You ask a very good question in regard to this thread.

Before I begin, let me clarify that I am in no ways doctor or expertise or the spokesperson of whatever denomination people want to group me in.

Dreams to be honest to help the needy and to do what the society lacks. But it doesn't happen right now, everything has its moment and its place.

I believe Christians as any other beings, have to eat, sleep, breathe, and work to sustain life - this is the basic tasks. Beyond that, if one counts their sufficiency in those area, then they may find ways to help. Work is a major form in which one is able to help out, indirectly. A task does not be a standalone and an obvious one. Often it can be assimilated in your daily lives.

Someone has advised me to work in NGOs before but I choose the other way round, I prefer to have accumulated enough resources and make changes than when I have nothing. Hence, I prefer to delay my own storing treasure in heaven.

At some point of my life, I will set up a self-sustaining education fund because this is something very close to me, and something God has given me a path to sustain myself when I had nothing and without guidance. He was there to provide and I am always thankful till today. I am in a rather comfortable position at the moment. I am in the field of people at the moment - and I care for others as how my specialty has taught and equipped me.

I am not perfect and may not obey all of the teachings required. It's difficult. For example, how to ask elderly people to give tithes when they don't have enough to feed themselves and having to queue up at the pawn shop? Call me faithless - whatever. I am a rather pragmatic person. Or paying tithes but seeing most of the money goes to operational and not really channeling to the poor and needy. God has commanded a good stewardship in our finance and I do not support those that I cannot see how the real people who should benefited haven't benefited from it. I have also seen pastors who can afford 3 sessions of sermons a day during MCO yet can't have a project to feed the poor in the city. In times of hunger, do people listen to verses or do people really want their stomachs to be fed. Or reflect yourself if you fancy donating to UNICEF and seeing 70% of your donations goes to staff? Will you keep donating or rather help the poor person directly.

At this point, I am rather happy with what I am doing, in which I may not regret for not having done it while I can. Little things such as honoring your parents matter. From 8 to 80, I think during adulthood to old age is where one slowly focus on oneself to shifting focus on others.

But above all, it's about being wise while being innocent. I have seen too many people who care too much and people misplayed their trust, love, and care. That, I called stupidity. (Again, it's just me - and I have no intention to be false teacher whatsoever). And they end up hurting themselves or crying. Love thyself before everyone else - a much needed lesson out there that not many people know and practice.

True but surely you would have heard judge not and you will not be judge. Just listen and capture the essense of message is enough. The messenger should never be of our concern to prejudge under any circumstances. Looking at their fruits suffices. Nothing more.

Dreams to be honest to help the needy and to do what the society lacks.

I believe Christians as any other beings, have to eat, sleep, breathe, and work to sustain life - this is the basic tasks. Beyond that, if one counts their sufficiency in those area, then they may find ways to help.
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Someone has advised me to work in NGOs before but I choose the other way round, I prefer to have accumulated enough resources and make changes than when I have nothing.

I am not perfect and may not obey all of the teachings required. It's difficult. For example, how to ask elderly people to give tithes when they don't have enough to feed themselves and having to queue up at the pawn shop? Call me faithless - whatever. I am a rather pragmatic person. Or paying tithes but seeing most of the money goes to operational and not really channeling to the poor and needy. God has commanded a good stewardship in our finance and I do not support those that I cannot see how the real people who should benefited haven't benefited from it. I have also seen pastors who can afford 3 sessions of sermons a day during MCO yet can't have a project to feed the poor in the city. In times of hunger, do people listen to verses or do people really want their stomachs to be fed. Or reflect yourself if you fancy donating to UNICEF and seeing 70% of your donations goes to staff? Will you keep donating or rather help the poor person directly.

GRACE stands on HIGHER ground then God's Law, it is far MORE powerful in changing lives.



If you are propagating works base Salvation then you've just contradicted Ephesians 2:8-9 WHRE it says VERY CLEARLY "NOT OF WORKS"

How does it contradict?

KLthinker, you are the one reporting all these while?

It's you?

Question. Where does it even say works is required for Salvation as oppose to this verse above?

Romans 14 1
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.

Romans 14 2
One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.

Romans 14 3
The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

Romans 14 4
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

Romans 14 6
Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Romans 14 13
Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.

Romans 14 15
If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died.

Romans 14 20
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

Romans 14 21
It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.

Romans 14 22
So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves.

Romans 14 23
But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

Romans 14 has nothing to do with works For Salvation because if it does then the one who has stronger faith (refer to verse 2) can do something the weaker one can't AND is still saved while the weaker one is lost..makes no sense at all.

Secondly as I've asked you before, all that you mentioned above has to do with repentance from sin. How does a Christians get changed? by his /her own power or from God?

Try and read Romans 14:1 carefully, it's not talking about Salvation. It's on "disputable matters"?

You can say both but Bible is clear, IF it's of works, it's no longer Grace. There. Very hard to argue on that.

As for your 2nd question, As I've asked you before, how were you conferred the state of sinner hood?

KLthinker...

You need to look at the example on what are disputable matters....Eating what type of food, considering what day as more sacred ......those are not works in justifying for Salvation.

Then also consider..

Ephesians 8:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Wrong.

What makes the person a sinner is because of 1 Man, not because of your works.

Romans 5:19 (NIV) - For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Also read the next.

If by the obedience of 1 Man, many are made righteous, then your works do not qualify.

For me, I don't think babies goes to hell...why? Well many times over Jesus himself tells us the Kingdom of God belongs to children. Now I know it means child like faith in context but the way how Jesus gave them such special grace, tells me No.

Works in the Bible has to do with the 'actions" of Man..ie Man's performance or accomplishment. Something that you think you merit out of it. Normally the context has to do with being justified before God.

If you understand the meaning of Grace

Romans 11:6-7 (NIV)

And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

Galatians 2:16 (NIV)
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

Because babies are unable to make conscious decision by confession?

Same thing to mentally challenged people, Alzheimer, autism, etc etc?

You can also begin to ask what about people who are bed ridden and have become vegetable.

If those, no longer have the chance to hear the gospel, how then?

Would God be unfair in NOT giving them a chance?

What do you think is Heaven's perspective?

Do you see Jesus in your own life, that He has put your sins on his death?

Or do you still think Jesus is incapable of saving?

I think the problem with some Christians, they lack the faith have very little faith Christ has saved them.

They keep propagating this idea, you have not been saved.

Sometime I wonder what is the point then that you call Jesus as Savior?

Might as well call yourself as the savior.

MY point is crude but I'm driving the point home.

You will fail if you think Salvation depends on what you do, rather than what Christ did.

Believing in Christ is not just mental assertion but you living day by day..while in the midst of your weakness, sin...you still believe Christ is working in you.

While you are still imperfect, You believe in what God says. You are a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come. While you are still in your imperfection, does not mean you are not saved.

You are.

I'm giving you...trails....but I hope you see where this is heading.