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 Malaysia Shut Down 3G Network By The End of TBA, Long life 2G

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post Sep 8 2020, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Sep 8 2020, 08:07 PM)
xperiaDROID,

If that Kizaru Minister couldn't get his facts right about that Sabahan tree girl what makes one think that he would understand 3g is crucial in some rural or even certain parts of KV whereby 4g signal is weak.

Like moonsatelite suggested, should just refarm 2G into 4g.

Someone should start a petition against shutting down 3G And leaving 2g turned on.
I doubt MCMC did a proper survey on how many users are on 2G
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Removing 3G, remain 2G, - >
2G phone still can be used,
3G phone can use 2g,
4G phone csfb to 2G,
m2m services remained
2G coverage confirm wider than 3G?

Removing 2G, remain 3G ->
2G phone dead
M2M service dead
2G only coverage no coverage

Urban 3G cant browsing/watsapps, i din see any difference for removing 2G and removing 3G
I think soyacincau has posted the survey that still have many users using feature phone (2G phone)
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post Sep 8 2020, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(tympg @ Sep 2 2020, 02:07 PM)
The phone should go down to 2G during calls if no VoLTE.
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Many will think csfb only applicable to 3g...
Or they tot 2G will be shutdown too...

QUOTE(xperiaDROID @ Sep 6 2020, 01:42 PM)
The plan to shutdown 3G is flawed, this dumb government didn't bother to think much of the outcome when coming up with this idea.

Yes, 3G is bound to be retired in the future, but 2021 is too early considering the fact that we have too much issues with our network.

The biggest problem is not all telcos have proper VoLTE support yet (and don't tell me about Celcom because it's only available for iPhones), imagine having to rely on 2G for voice calls, it will affect the usage and probably even the battery life when our phone suddenly switches to 2G.

Another problem is some apps can barely even run on 2G. It's ironic that they encourage people to go cashless and use e wallets but then e wallets will have a hard time loading when running on 2G.

This government is dumb and this plan is flawed and that's a fact.
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So far 3G is not usable for me except volte call drop to 3G

QUOTE(moonsatelite @ Sep 6 2020, 01:45 PM)
Agreed, 2G runs on 2100MHz and 900MHz in Malaysia, they should kill 2G and refarm the 2G spectrum to LTE. Hope for the best that VoLTE is implemented or Forced by the Govt to be implemented nationwide before the death of 3G.
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2100mhz only for 3G and 4G at the moment. And most of the phone doesn't support 2100mhz GSM.

UMobile use all 2100mhz for 4G (15mhz)
Digi/maxis/celcom. 3G(5mhz)4G (10mhz)

900mhz is the premium spectrum as can be used for 2345G and iot.
Digi uses it as 4G,
UM use it as 3G(will go 4G for sure in 2022)
Celcom and maxis use them as mixture of 234G and iot due to having large spectrum bandwidth (10mhz)

From here u can see that there is barely spectrum available for 2G as there are technology to balance the 1800mhz spectrum for 24G.
Meaning, if there is no 2G users, the spectrum will be reallocated to 4G.
Same goes to opposite way.

Hence, removal of 3G is a good choice in this situation.
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post Sep 9 2020, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Sep 9 2020, 08:20 AM)
Phones before 4G are mostly HSPDA only devices. I have plenty of such devices at home from PCMCIA cards to mobile hotspot. Still usable for backup. Some older laptops also shipped with a 3G modem inside. My old ThinkPad X61T for example. Still works but at 3G speeds.

Without 3G later, these devices will connect at EDGE speeds which is terribly slow.
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Already say in previous post, 3G is unusable now at most of the area, and there must be some stats that 2g only devices are way more than 3g only devices at the moment.



QUOTE(surrodox2001 @ Sep 9 2020, 07:19 PM)
IMO shutting down 3g in 2021 is just too soon, when 4g doesn't get fixed and they want to shutdown 3g... thats a lack of foresight here.

