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post Nov 12 2023, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ Nov 12 2023, 03:03 PM)
Why nobody talk about WIFI 7, 802.11be?

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No, wait 1 or 2 years first

Routers and chip makers too rushed for that, WiFi 7 still in draft specification for now

QUOTE(alip_11 @ Nov 12 2023, 03:05 PM)
Mesh system how ya? I’m not familiar with it. Need to buy how many pcs? Just connect it my 5g router by wire? Wifi?
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If you want keep your zyxel CPE, then need wire up either mesh or router and set AP mode during setup

Mesh system is at least 2 piece, me put 1 ground floor another one upstairs. Although solo version exists for those want add on another into their existing system
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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Nov 12 2023, 03:26 PM)
No, wait 1 or 2 years first

Routers and chip makers too rushed for that, WiFi 7 still in draft specification for now
If you want keep your zyxel CPE, then need wire up either mesh or router and set AP mode during setup

Mesh system is at least 2 piece, me put 1 ground floor another one upstairs. Although solo version exists for those want add on another into their existing system
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I see. Ok2. Thanks
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post Nov 13 2023, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(alip_11 @ Nov 12 2023, 02:37 PM)
House type: Landed
Size of house: 2500sqf. 2 storey
Features required: coverage to all part of house with almost same speed near main router. 
Number of devices connected to WiFi: 5-6
Internet Speed: 400-500mbps (yes flexi 5g). Using 5g router brand xyzel
Budget: rm200-300.
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get wifi6 router with ax3000 rated , ax1800 could do the job , but if 2 levels..suggest use ethernet backhaul to support.
Mesh will cost more than your budget .
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post Nov 13 2023, 08:54 PM

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Hi, I am planning to get TPLINK Deco MESH for my home, running with ethernet backhaul.

I would like to know how would be the setup like?

is it A or B at below image?

also can each unit of mesh extend with additional switch © ?

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post Nov 13 2023, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(IceBikers @ Nov 13 2023, 08:54 PM)
Hi, I am planning to get TPLINK Deco MESH for my home, running with ethernet backhaul.

I would like to know how would be the setup like?

is it A or B at below image?

also can each unit of mesh extend with additional switch © ?

user posted image
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Deco mesh nodes only have 2 ethernet ports.
The premise of your diagram is wrong.

If you need the LAN cable to split into 3 (e.g. to Deco node #1, #2 and PC, you should put a switch instead.
Pull the backbone from router to a switch#1, which can then plug in PC#1 and node#1, THEN extend further downstream to switch#2, which can then plug in PC#2 and node#2, THEN extend further downstream to <ad copy infinitum>

Avoid connecting Deco through another Deco through another Deco, i.e. daisy chaining.
From CPU utilisation, it's waste because each Deco will need to examine each passing packet to determine whether to pass it downstream/upstream to another Deco, or put it on air to wifi client connected to that node. And you risk the mesh disrupted whenever you restart a Deco in the middle. The nodes do take time to determine the prior path is severed and need to recalculate.
Put a switch instead as you are less likely to need restart a switch, thus ensuring your wired backhaul is resilient. and switch is designed for passing packets at better "rpm" than a mesh node.

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router ---- switch ---- switch ---- switch ----
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meshroot     mesh         mesh       mesh


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QUOTE(IceBikers @ Nov 13 2023, 08:54 PM)
Hi, I am planning to get TPLINK Deco MESH for my home, running with ethernet backhaul.

I would like to know how would be the setup like?

is it A or B at below image?

also can each unit of mesh extend with additional switch © ?

user posted image
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A only doable with selected deco models with 3 ports (X50, XE75, X80, X95)

B is not encouraged since isp router is weaker side compared to newer deco models

C is same as A, just with extra switch for ports

do not buy wrong model or else you need return cause not enough ports

i say again, X50, XE75, X80, X95 only can do what you planning to setup
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Sorry, posted wrongly.

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currently i am using TM default mesh router, i think is TPlink. does it make sense to upgrade to Asus Zenwifi AX XD5 (2 unit) for double link house?
My router is placed upstairs common area. I like to extend a better reach to back wet kitchen, means going through concrete floor, and 2 walls.

The mesh extended router can be placed downstairs with direct line of sight, but front of house, also need to go through 2 walls to reach back wet kitchen.


A and B in Yellow is the TM Router. A is Main. B is mesh.
X are the key points for devices connecting to wifi
Grey Wet kitchen is the weak spot. Drive Way is okay now with B at downstairs.

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post Nov 15 2023, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(dudester @ Nov 15 2023, 03:38 PM)
currently i am using TM default mesh router, i think is TPlink. does it make sense to upgrade to Asus Zenwifi AX XD5 (2 unit) for double link house?
My router is placed upstairs common area. I like to extend a better reach to back wet kitchen, means going through concrete floor, and 2 walls.

The mesh extended router can be placed downstairs with direct line of sight, but front of house, also need to go through 2 walls to reach back wet kitchen.
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post Nov 16 2023, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(sitescope @ Nov 15 2023, 07:47 PM)
Need to draw easy to understand
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embeded. thanks for looking.
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QUOTE(dudester @ Nov 15 2023, 03:38 PM)
user posted image
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that "open air" above dining (di-ning, not din-ning).

is it four-wall corner all the way to top ceiling? means open air just for dining area.

or is it ground floor can see 2nd floor, and vice-versa ? i.e. just a guard rail or low wall to prevent falling off ledge?

