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QUOTE(soonwai @ Nov 20 2023, 10:12 PM)
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QUOTE(lancefire @ Nov 21 2023, 12:28 PM)
Hello, I need some guidance from sifus here cause I've been reading around but my set up is a little bit atypical.

My home setup is:

1) Unifi modem to
2) Tp-link AX20 router to
3) Engenius EWS2910P switch to
4) Engenius wireless access points 1 on ground floor and 1 on upper floor (both connected via PoE to the Eugenius Switch)

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So basically I was doing okay on Unifi 500mbps but after recent speed upgrade to 800mbps, my network starts becoming unstable and disconnects especially at night. Got Unifi guys to check, basically they have ruled out external network factors, and suggest that I change a router - which they suggest a Fiberhome AX3000 which I read are not really good.

So I need advice on a router that could support up to 1Gbps - the mesh or wifi function is secondary as I would usually turn it off to use my engenius access points' wifi network.

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Hey all, need some advice.
Using Time 500mbps
Current setup is Huawei HG8240H to ASUS RT-AC66U.

But recently having issues where some device wont be able to connect to the internet, and can only be solved by restarting the modem & router.
Usually only notice when family member come home then cannot connect, have to restart.

Please advise what device to upgrade to, like should I go for new modem+router combo or just get a new router?
(Would be nice to just have 1 device)

Mainly use for gaming & streaming netflix/youtube.
Price range, really dunno, please list from budget to mid-range laugh.gif


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After a bit of searching around, I'm kinda leaning towards the TUF AX4200

This post has been edited by nivlanauk: Nov 24 2023, 01:59 PM
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Hi Sifus: I would like to seek for advice.
I got an ASUS TUF-AX4200Q from China, I managed to got it connected to the internet but it seems like the wireless connection is not stable. For example, while my desktop computer connected via LAN cable can get 300 Mbps of test speed, my iPhone XR wireless connectivity seems like dropping from time to time and the spped test only gave me result of less than 10 Mbps. The other strange things is that my old IoT devices like the Xiaomi CCTVs are not able to connect to the wifi.

Appreciate you could advice. Attached are the screen shot of my router wireless setting.

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QUOTE(puawk1 @ Nov 27 2023, 08:18 AM)
Hi Sifus: I would like to seek for advice.
I got an ASUS TUF-AX4200Q from China, I managed to got it connected to the internet but it seems like the wireless connection is not stable. For example, while my desktop computer connected via LAN cable can get 300 Mbps of test speed, my iPhone XR wireless connectivity seems like dropping from time to time and the spped test only gave me result of less than 10 Mbps. The other strange things is that my old IoT devices like the Xiaomi CCTVs are not able to connect to the wifi.

Appreciate you could advice. Attached are the screen shot of my router wireless setting.

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post Nov 27 2023, 01:09 PM

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Why is the RT-AX86U pro is so expensive compared to TUF-AX6000? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(ellim33 @ Nov 27 2023, 01:09 PM)
Why is the RT-AX86U pro is so expensive compared to TUF-AX6000?  hmm.gif
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because of the "Pro"? 😅
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Nov 27 2023, 01:15 PM)
because of the "Pro"? 😅
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QUOTE(ellim33 @ Nov 27 2023, 01:30 PM)
Platform different and ram different

Ax86u pro, 1gb ram, broadcom quad core bcm4912

Tuf 6000, 512m ram, mediatek filogic 830 quad core


Broadcom got more support from Merlin (modded asuswrt for more features/plugins), mediatek must flash to openWRT for features beyond asuswrt
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QUOTE(nivlanauk @ Nov 24 2023, 12:49 PM)
Hey all, need some advice.
Using Time 500mbps
Current setup is Huawei HG8240H to ASUS RT-AC66U.

But recently having issues where some device wont be able to connect to the internet, and can only be solved by restarting the modem & router.
Usually only notice when family member come home then cannot connect, have to restart.

Please advise what device to upgrade to, like should I go for new modem+router combo or just get a new router?
(Would be nice to just have 1 device)

Mainly use for gaming & streaming netflix/youtube.
Price range, really dunno, please list from budget to mid-range  laugh.gif
______

After a bit of searching around, I'm kinda leaning towards the TUF AX4200
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Your RT-AC66U is probably more than 5 years old, it's time to move on. tongue.gif

TIME latest modem + router combo will perform worst than your RT-AC66U.

TUF-AX4200 is a good choice and a HUGE upgrade from RT-AC66U. Just don't get the China version like the guy below.

For a lower budget, the RT-AX57 is a good choice although I think the improvement is not that impressive from what you have now.