And 4g/2g can be used in a MSR mode as demonstrated in taiwan (in chinese):
https://chinese.engadget.com/chinese-2017-0...-2g-900mhz.html
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Mentioned this already in previous post, that is why the 2G is still exist today. Go search dss at zte web, im sure huawei also have such tech

QUOTE(surrodox2001 @ Sep 9 2020, 07:26 PM)
And regards to convert 3g towers to 4g towers, you have to consider adding the current bulk of 3g users and current 4g users in these new 4g towers, and then...

Network congestion again? doh.gif
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3g barely can use for watsapp, let along browsing/utube.
Give way to 4G is the only way.
Nowadays 2G using less/spectrum compared to 3G as mentioned by surrodox

Also, please please remember
2G = 0.2mhz = ??
3G = 5mhz = 21mbps , (21mbps per 5mhz block)
DC-H+ = 10mhz = 42mbps
4G = 20mhz = 150mbps ( around 33mbps per 5mhz block)
5G = 100mhz = 1gbps (around 50mbps per 5mhz block)

U can c that 3G migration to 4G will not have same congestion issue but 50% more capacity (21mbps -> 33mbps)
Forget about DC HSPA. Most of the telco ad left 5mhz 3G.
That is the main reason y 3G is slower n slower nowadays.
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post Sep 9 2020, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(surrodox2001 @ Sep 9 2020, 10:23 PM)
Now i'm posting on 3g and I can get good speeds, definitely usable for youtube/browsing...
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Lolx, that is y i written most of the place.
If ur 3G coverage replaced by 4G, y not?
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post Sep 15 2020, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(surrodox2001 @ Sep 13 2020, 02:51 PM)
I wonder about what kind of G/frequency that emergency number w/o sim uses?
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Either 2g or 3g would do, they are both circuit switch services

QUOTE(ezekieldavidchong @ Sep 15 2020, 12:28 AM)
I don’t think they should shutdown 3G.3G it now widely use,hopefully rural and village(kampung) got 4G coverage end of next year.Better to leave it as it is then to shutdown 3G
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It depends on operators d. Logically should be replace 3G with 4G instead of just shut the 3G down..

Kampung might have 2G serving them if dun have volte phones / using feature phone.
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post Sep 20 2020, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Sep 20 2020, 10:41 AM)
talk is cheap in Malaysia
wont happen because on highway my phone sometimes can even show GPRS, that is 2G. hahaha
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it only prove that shutdown 3g is better than 2G lol
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post Sep 24 2020, 06:44 PM

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Old news, telco m gonna live volte 2gether with watch 6.
Seems can go maxis d after volte launch
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post Oct 6 2021, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(scamboy @ Oct 6 2021, 11:10 PM)
The list of Maxis 3G network shut down by state - https://www.malaysianwireless.com/2021/10/m...engganu-states/
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Gov should broadcast these for other operator since they are the lead for this jendela
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post Dec 14 2021, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(shaktiv8 @ Dec 14 2021, 06:06 PM)
Does anyone know when umobile is going to shut down their 3G ? Want to test out if calls can go from umobile 4G to maxis 2G without dropping, if not need to change out d
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It will drop to celcom 2g....
They already change to celcom 2g yea...
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post Dec 21 2021, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(lowkelvin @ Dec 21 2021, 01:20 PM)
Yes, I understand DNB dont have 2G license
Just an idea brainstorming  biggrin.gif

Gov can ask telco to shut down 3G
Of course Gov can ask telco to shut down their 2G too

After this,
Telco can reband their 2G and 3G into 4G/5G
Then Gov can re-assigning some GSM900/GSM1800 to DNB to run 2G network
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I think major telco has provided information that some of their spectrum especially 900/1800mhz are doing DSS. dynamic spectrum sharing...
meaing.. if the area no ppl use 2G, the spectrum will be used for 4G, otherwise, the shared block will be served as 2G purpose.
So basically, all the spectrum 900/1800/2100/2600 at big 4 are all used for 4G now. no such reband or refarm anymore after 3G sunset.

