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post Sep 26 2019, 03:45 PM, updated 4y ago

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Welcome Fellow Christians.

We are here to fellowship, to reach out, to encourage, to strengthen one another and to be a Witness unto this lost world of the goodness and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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post Sep 26 2019, 04:11 PM

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ok, let's grow together

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post Sep 26 2019, 04:22 PM

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Dear Friend, it's been awhile and I just want to obey what the Lord has deposited to me during my communion with Him,

The Lord gave me this correlation
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Hebrews 13:1-2
1 Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. 2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.


And

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Matthew 25: 37-40
37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’

40 And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’


Angels as we know represents God.

As Christians I think we need to display kindness and hospitality to others...and it is not to say those strangers are God's angels themselves but they are there to witness your kind act towards another fellow human being.

God Bless.
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post Sep 27 2019, 07:13 AM

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Maybe the display of kindness and hospitality isn't exactly the what we should be looking at, but rather love one another, as the Lord loves us.

What I can affirmed is that when a deed is done in love & with love, it is far more effective than all the words I can even think of and best of all, a real Christian, even a pagan literally, would immediately know and feel God's love.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Sep 27 2019, 07:13 AM)
Maybe the display of kindness and hospitality isn't exactly the what we should be looking at, but rather love one another, as the Lord loves us.

What I can affirmed is that when a deed is done in love & with love, it is far more effective than all the words I can even think of and best of all, a real Christian, even a pagan literally, would immediately know and feel God's love.
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The point I was trying to make is that we have forgotten God has invisible angels witnessing the help we give to others.

These angels are invisible from our eyes, hence too often we forgot God is watching the good deeds we dispense to others.

Hence Matthew 25:37-40....people saying when did we see you hungry?


* Another point is that, we should not discredit people who are strangers, people of different faith, culture or background.

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Yes Unknown Warrior you are right, that is what is peppered throughout Scriptures about angels and I do understand. Just that I prefer the other route that is more direct and simpler that's all. 😊

It is really crazy sometimes, my love for others can be so strong that I only want the best for them. The strangest thing is, I find that generally the pagans are more receptive than compared to even my own brethren. Scripture is proven to be right, a prophet is never welcome in his own home.
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anyone who wonder how Aramaic sound, watch this video

It's modern Aramaic though not the old Aramaic which Jesus spoke in.
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post Sep 27 2019, 02:34 PM

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May i know which part of scripture endorses prayer to Mary?
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Sep 27 2019, 02:34 PM)
May i know which part of scripture endorses prayer to Mary?
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haih bro...don't start lah.

later Yeeck masuk.

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Good sermon on description on Heaven and Hell.
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Sep 26 2019, 04:11 PM)
sui, tered ke-15

ok, let's grow together

Q1. What is the chief end of man?
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post Sep 29 2019, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 26 2019, 04:22 PM)
Dear Friend, it's been awhile and I just want to obey what the Lord has deposited to me during my communion with Him,

The Lord gave me this correlation
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Angels as we know represents God.

As Christians I think we need to display kindness and hospitality to others...and it is not to say those strangers are God's angels themselves but they are there to witness your kind act towards another fellow human being.

God Bless.
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MATTHEW.25:40 specifically referred to providing for the brothers of Jesus Christ = His apostles and disciples, not to just any stranger or Tom, Dikk and Harry. IOW, Christians have been commanded by God/Jesus to support their pastors, missionaries and Church, eg by tithing about 3% or more.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 29 2019, 05:52 PM)
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MATTHEW.25:40 specifically referred to providing for the brothers of Jesus Christ = His apostles and disciples, not to just any stranger or Tom, Dikk and Harry. IOW, Christians have been commanded by God/Jesus to support their pastors, missionaries and Church, eg by tithing about 3% or more.
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I have to respectfully disagree with that observation for the following reasons.

a) Whenever we interpret scripture we have to interpret it in context, not only within the context of the passage but the overall context of scripture as a whole.
Let us examine what the nature of God is like.

Matt 5
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


b) This is further reinforced by the parable of the sower.

Matt 13

1 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

The sower is scattering seed EVERYWHERE. not only the good soil.

Although Jesus explains that the seed is the word of the kingdom, do we only spread the word through talking alone? Do we not also do it by good deeds ?



c) By limiting our assistance to only fellow believers are we any better that others who openly campaign for support of only their particular group? Does it resonate with the overall teaching of the scriptures? If not, then we have to re-examine the observation.
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QUOTE(yaokb @ Sep 30 2019, 11:24 AM)
I have to respectfully disagree with that observation for the following reasons.

a) Whenever we interpret scripture we have to interpret it in context, not only within the context  of the passage but the overall context of scripture as a whole.
Let us examine what the nature of God is like.

Matt 5
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
b) This is further reinforced by the parable of the sower.

Matt 13

1 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

The sower is scattering seed EVERYWHERE. not only the good soil.