QUOTE(puawk1 @ Nov 27 2023, 08:18 AM)
Hi Sifus: I would like to seek for advice.
I got an ASUS TUF-AX4200Q from China, I managed to got it connected to the internet but it seems like the wireless connection is not stable. For example, while my desktop computer connected via LAN cable can get 300 Mbps of test speed, my iPhone XR wireless connectivity seems like dropping from time to time and the spped test only gave me result of less than 10 Mbps. The other strange things is that my old IoT devices like the Xiaomi CCTVs are not able to connect to the wifi.

Appreciate you could advice. Attached are the screen shot of my router wireless setting.

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Already repeat many times don't buy China domestic market routers and people still won't listen laugh.gif

There's no solution due to the low Wi-Fi transmit power
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Nov 27 2023, 08:22 PM)
Just don't get the China version like the guy below.

Already repeat many times don't buy China domestic market routers and people still won't listen laugh.gif

There's no solution due to the low Wi-Fi transmit power
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you wrote exactly what i had in mind while reading that post earlier in the morning.
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Nov 27 2023, 08:26 PM)
you wrote exactly what i had in mind while reading that post earlier in the morning.
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People just never learn.

Buying a router with <200mW transmit power and wonder why it performs worst than a router with close to 1000mW transmit power.

Probably worst than whatever our ISP is giving for free. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Nov 27 2023, 08:26 PM)
you wrote exactly what i had in mind while reading that post earlier in the morning.
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Nov 27 2023, 08:35 PM)
People just never learn.

Buying a router with <200mW transmit power and wonder why it performs worst than a router with close to 1000mW transmit power.

Probably worst than whatever our ISP is giving for free. laugh.gif
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Actually not that serious that problem. China and Europe is almost same in terms of transmit power limit, and maybe Singapore

Maybe go into expert settings can change region to Australia, can boost a little bit


I believe is not range issues, rather is because compatibility issues with certain devices with certain WiFi 6 unique features on. iPhone XR is WiFi 5 (AC ) device and unable to take advantage of WiFi 6 features anyway
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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Nov 27 2023, 09:23 PM)
Actually not that serious that problem. China and Europe is almost same in terms of transmit power limit, and maybe Singapore

Maybe go into expert settings can change region to Australia, can boost a little bit
I believe is not range issues, rather is because compatibility issues with certain devices with certain WiFi 6 unique features on. iPhone XR is WiFi 5 (AC ) device and unable to take advantage of WiFi 6 features anyway
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Let me explain it with some facts .

Our current UNII-1 and UNII-3 5GHz band EIRP limit is 1000mW, which is the same as FCC. That's 5x the amount of power of China (200mW).

Due to the logarithmic nature, the actual coverage with 1000mW EIRP is approximately around double of 200mW EIRP instead of 5x.

In layman terms, if all things remain consistent, you'll get around double the Wi-Fi speed and double the range. Let say you have a 500Mbps Internet plan, 1000mW might give you around 250Mbps after 2 walls. With 200mW, that's around 125Mbps.

And when all your neighbors are blasting in full 1000mW, your SNR would be horrible with just 200mW, you'll have packet loss and occassionally high ping.

Changing the Wi-Fi country code in ASUSWRT professional settings and whatever trick you saw on a famous China forum don't actually work too. I validated it. smile.gif

Anyways, most parts of EU can have up to 1000mW on RLAN 2 band. You can do up to 1000mW on UNII-3 band in SG as well.

Source:
https://www.mcmc.gov.my/skmmgovmy/media/Gen...WirelessLAN.pdf
https://www.imda.gov.sg/-/media/imda/files/...s/imdatssrd.pdf
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Nov 27 2023, 11:10 PM)
Let me explain it with some facts .

Our current UNII-1 and UNII-3 5GHz band EIRP limit is 1000mW, which is the same as FCC. That's 5x the amount of power of China (200mW).

Due to the logarithmic nature, the actual coverage with 1000mW EIRP is approximately around double of 200mW EIRP instead of 5x.

In layman terms, if all things remain consistent, you'll get around double the Wi-Fi speed and double the range. Let say you have a 500Mbps Internet plan, 1000mW might give you around 250Mbps after 2 walls. With 200mW, that's around 125Mbps.

And when all your neighbors are blasting in full 1000mW, your SNR would be horrible with just 200mW, you'll have packet loss and occassionally high ping.

Changing the Wi-Fi country code in ASUSWRT professional settings and whatever trick you saw on a famous China forum don't actually work too. I validated it. smile.gif

Anyways, most parts of EU can have up to 1000mW on RLAN 2 band. You can do up to 1000mW on UNII-3 band in SG as well.