The only radio team inside big 4 can do now is adding spectrum to existing site and change 10mhz to 15mhz for their 2100mhz after 3G sunset.

BTW just sharing, currently digi only implement 4CC/MIMO/256QAM for their network, tat is y digi result at speedtest/other report has suddenly improved compared to other 3 that ad implement this 3 years ago.

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post Dec 22 2021, 02:53 AM

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QUOTE(shaktiv8 @ Dec 22 2021, 12:00 AM)
Could you share a bit more on the DIGI thing you had mentioned ? Does this benefit all end users or only those with certain phones? Because I’m using iPhone 11 Pro Max and I already can get 120mbps + when I’m upstairs in my house, but when I go downstairs the speed drops to around 3mbps even when the signal strength shows full bar

Is there something going on with the 4cc here? Or do I need to upgrade my phone
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11 pro max already can support all these features. So ur issue should be coverage liao blink.gif

Does this benefit all end users or only those with certain phones?
It benefit for all users depends on the phones capability.
Some phone support 3CC and MIMO and 256QAM
some phone support 4CC and MIMO and 256QAM
some phone only support MIMO and 256QAm (who knows)
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post Dec 23 2021, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Sam Leong @ Dec 23 2021, 08:46 PM)
depends on area
inside my house Celcom 4G worst than Digi 4G
only Maxis and U Mobile can achieve full bar because they deployed a tower right infront of my house
same location Digi can have two bar 4G but Celcom only 1 bar or just no bar but trying to maintain 4G connection
I guess because Digi got the 900MHz thing , and they deploy it around my house , at least i can receive 4G signal inside my room now , before 900Mhz was deployed i only can get No Service , so VoWiFi is a must for me

oh ya and Texas Chicken KLCC
Digi have no service / EDGE but Maxis got 4G+ full bar (but 5-10Mbps only lah idk why , maybe congestion)
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Texas area always monopoly by maxis...
Seems others not allow to share with maxis...
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QUOTE(knight @ Dec 26 2021, 08:31 PM)
Personally I think removing 3G with a short dateline is a wrong move.
What if 4G Crowded and flooded suddenly at high populated area. Habis. I wonder if people will start complaining this issue soon or not. I was thinking to change my Unifi mobile but now think of it, all are the same.
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If u imaging 5mhz as a car lane,
2100mhz we have 3 lanes, now 2 for 4g, 1 for 3g
U really think that 2+1 is better than 3 lanes?
So u hoping everyone flood the 2 lane while u can change lane to 3g lane due to less car? Hmm

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 26 2021, 08:58 PM)
Gomen planning failed big...
Rush job actually.... Should let 3G little longer maybe till Q3 2022??? Meantime... Improve the 4G coverage too... And add more capacity to high traffic/populated areas....
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Improving blind spot coverage is not gov issue d
Same for add capacity. It is telco optimization team who need to handle this.

Until now mid valley megamall KL still having no coverage at some shops/parking place. U think mcmc/etc will care about this?
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QUOTE(joshhd @ Dec 29 2021, 01:02 PM)
Oh well, I have to agree this point. Some people really think that way.
Some users expect that everyone's phone will connect to 4G by default. In the long run, that 4G network become congested, and then they think that only a minority of 3G users still on 3G, so they manually force their phone to 3G, and expects the network is somehow usable compared to the congested 4G network.
If MCMC doesn't care, and telco doesn't care, who can care about this? Mid Valley's building management? sweat.gif
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Management wont do anything unless telco trigger to build more booster inside their building.

How to trigger improvement? When VVVVVIP cannot make ewallet payment at the cashier of some outlets?

Also, last time i was gossiped that um coverage at KLCC having transmission issue whereby digi celcom having the same. But booster owner of the KLCC (M) not allow other telco to increase capacity to the KLCC site. Yet MCMC cannot do anything due to building management final decision.

