Only when people don't post misinformation on Catholic doctrine here. Or if people ask, I will answer. Ask and you shall receive....lol

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 9 2019, 10:35 AM

There will always be disagreement on catholic doctrine in this thread mainly because it's protestant.

Not only with Catholic doctrine but also with your doctrine, I can see.

malaysia is not wise and calm enough to be discuss something which different from them.

just like some race problem here....

We have many groups in here, it is expected to have disagreement but that is between protestant's argument.

What I don't want are the obvious gap of doctrine between Catholics and Protestant

You mean prosperity gospel, hyper-grace are not obvious gaps? Fine..

I find it weird that people like to put their own words into my mouth, something I don't teach or say.

problem has always been on comprehension.

They insist in their own assumptions.

I can test this on you and see whether you are going to put your words into my mouth



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There is no such thing as prosperity gospel, the gospel has always been on the grace of Christ.

However there is prosperity as a result of the gospel and the word prosperity basically mean to thrive and it's not about money.

the word abundance of grace is in the bible and is legit. Hyper is the word derived from the greek hooper which is the same meaning.


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Go ahead, what are you going to say?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 9 2019, 11:38 AM

That's between you and the other Protestants, I won't interfere. Just giving an example. Another thing I recalled being different between you and the rest are the 10 Commandments. What is your position on that?

not my position but the Bible's


2 Corinthians 3:6 (KJV)

who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

With that being said, in the new covenant, we look to Christ and no longer the law. Why? as this verse explains.

But others will point to ‘If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments’ (Matt. 19:17).

That's a very interesting account that I had been studying just recently.

Let me prepare an answer for that for the benefit of everyone.

the rich ruler
Immediately, there are 2 big questions that we need to consider here.

1) Is Jesus denying His deity here when He said, 'Why do you call me good?

2) Did Jesus say we are saved by keeping the 10 commandments here?

This post has been edited by thomasthai: Oct 9 2019, 12:32 PM

And maybe another:

"Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1Cor.6

But does it mean those who commit such acts will never be forgiven if they repent and ask God for forgiveness? Of course not!

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 9 2019, 12:38 PM

True. Even the apostles' leader, Jesus Christ, was martyred/crucified early in His life at the age of 33, in order to gift salvation from hell to all believers in the world.
....... Remember, this had happened exclusively during the era of the New Covenant of Faith in the 1st century AD, ie not in general and not to all Christians forthwith. Similarly for the many miracles, signs and wonders wrought by His 12 apostles and 108 disciples, ie not by just any ordinary Christian forthwith.

MATTHEW.10:16-26 & 38-39 (NKJV) = Persecutions Are Coming

16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

21 “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

24 “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house [g]Beelzebub, how much more will they call those of his household! 26 Therefore do not fear them. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. ...
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38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.


Like I said before, for people like the apostles and Gentile Christians who were addicts(= alcoholics, chain-smokers, drug-addicts, etc), eternal life in the kingdom of heaven through faith in Jesus Christ trumps a long life on earth through the keeping of the Law. For most other Christians, they can inherit both blessings from God, ie a good and long life on earth through the keeping of His Law and eternal life in the kingdom of heaven through faith in Jesus Christ.
...... This does not imply or equate to the apostles and GC addicts intentionally did not keep the Law/commandments/Word. In fact, the apostles kept the specific Word of God/Jesus for them, ie to willingly lose their young lives for His name sake or for their faith in Jesus Christ when persecuted by the powerful Jewish Temple rulers, who included Saul of Tarsus the persecutor of Christians before his conversion by Jesus at ACTS.9:5 & 15 to apostle Paul.

A similar times of persecution of Christians by the powerful governments of the world will be coming soon just before the 2nd Advent of the Lord/God Jesus Christ to earth when many young Christians will have to suffer martyrdom for their faith, like what happened to the apostles in the 1st century AD. How.? = most likely the world governments will require everyone to receive computer chip implants to buy or sell stuffs = receive the mark of the beast - REV.13:11-18 & 14:9-11. Those who refuse, eg Christians, will be persecuted/prosecuted/martyred or left to starve to death.
....... Even today, US and UK Christians are beginning to suffer persecution/prosecution by the powerful liberals-dominated governments of the world = the early pangs, eg conservative US Christian business owners who refused to participate or provide services or products to same-sex weddings.

What happened to the Jews who persecuted and martyred the apostles.? As per ROMANS.12:19-21, the unbelieving Jews were massacred and their Holy Temple in Jerusalem were destroyed by the even more powerful Roman Army in 70AD for mounting armed rebellion - the 1st Jewish-Roman Wars. This had been prophesied by Jesus Christ at LUKE.21:20 and MATTHEW.24:3 & 15-16.

Similarly, the Lord/God Jesus Christ will be coming down to earth for the 2nd time to destroy all the leftover or remaining unbelieving persecutors/murderers and this rotten earth after rapturing/resurrecting His people in the clouds - 1THESS.4:16, REV.6 & 7 & 21:1.
...... Thereafter, believers will spend 1,000 years or a Millennium on a new clean earth with their Lord/God Jesus Christ - REV.20:4, ISA.2:4 & 11:6 & 65:25, MICAH.4:1.

And another:

"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

1) First of all, Jesus did not say He is NOT good, and He did Not say He is not God.

He was merely questioning the man, what is his standard of good.

2) The 2nd part of the answer from Jesus is the answer to what 'good' standard is required for salvation.

The man thought that he had already fulfilled all the commandments to have eternal life, but Jesus rebuked him for not seeing that he has already put his wealth before God, (the first and most important commandment), and refusing to follow Him.

The good standard here is to see you have fallen short of the required law and put your faith in Christ and follow Him.

Nothing to disagree with you here.

Don't know what's the connection of all the bible verses with what I'm asking you.

You are saying the 1st century Christians being persecuted is the norm, but subsequently all Christians who obey the commandments will have a long and healthy life?

Just trying to say that Jesus did not say keeping the 10 commandments will get you saved.

Lel, circumcision is not needed coz Christ is here. Read romans.