Source:
https://www.mcmc.gov.my/skmmgovmy/media/Gen...WirelessLAN.pdf
https://www.imda.gov.sg/-/media/imda/files/...s/imdatssrd.pdf
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okay understood

https://incompliancemag.com/article/chinas-...-ghz-equipment/

as from this site (come with latest reference on china reg at the end of this article), as of 2022
UNII-1 is limit to 23dbm or 200mw
but UNII-3 is now able to go up to 33dbm or around 2000mw
of course might be the limit for outdoors usage, indoor usage may subject to additional limits

also china just opens up UNII-2A (one of DFS freqs immediately after UNII-1) for 160mhz usage. so for 160mhz still subject to limits as stated above. (only one 160mhz usable on china sets)

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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Nov 28 2023, 10:08 AM)
okay understood

https://incompliancemag.com/article/chinas-...-ghz-equipment/

as from this site (come with latest reference on china reg at the end of this article), as of 2022
UNII-1 is limit to 23dbm or 200mw
but UNII-3 is now able to go up to 33dbm or around 2000mw
of course might be the limit for outdoors usage, indoor usage may subject to additional limits

also china just opens up UNII-2A (one of DFS freqs immediately after UNII-1) for 160mhz usage. so for 160mhz still subject to limits as stated above. (only one 160mhz usable on china sets)

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Yup, that's maximum EIRP for outdoor AP or PtP wireless bridge.

Unfortunately, indoor AP and routers still strictly 200mW.
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Nov 27 2023, 08:22 PM)
Your RT-AC66U is probably more than 5 years old, it's time to move on. tongue.gif

TIME latest modem + router combo will perform worst than your RT-AC66U.

TUF-AX4200 is a good choice and a HUGE upgrade from RT-AC66U. Just don't get the China version like the guy below.

For a lower budget, the RT-AX57 is a good choice although I think the improvement is not that impressive from what you have now.
Already repeat many times don't buy China domestic market routers and people still won't listen laugh.gif

There's no solution due to the low Wi-Fi transmit power
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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Nov 27 2023, 12:55 PM)
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Thank you for your reply, I found out that the wifi issue was due to the Guest Network. Once I disabled the Guest Network, the wifi connectivity immediately back to normal and stable.

This morning I reset the router and configure the router from scratch, everything works as expected, including all old smart devices live cctv and lights connected to the router without any issue.

I also tested the wifi coverage for both the 2.4 Ghz and 5Ghz, it is almost the same as the older RT-AC86U, though the AC86U is slightly better. For example, AC86U 2.4Ghz available at approximately 20 meter from the router but the AX-4200 only up to 17 meter. Mine is Unifi 300 Mbps, the TM speed test showed 60+ Mbps download speed while I was 17 meter away from the router.

Regarding the Guest Network, as workaround, I only enable Guest Network-2
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I have been using the Asus RT-AX56U for more than 3 years and it served me well, even after FSU2023. However, I noticed one of my smart switches which is located at the farthest from the router will be disconnected from WIFI after a few days of usage. Not a device issue as I changed another smart switch that was also the same.

For all lot devices, I configured the guest 2.4GHz network separately. RT-AX56U is located in the living room, and that smart switch is located in the kitchen corner.

Any suggestion? Do I need to change the router or any cheap long-range AP available?
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QUOTE(puawk1 @ Nov 28 2023, 01:53 PM)
Thank you for your reply, I found out that the wifi issue was due to the Guest Network. Once I disabled the Guest Network, the wifi connectivity immediately back to normal and stable.

This morning I reset the router and configure the router from scratch, everything works as expected, including all old smart devices live cctv and lights connected to the router without any issue.

I also tested the wifi coverage for both the 2.4 Ghz and 5Ghz, it is almost the same as the older RT-AC86U, though the AC86U is slightly better. For example, AC86U 2.4Ghz available at approximately 20 meter from the router but the AX-4200 only up to 17 meter. Mine is Unifi 300 Mbps, the TM speed test showed 60+ Mbps download speed while I was 17 meter away from the router.   

Regarding the Guest Network, as workaround, I only enable Guest Network-2
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rt ac86u is from china or local set? maybe the reason is below:

rt ac86u 2.4ghz is 3 streams (3x3)

tuf ax4200 2.4ghz is 2 streams (2x2)

the more the antenna are the greater the range

same can be say for 5ghz
rt ac86u 4 streams (4x4)
tuf ax4200 3 streams (3x3)

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ultimately for range along going from ac86u to ax4200, expect some downgrade. you will need go for ax6000 or ax5700 models for similar range
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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Nov 28 2023, 02:13 PM)
rt ac86u is from china or local set? maybe the reason is below:

rt ac86u 2.4ghz is 3 streams (3x3)

tuf ax4200 2.4ghz is 2 streams (2x2)

the more the antenna are the greater the range

same can be say for 5ghz
rt ac86u 4 streams (4x4)
tuf ax4200 3 streams (3x3)

user posted image

ultimately for range along going from ac86u to ax4200, expect some downgrade. you will need go for ax6000 or ax5700 models for similar range
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My AC86U also from China, bought in 2020, so far I am very happy with it.
With the new AX4200, I will add the AC86U as Mesh node, will let the AX4200 run for few days to check the stability.

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