I dunno. Figure it out ourselves...
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QUOTE(mlamlam @ Dec 29 2021, 01:13 PM)
The facility management have to allow telco to install microcell to those blind spot
if telco doesn't care, is it the building management charging too much or any barrier to not allowing telco to install such small tower?

besides, in order to be less congested on 4G, not only to increase the bandwidth, actually telco needs to build more femtocell or small tower in the building, and those telco backbone also have to use fiber, not to use microwave anymore.
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Talking about microwave i almost vomitted that almost all DNB site still using microwave !!
Yet soyacincau and malaysiawireless still teasing y the latency is so high (or no improvement) ....
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QUOTE(reoz @ Jan 24 2022, 11:49 PM)
after jendela thinggy, blue telco still 1 bar signal at my house in kampung…lol

complained from year 2008 until now 2022..zz
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wake up. blue telco 0 bar at most of the chinese area in KL at 2022.... sri petaling, kuchai lama, OKR, pavilion bukit jalil, Lalaport.
the list should serve 1m population yet no line. I dont see why celcom need to improve ur kampung coverage flex.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jan 30 2022, 05:48 PM)
Before #JENDELA_gagal, the 3G spectrum can support lots of users at one time...

Now, after #JENDELA_gagal, the previous 3G spectrum(s) have been "demolished" and "NOT" upgraded and left behind 4G spectrum(s) to cater the same volume of devices...

Last time, got 3 types of cakes... 2G cake, 3G cake and 4G cake... All semut² can share the cake(s) happily...

Now, the 3G cake has been taken away (by some1 in Malaysia...LOL...), left behind 2G cake and 4G cake for the same semut² to share...

Summore, the 3G cake WAS very delicious... Now, the 2G cake is edy rotten and the 4G cake is not properly baked...LOL...all semut² vomit blood this CNY...LOL...
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Some correct but not accurate
We have street road(2G), federal road(3G) and toll highway (4G)
Some tower previously upgraded 2/3 lanes of federal road to toll highway, so those tower 3G road can be upgraded to 4G road instantly after 3G shutdown (10mhz become 15mhz with just one click)

Some tower only has 1 lane federal road but been shutdown.
Then telco no intention to straight upgrade the lane to 4G due to need hardware upgrade + site survey + subcon + budget approval + local council approval + site approval + only can add L2100 if other spectrum is congested, so it becomes only 2G+4G for the area.


Also, they have years never expand 2G capacity . N been forced to build Street road within a year. U can imagine how nice is the road to be serving human.


Conclusion, telco just wanna save cost for everything .

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QUOTE(JLA @ Feb 4 2022, 03:32 PM)
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https://myjendela.my/Sitejendela/media/Doc/...Report_V4_1.pdf

LTE band 1 2100mhz 20mhz = 3G sunset refarming spectrum to 4G
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Big 4 only holding 15mhz each for L2100...
Gov punya pasal allocate to 4 telco instead of 3...
And that is y DNB is a must to avoid this...
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QUOTE(badai @ Feb 17 2022, 05:54 PM)
just wondering, if my phone don't have signal at all inside house, but got 2 to 3 bar on 2G and 4G outside my house, will it be useful if i bought 2G booster and get 2G only signal in my house? just need to make call and sms, data can use home internet.

also, i heard that 4G booster have all kind of band number and not all booster will work with particular telco, but 2G usually will have all the band in the booster for all telco.
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Your operator or ur phone not support vowifi?
Better invest a vowifi phone than booster i think ohmy.gif
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post Feb 18 2022, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(badai @ Feb 18 2022, 09:29 AM)
not just voice. i need sms too.
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QUOTE(badai @ Feb 18 2022, 09:30 AM)
sms cannot go through wifi calling. still need 2G.
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Who telling u that vowifi only for voice?
It can do voice, sms, video call, ussd(not implement yet), call waiting toggle, call forwarding toggle, CLIR toggle and etc that what 3g 2g can do...


Ok seems other ppl have responded ur question...lol

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