I think the difference btw a roman Catholic and a protestant is that a protestant have only one book that's the bible, for us the Bible alone is enough and its above all books and tradition. If anything that's contradict with the bible even our own culture we try to deny it.

How does it make sense? Does the parents know for sure the child will be a Christian in the future?

aku baca dia post panjang2, tetapi sampai bahagian membeli insuran, keliru aku dibuatnya .

dia kata, berdosa jika membeli insuran

Which in itself is a problem because of different people having different intepretations.

Ask God why He also required the Jews to circumcise their infants on the 8th day in the Old Testament in order to be included into the Jewish people.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 8 2019, 03:39 PM

Bro., while it may seem to be a problem, but I see it as a blessing, that is, if every Christian relied on the Spirit of God, Whom will guide us into all truths and understanding, there wouldn't be much differences in the interpretations since it is always the same Spirit. 😊

Because if you're born jew you're a jew; your gentile Christian parents doesn't guarantee their offspring are Christian. Just saying lol

Agreed here. If one group claim to be the only true Church then it will corrupt easily. Denomination is not necessarily the bad thing.

But you wouldn't be sure it would be the same Spirit guiding every person doing the interpretation now would you?

Nope, if they are not circumcised then they aren't considered Jews

The Bible says God will bless those who keep His Law/commandments with a good and long life on earth - DEUTERONOMY.28, PROVERBS.1, ROMANS.2:1-12. So, why be fearful about dying young or early, go and buy life insurance.? Better to fear God and keep His Law.
....... For Gentile Christians, they only have to keep the non-burdensome parts of His Law, eg no need to be circumcised, eat only kosher/clean foods, keep Sabbath strictly on Sunday, etc - ACTS.15:19-29 & 21:20-25, ROMANS.14:1-4.

Those who buy life insurance or non-mandatory health insurance based on fear may instead be cursed by God for lack of faith in Him, eg will really get cancer and/or really die young/early. Your very fears/worries can turn into reality = the workings of Satan. Christians who say that they buy life insurance for a "just in case" contingency and not because of fear, are showing a lack of faith in God.
....... Faith in God and His Law/Word = boldness or no fear about being afflicted by calamities/curses = no need life insurance.

Job got struck with calamities because he tried to buy prosperity insurance from God, ie insure against his sons' likely future sins/evil-deeds - JOB.1:5 & 3:25. Job feared for nothing and had ignorantly sinned against God because about 400 years later at EXODUS.20:5, God revealed that only the father's sins would befall on the sons, down to the 4th generation.
....... Job kept the faith throughout his suffering and eventually got doubly blessed by God, unlike his wife who probably lost faith and salvation, ie cursed God and died - JOB.2:9.

For the afterlife after death on earth, the Bible says God will bless those who believe in His Son, Jesus Christ, with eternal life in the kingdom of heaven/God = no fear about being sent to hell after death.
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P S - Similarly, why be greedy for riches, go and buy lottery or gamble high-stake poker/mahjong against others.? Gambling is a form of stealing indirectly from others because all who gamble have the intention to win a large sum of money from others. Who gamble with the intention to lose.?
....... Did Job and the young Jewish ruler of MATTHEW.19:16-23 got rich by buying lottery or gambling.?

P P S - Notice that life insurance and lottery companies nearly always win or make profits. How come.?
....... From Actuarial Science or long-term statistics, the companies already knows what are the odds against people dying young and for a person striking the multi-million Lotto 1st prize. They collect the pooled insurance premiums and lottery ticket money, then dole out about 80% of the pooled money to the very few 'winning' early death'ers and the 1 Lotto winner(plus other minor prizes) and keep about 20% of the pooled money for themselves as operational expenses and profits(= about 10%). In the meantime, there are many many losers, eg millions of losers in each Lotto draw.

But in the NT Paul said it doesn't matter anymore

ok, i call up my agent tomorrow to cancel my policy

You are right bro., that is why Scripture teaches us further to test the spirit. The good thing is, as sheep we can only recognize the voice of our Good Shepherd and any other teaching that is contrary to the teaching of our Master's teaching, will warn us immediately that somethin ain't right. Therefore further investigation is required if one is to proceed.

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1JOHN.5:16-17 (NKJV) = 16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

1CORINTHIANS.11:30-32 = 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.
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It is very grave sins/law-breaking that will lead to death, either shortly or longly, eg sexual immorality like LGBTQ-sex, consulting witches/shamans to put love charms or hexes upon others(DEUT.18:9-14 = cursed with madness, schizophrenia, bipolar, etc), murder, etc. This is similar to the death penalty or life imprisonment imposed by the government courts for high/serious crimes.

Those who break God's Law by consulting horoscope, psychics, tarot-cards, fortune-tellers, ouija-boards, etc(= prophets/agents of Satan) will be afflicted lesser with speech and/or hearing, eg hard of hearing, deafness, tinnitus, tongue-tied, stuttering, etc .(MARK.7:32)

Besides the 10 Commandments, the above are some of the non-burdensome laws/commandments of God which every Christian should keep, in order not to be cursed by God with a sad and short life on earth.