Although Jesus explains that the seed is the word of the kingdom, do we only spread the word through talking alone? Do we not also do it by good deeds ?
c) By limiting our assistance to only fellow believers are we any better that others who openly campaign for support of only their particular group? Does it resonate with the overall teaching of the scriptures? If not, then we have to re-examine the observation.
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JOHN. 13:34-35 (NKJV) = 34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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The Lord/God Jesus Christ commanded His apostles and disciples to love one another, not just love any stranger or Tom, Dikk and Harry.

Being kind and helpful to non-disciples/non-Christians or others is different from the above commandment to love one another.

Seems, there are many foolish Christians/disciples who go around supporting and helping strangers or every Tom, Dikk and Harry and really loving their enemies. .......

GALATIANS. 6:10 =. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 30 2019, 05:59 PM)
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JOHN. 13:34-35 (NKJV)  = 34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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The Lord/God Jesus Christ commanded His apostles and disciples to love one another, not just love any stranger or Tom, Dikk and Harry.

Being kind and helpful to non-disciples/non-Christians or others is different from the above commandment to love one another.

Seems, there are many foolish Christians/disciples who go around supporting and helping strangers or every Tom, Dikk and Harry and really loving their enemies. .......

GALATIANS. 6:10 =. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.
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Have you considered John 3 :16?

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

And the story of the good Samaritian

Luke 10:25-37 New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”



If you do not know, Jews and Samaritans have no dealings with one another because they are traditionally enemies.
Jesus purposely used a Samaritan as the good guy compared to the Priest and the Levite who left the injured Jew by the roadside. The Priests were like the pastors of the day and the Levites like the church workers.

What do you think Jesus was trying to convey?
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JOHN.3:18-19 (NKJV) = .18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

ROMANS.9:13 = 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

ROMANS.12:20 = 20 Therefore

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”

HOSEA.9:15-17 =
15 “All their wickedness is in Gilgal,
For there I hated them.
Because of the evil of their deeds
I will drive them from My house;
I will love them no more.
All their princes are rebellious.

16 Ephraim is stricken,
Their root is dried up;
They shall bear no fruit.
Yes, were they to bear children,
I would kill the darlings of their womb.”

17 My God will cast them away,
Because they did not obey Him;
And they shall be wanderers among the nations.

PROVERBS.6:16-19 =
16 These six things the Lord hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.
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1TIMOTHY.5:8 = 8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 29 2019, 05:52 PM)
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MATTHEW.25:40 specifically referred to providing for the brothers of Jesus Christ = His apostles and disciples, not to just any stranger or Tom, Dikk and Harry. IOW, Christians have been commanded by God/Jesus to support their pastors, missionaries and Church, eg by tithing about 3% or more.
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I'm curious, where did you get the 3% from? I mean which verse?
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I'm curious, where did you get the 3% from? I mean which verse?
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The Old Testament law of tithing 10% was towards the running of a national Jewish theocratic government headed by God's prophets/judges, starting with Moses and Joshua in 1500BC. Today, the Church is not the national government = the Church does not need a tithe of 10% to run. So, a tithe of about 3% from members should be enough to support their Church/pastor/missionary.

Bear in mind that Christians have been commanded by Jesus Christ to also pay taxes(= about 10%) to Caesar or to their national government, as long as it is not too burdensome or excessive - MATTHEW.22:21, ROMANS.13.

Requiring Christians to pay a tithe of 10% to their Church is over-burdening them(cf: ACTS.15:28-29) since they have to also pay taxes to their government - 10% + 10% = 20%. False prophets/pastors/Church who teach tithing 10% as a must, are showing greed in their hearts - MATTHEW.7:15-20. Did Paul go around demanding a tithe of 10% from his Gentile converts.?
....... Remember, the corrupt and non-biblical selling of papal indulgences that depleted other's national economies to benefit only the Roman/Italian economy resulted in the Protestant Reformation that was led by the German Catholic professor monk, Martin Luther. Germany, England, Switzerland, Holland, Denmark, etc then became Protestant nations.
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Let's say a Church has 100 members earning an average salary of RM3,000 per month. A 10% tithe imposed on the 100 members = RM30,000 per month. ... A 3% tithe = RM9,000 per month. A 5% tithe = RM15,000 per month.
....... Multiply that by 10 for a mega-Church that has 1,000 members. Mega-Churches are common in Christian-majority nations like USA, Western Europe and Australasia.
....... More tithes of above 3% may be needed for Christian-minority nations.

So, a tithe of 10% is mostly unneeded, excessive and over-burdening, especially in Christian-majority nations. Hence, a tithe of about 3% should ne the norm.

As per ACTS.15:19-29 & 21:20-25 and ROMANS.14:1-4, many burdensome OT laws/commandments do not apply to Gentile Christians, eg circumcision and kosher/clean foods. Similarly for tithing 10%. Non-burdensome laws/commandments still apply, especially morality laws, eg the Ten Commandments = those who keep them will be blessed by God with a good and long life on earth and won't risk losing faith/salvation through lawlessness - MATTHEW.7:21-23, 1COR.5:1-5 & 11:30 & 6:9-11, HEB.10:26-31 & 6:1-8, JOB.2:9, 1TIM.4:1.

God loves His people = He does not over-burden them, and He loves a cheerful giver/tither. .......

MATTHEW.11:30 = For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

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