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Nov 16 2023, 11:36 AM)
that "open air" above dining (di-ning, not din-ning).

is it four-wall corner all the way to top ceiling? means open air just for dining area.

or is it ground floor can see 2nd floor, and vice-versa ? i.e. just a guard rail or low wall to prevent falling off ledge?
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Actually error in drawing. the open air area is above the hall. is all the way from ground to ceiling.
This is the corrected layout.
second floor can look down like a 'balcony' over low wall with guard rails. I placed the TM router A on the guardrail so it is line of sight to B mesh.

user posted image
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QUOTE(dudester @ Nov 16 2023, 03:01 PM)
Actually error in drawing. the open air area is above the hall. is all the way from ground to ceiling.
This is the corrected layout.
second floor can look down like a 'balcony' over low wall with guard rails. I placed the TM router A on the guardrail so it is line of sight to B mesh.

user posted image
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can i suggest you put A where it already is, and B right below? vertically on top of each other albeit the cement floor is between them.
connected by cable.

right now there is no line-of-sight towards the kichen. LOS from B is obstructed from getting to kitchen.

if you move B to where A is, but for the lower floor, it can shine towards entrance of kitchen and bounce off the wall near that entrance.

worse comes to worst, you get another mesh node 'C' and install near that kitchen entrance. at worst, while C can be expected to only wirelessly link to B instead of direct to mesh root A, having A and B using direct cable will tremendously reduce the miliseconds.

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Nov 16 2023, 03:22 PM)
can i suggest you put A where it already is, and B right below?  vertically on top of each other albeit the cement floor is between them.
connected by cable.

right now there is no line-of-sight towards the kichen. LOS from B is obstructed from getting to kitchen.

if you move B to where A is, but for the lower floor, it can shine towards entrance of kitchen and bounce off the wall near that entrance.

worse comes to worst, you get another mesh node 'C' and install near that kitchen entrance. at worst, while C can be expected to only wirelessly link to B instead of direct to mesh root A, having A and B using direct cable will tremendously reduce the miliseconds.
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A to B by cable would be unsightly...
Good point on B losing LOS to kitchen, and placing under A may help, since it bounce off the dry kitchen walls.
Although i was told the antennas transmit upwards , so may have to direct it down.

Would you think the problem is the TM Tplink router? Would it help if i upgrade to the Asus XD5 ( 2 piece).
I know 3 pieces mesh would probably be the best, but that will be option 3.
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QUOTE(dudester @ Nov 16 2023, 03:29 PM)
A to B by cable would be unsightly...
Good point on B losing LOS to kitchen, and placing under A may help, since it bounce off the dry kitchen walls.
Although i was told the antennas transmit upwards , so may have to direct it down.

Would you think the problem is the TM Tplink router? Would it help if i upgrade to the Asus XD5 ( 2 piece).
I know 3 pieces mesh would probably be the best, but that will be option 3.
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i won't comment on the brand-specific, i won't claim expertise.

if you use the "cup"-like antenna, that's directional antenna. that one you will need to point to where you want it to be strongest.

as for wireless antenna, if it's the pointy type, it's called omni-directional antenna, the radiation is circular emanating around its upright vertical.
so if you want it to be stronger at same floor, by right, you point it towards the sky.
below is the typical radiation of omni antenna.

user posted image
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Nov 16 2023, 03:43 PM)
i won't comment on the brand-specific, i won't claim expertise.

if you use the "cup"-like antenna, that's directional antenna. that one you will need to point to where you want it to be strongest.

as for wireless antenna, if it's the pointy type, it's called omni-directional antenna, the radiation is circular emanating around its upright vertical.
so if you want it to be stronger at same floor, by right, you point it towards the sky.
below is the typical radiation of omni antenna.

user posted image
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Bought a TP-Link AX95 to upgrade my current AX20 for Unifi 300Mbps.

After much tinkering with the wifi settings and many testings, able to get this BufferBloat results.

Router is at ground floor and test is done using PC in 2nd floor room connected to 5GHz-1 (80MHz). For some reasons, AX95's 5GHz-2 has a weaker signal and has higher loaded latency than 5GHz-1.

AX95 (with QoS): https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?...f6-d74be03d3d04

AX20 (Without QoS):
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Thoughts on AX95 upgrade from AX20:
1) Speedtest using AX95 can achieve 320Mbps whereas AX20 is around 260Mbps with 5GHz at same location. Loaded latency is a lot better for AX95 vs AX20.

2) AX95's wifi signal strength dBm upstairs is still around the same as AX20. I thought AX95 would be able to provide a significant upgrade to Wifi signal strength but apparently it is not the case.
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Bricked my edgerouter x.. what should i get for replacement ?
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Nov 20 2023, 05:45 PM)
Bricked my edgerouter x.. what should i get for replacement ?
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Hello, I need some guidance from sifus here cause I've been reading around but my set up is a little bit atypical.

My home setup is:

1) Unifi modem to
2) Tp-link AX20 router to
3) Engenius EWS2910P switch to
4) Engenius wireless access points 1 on ground floor and 1 on upper floor (both connected via PoE to the Eugenius Switch)

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So basically I was doing okay on Unifi 500mbps but after recent speed upgrade to 800mbps, my network starts becoming unstable and disconnects especially at night. Got Unifi guys to check, basically they have ruled out external network factors, and suggest that I change a router - which they suggest a Fiberhome AX3000 which I read are not really good.

So I need advice on a router that could support up to 1Gbps - the mesh or wifi function is secondary as I would usually turn it off to use my engenius access points' wifi network.

Thank you!

This post has been edited by lancefire: Nov 21 2023, 12:29 PM

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