Wrt the burdensome laws/commandments of God, Gentile Christians are at liberty to not keep or keep them, eg circumcision, kosher/clean foods, Sabbath Sunday, etc.
....... The law of circumcision upon Jewish male babies was good. It was a memorial of the miraculous covenant when God promised Abraham thousands and thousands of Jewish seeds/descendants when he was still childless. It also made circumcised Jewish men less prone to sexual immorality since sexual intercourse produced less arousal in the forehead of their penis. Hence uncircumcised China and India have been very over-populated and quite sexually-immoral.
....... Bear in mind that if a Gentile Christian man elect to get circumcised, he will be in pain and become physically incapacitated for about 1 month = requires nursing care(GENESIS.34:25). At this time, if he somehow get aroused and erected, he will be like in hell on earth. So, it is better for him to remain uncircumcised and instead just circumcise his heart(ROMANS.2:29) from sexual immorality by the power of Holy Spirit of God through the Word of God(EPH.6:16-17).

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The law at LEVITICUS.10:9 forbid the drinking of wine or any other intoxicating drink/substance by Jewish priests, and by extension this law applies to Christians, who are also the priests of God.

But what if a male adult addict becomes a Gentile Christian, eg alcoholic, chain-smoker, drug-addict, prescription-pill-addict like Michael Jackson, etc.? Should he be made to abstain/stop taking the substance immediately.? Such a requirement or compulsion or forcing would be too burdensome for him because he will suffer terrible withdrawal symptoms which may kill him immediately, eg Delirium Tremens for alcoholics, stroke for drug addicts, etc. So, he should be allowed to continue with his addiction for the rest of his not very long and expensive life on earth, but in moderation, so as to stave off the horrible withdrawal symptoms and not cause trouble to others while intoxicated. Alcohol, cigarettes and drugs are expensive. If he gets miraculously healed by God of his addiction, all the better. Sometimes, what is done is done or we can't turn back the clock.
....... Why should the Church allow him to remain an addict.? = because for such a Gentile Christian addict, eternal life in heaven through God's Son trumps a long life on earth through God's Law.

So, there are many subtleties in the non-burdensome laws of God. We should delve deeper into them, so as not to end up like the ignorant Gentile Christians of 1COR.11:30 who suffered for making wrong judgments in their deeds.
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In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Love.

I can't believe I'm doing this, but I have to say something against this "anti-life insurance" business.

Life insurance is not "fearing death", or "depending on someone else besides Jesus to save you", it is merely a financial arrangement to take care of your family's earthly needs when you're gone. And your family is also an extension of the Church, since they are probably fellow Christians. Taking care of your family therefore is also Christian work. In fact I would say there are plenty of verses in the Bible which prove it is one of the most important responsibilities of Christians. But I dislike quoting verses, and I'm sure many others here can provide them.

Even if they are non-Christians, the societal norm is that you have a responsibility to take care of them. By doing so, you demonstrate a good testimony to non-Christians that a Christian is a person of good character and a good member of society, and that is also a form of missionary work. (There is also Biblical support for this.)

Don't think that Jesus has no idea about finance, or that he doesn't care about family. We are commanded to be fruitful in both areas, to spend our money on preaching the Word (growing the Church externally, through missionary work), to take care of current Church members and to multiply (growing the Church internally).

Money is needed in this world to further the work of the Church. It is not to be eschewed and avoided. If we don't generate it, it has to come from somewhere.

No, we cannot only depend on "faith" to take care of the financial needs. That kind of faith is testing God. God never intended us to sit back, hold out our hands, ask for money to drop from the sky and call that a "miraculous blessing". We are supposed to do our best and trust God to provide by turning our best efforts into something beneficial. THAT is practical application of faith.

Life insurance provides your wife and children with the resources they need to grow up to be useful members of the Church. If you don't provide, someone else has to. Probably the Church itself, since it is one of the Church's responsibilities to care for its members. So what have you really accomplished by avoiding life insurance, other than to transfer your burden to other Christians?

This isn't prosperity gospel, BTW. Prosperity gospel focuses on enriching yourself. This is about being good stewards of the resources which belongs to God, which is not just the Church offerings but also ourselves, our money, time, and effort.

Nor am I promoting any investment-linked insurance products. Investment-linked products are generally very poor financial investments.

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Oct 9 2019, 06:53 AM

11 of the 12 apostles were martyred rather early in their lives.
Most of them had very little to live on when they were expanding the churches.

Are you implying that the apostles did not keep the commandments of God?

Nothing wrong with buying life insurance, it's not a sin anyway.

In the NT, baptism has replaced circumcision for the People of God.

Yeeck, can you lessen your this fighting in support of catholic doctrine in here?