of telcos just ignoring customer complain, imagine when they migrate the spectrum into 4G.
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SleeplessEyes	Sep 21 2020, 03:26 PM Return to original view \| Post #11
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 21 2020, 02:32 PM) . Maybe it's time for you to buy a 4G modem-router dongle. Quite cheap yo.! ....... Yeah thanks for the suggestion bro. I have been eyeing for that China USB 4G modem router, but I was considering the other one: Portable Hotspot 4G CPE Router Wifi Router Wan / Lan Port Dual External Antenna Unlock Wireless Cpe Router with Sim Card Slot Cause it has external antennas at least. Very cheap though, that USB 4G modem. Or I could opt for Digi's Postpaid BB plans, and pay extra RM 9 x 12 months (plus upfront Rm 120) for their TP Link MR200 router. Meanwhile me use the 3G first until Mooyideen shuts it down. FYI, I got this Huawei modem for "free" when i sub to Maxis 3G wireless BB, back in 2011. Contract was only 1 year that time. Thats why I feel reluctant to "retire" it. So by 2021 - Its 10 years old
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SleeplessEyes	Sep 25 2020, 10:06 AM Return to original view \| Post #12
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(hey_nello @ Sep 25 2020, 09:44 AM) 3.5G is adequate for most people.. HSPA+ can go up to 21mbps My Unifi last time 10mbps also more than enough » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 4G is up to 1Gbps = 1000mbps.. who needs that? I never turned on 4G on my phone.. It just sucks the battery with no noticable benefit.. I tell u try change your setting to 3G for a day or two and u will be surprised by how much battery life u gained.. Now we are going to 5G 5G can go up to 35Gbps = 35000mbps.. Again who needs that? While Veveonah still climbing trees for signal.. Just to correct you, in real life. 3.5G / HSPA+ barely can hit 21Mbps . If you did , you're lucky. No one is using the tower. 4G , never will hit 1GBps. Fastest I've done also is 100+ Mbps standing next to the tower on a Sunday morning. So yes, you are correct, who the heck needs ultra high speed? Aside to JLA, If they (MCMC) expect to achieve 100% coverage 4G they better walk the talk and ensure telcos meed standards. Including covering all the hutans and hidden villages . Take a look at IMDA Singapore report here: Quality of Service Performance Results for Jan – Mar 2019 Singapore can achieve 100% because their IMDA consistently test the coverage themselves.
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SleeplessEyes	Sep 25 2020, 12:31 PM Return to original view \| Post #13
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(JLA @ Sep 25 2020, 11:24 AM) read the fine print Haha yeah..that means MCMC is indirectly saying: We are not responsible if we cant achieve 100% coverage measurement or statistic. Come on MCMC, aren't you supposed to control and regulate telcos? Why are they letting telcos set their rules. Be more aggressive . So let's see after 2 years later, what will their report come out.. will it achieve 96.9% or just under (like 93%) .
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SleeplessEyes	Dec 22 2020, 05:09 PM Return to original view \| IPv6 \| Post #14
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(JLA @ Dec 19 2020, 08:11 AM) Celcom will upgrade an additional 3,600 network sites with more capacity to address video buffering issues and deliver better voice quality, including Voice-over-LTE (VoLTE) for consumers, targeted to be completed by August 2021. https://www.malaysianwireless.com/2020/12/c...-upgrades-2021/ » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « What are the certified VoLTE smartphones that can enjoy VoLTE for now? All iPhone 6s Plus and above (latest iOS 14.2) Selected VoLTE certified Android devices (latest Android 11.0 software) What should I do to activate VoLTE? VoLTE will be activated automatically when your smartphone is connected to the Celcom 4G LTE network. Make sure that your iPhone has the minimum of iOS 13.3 installed as well as the latest mobile network setting, and the VoLTE option is turned on. How to turn on VoLTE in Android Devices If the Device is VoLTE certified, it will turn on automatically Please refer to the device manufacturer for further information https://www.celcom.com.my/support/faq/gener...es-celcom-volte The irony of this VoLTE is not all sets get supported. Like for example my Galaxy A5 has VoLTE but not supported by Celcom. Why cant VoLTE be standardized to be supported by all Android versions regardless telco and handphone model. BTW mine is Android 9.0. Not too old but not the latest either. But it still works.
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SleeplessEyes	Mar 3 2021, 10:33 AM Return to original view \| Post #15
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(akhito @ Dec 18 2020, 10:09 PM) Got roadmap ald. Hope they really improve 2G cuz someplace 2g cannot pakai also if 3g also dun have then dummy phone will still die. Say got 2g but actually none haha. Some telco phase out 2G 1st but now goverment tell them to phase out 3g. Coming year would be bumpy for user without VOLTE support QUOTE(tympg @ Mar 3 2021, 10:20 AM) 2G GSM will still be around. Thats why Im still hoping they are not stupid enough to sunset 2G even. I guess those in favour of 3G will have like 9 more months to enjoy till bid farewell. Singapore already terminated their 2G in 2017 and expecting to sunset their 3G by 2025 - Long way to go. BTW, for those which has 2G problems in certain areas, what I experience is that, can always report to the telco and they will fix it. Reason being is because I have a classic SE k750i, reported to Yoodo, and they fixed the 2G coverage in 2 of my common location.
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SleeplessEyes	Jun 12 2021, 10:39 AM Return to original view \| Post #16
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(extercy @ Jun 12 2021, 01:52 AM) The problem with getting rid of 2G/3G means calls and SMS can't be received unless you have VoLTE capable smartphones but to my lack of knowledge, it looks like telcos are limiting what VoLTE smartphones are allowed on their network which is a bummer. I have an Asus Zenfone 5z and someone have inquired from Asus why VoLTE is not available on Asus Zenfones but their reply was for us to check with telcos instead. So it seems that even if the smartphone manufacturer enables VoLTE but cannot detect the service due to telcos block, then that is a bit messed up. Please enlighten me. Thanks. Firstly, VOLTE is only for voice calls. Receiving SMS, you will still receive SMS even on 4G (truly 4G, no switching over to 3G/2G) . More details here: https://blog.3g4g.co.uk/2012/02/high-level-...rks-in-lte.html. Therefore if your telco is not supporting VOLTE for your phone model, as "joshhd" mentioned, it will switch to 2G upon making and receiving calls. IMO, VOLTE is like watching Youtube video quality on 720P HD when it still runs fine on 480P (3g) . Its an option, not compoulsary. (And yes, I know some will argue that VOLTE is a must, its the future, etc). extercy liked this post
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SleeplessEyes	Jul 19 2021, 09:56 AM Return to original view \| Post #17
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ Jul 19 2021, 09:37 AM) Digi just sent this sms to my phones this morning. Frustrated. At this time no money to buy another 4G phone, and they don’t want to turn on volte for ROG Phone 3. Amazing. How do they know your area and plus your number? I'm guessing via your registered address. Well happens to any telco. Switching to 4G means revenue for them. If they don't wanna turn on, give them the bird and port out to whichever telco which supports your ROG.
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SleeplessEyes	Nov 10 2021, 10:48 PM Return to original view \| IPv6 \| Post #18
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	Time to take out all the classic 2G phones..Nokia, Sony Ericsson. At least 2G still alive until "further notice". No VOLTE , nvm, still covered. Seriously, by right telcos should also optimize abit of 2.75G aka EDGE , at least its still usable for basic Whatsapp , in case 4G is weak, then can fallback temporary. I've probably mentioned this before, and I know some dislike 2G, because its slow. Slow but usable for certain applicaton.
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SleeplessEyes	Nov 11 2021, 08:15 AM Return to original view \| Post #19
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(PJng @ Sep 25 2020, 10:42 AM) Max 3G download speed that i see is 1.5MB/s on umobile Max 4G+ download is 16MB/s on digi Both are test on update apps on play store That is enough for me, no need 5G 1 year plus later - As of today 11.11.2021 My area that I live, the 3G is still on. Did a speedtest on my Hotlink and here is the result:
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SleeplessEyes	Nov 14 2021, 11:17 AM Return to original view \| Post #20
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 2,429 posts Joined: Feb 2007	QUOTE(netbeans @ Nov 11 2021, 04:58 PM) Starting today... Celcom begins 3G network shutdown QUOTE(zher4883 @ Nov 9 2021, 05:53 PM) Looking at the Jendela roadmap, possibility of extending the sunset of 3G network is practically zero. In fact, Celcom already shut down their 3G network over the Klang Valley about a week ago. Tested today, 14 Nov , on my Yoodo / Celcom Area: Subang Jaya (Petaling district) Status: Still active - Still able to use 3G data. Tried making a call to my own number, it still works. Using Cell Info - Managed to spot 2 3G towers active and able to connect. Supposedly on 11th they want to switch off the entire KV , but this is what I am seeing. Anyway, I will just monitor from time to time.
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