maybe KLBoy can take over, since he's always online, if he's willing though. We try someone new for V15?

KLthinker91


Given your serious allegations & respectfully coming from you, i trust that they are all first person accounts & not merely hearsay, eh jul?

SIBKL has 4k members, so i'm sure in every congregation, there will be bad eggs, no? Wheat & tares?

They seem to be very transparent with where their funds are going. Have been church planting very well in your home state. They gave a break down of the funds at the 1st service of the year.

Particularly active arnd the Ranau area (missions) if i'm not mistaken, where witchcraft is extremely strong.

Also, the pastors are highly accountable to each other. They slug it out, or so i've heard.

You know, Ps Chew admitted that he fell morally some 30 odd years ago, at one of the services a few months back. You could literally hear a pin drop atm across the sanctuary



Dear penguin,

A higher regard for other Christians might be in the works for u. I don't agree with Cessationists & Calvinists & OSAS people either. But i never tell them that they're not SAVED.

Like, for instance, when you PM'ed me some time back, telling me i'm not saved

So, is this guy zanness saved? Since he's also a KJV ONLY BAPTIST OSAS advocate like your good self? :

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=93505071

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=93627247



U have no business telling others that they do not revere the Bible as much as, or quite possibly more than you do, just because you're KJV only.

So what Bible do non-english speaking Christians read? e.g. KJV Swahili?

The problem is that you seem unable to discuss something without digging at people personally...occasionally some people need a reminder that their remarks are unacceptable.

It is unacceptable to berate others because they do not share your opinion. Btw, did the mods ban your penguin a/c for misbehaviour again?

I've plenty of doctrinal differences with UW, but never once, have i PM'ed him, calling him a dog & spitting in his face, spirit of anti-Christ, etc.

Christians are judged by their fruits.

Perhaps you should describe yourself as a Bible reader instead, rather than a Christian?

As per usual. The usual people now team up to gang me. It's ok. I know which side I am on. And I know which side those people who attack me are on.

It's a privilege to be called a "Bible Reader". That's the thing. It prove my point. I know the destination of most of you here.

The thing is. I will be probably be looking at you guys during the Great White Throne of judgement. Just like the rich man is begging Lazarus. But of course you guys will probably be mocking me till then. Keep on mocking. Because time is short.
EOS

Nope

It's a first hand account.

I am not aiming at the members. The church is a place for SINNERS. AND REPENTANCE.

I am pointing at the leaders who do not preach the sin of adultery, knowing the number of big towkays in the audience.
Fact, some of the mistresses were confused. Confused because a certain preacher pointed out the sin of adultery.
So confused they seek the preacher(who was never invited back thereafter) to seek counsel.

Maybe now Pastor Chew is convicted of the sin of adultery. Good for him.

No

I chat in /k for fun not seriousness. I just show up here every now and then in support.

People wouldn't like my moderation. I'd slam the brakes on the slightest ad hominem and put a stop to endless pointless debate that degenerates into a tit for tat. I'd kick out any provocateur of other faith coming in at the drop of a hat the moment I suspect mala fides. And on a bad hair day it wouldn't take much to provoke me at all.

Unwise? Probably. Because I know I'm unwise and unsuitable. And having Christian communities run by people chosen because they have free time, instead of being suitable, is the bane of the modern church organisation.

So the best I can say to you all is, good luck. You'll always have my support as a fellow Christian, such as it is. But I want no say in the running of thread affairs, other than this small 2 sen:



Quoting a billion verses is nothing if you use it to attack your brethren (some might probably know what verse to cite here but I'll refrain)

Don't be easily provoked and love ie forgive your brothers (something which I myself struggle with, obviously)

Love too is a deed and a work, and it is indeed charity too as much as giving away objects and cash, for you are giving chance or giving face or forgiving your fellow man

And remember that someday we may all join together in heaven, face to face rather than through a (computer) glass darkly, and laugh at the stupidity of our sinful selves

So all of you regulars be more charitable, and loving, to one another. That is better than any thread moderation.

KLboy out

Actually I was thinking about something. The fact that I was called a Bible Reader and not a Christian is already a judgement by itself.

Wow....such presumption

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/city...e-out-of-prison

City Harvest Church founder Kong Hee was released from jail yesterday after serving more than two years for his role in misusing millions of dollars in church funds.

He remains a spiritual leader in the church, although he has not been on the payroll since 2005.

In a statement on the church's website, its board and senior management said that Mr Kong will be "taking a period to spend time with his family, especially his elderly parents".

While in jail, he spent most of his time seeking and studying "the things of God", the statement said.

Mr Kong also thanked church members for all their prayers for him and his family.

"Your letters brought him comfort and joy," said the statement, which also urged members to continue to keep Mr Kong, his wife Ho Yeow Sun, son Dayan and parents in prayer.

With his jail sentence reduced from eight years to 31/2 years upon appeal, Mr Kong's release came a day before he turned 55.

He served two years and four months. Inmates are usually given one-third remission on their sentence for good behaviour.

His sentence was the longest among the six church leaders who were involved in misappropriating $50 million in church funds, in the largest case of misuse of charitable funds in Singapore's history.

In 2017, the Commissioner of Charities permanently barred Mr Kong and the five other leaders from holding key management positions or being a board member in City Harvest Church or any other charity.

This is to protect the church's assets, given that they were convicted of offences involving dishonesty and/or deception.

The commissioner, Dr Ang Hak Seng, also prohibited the church from hiring or appointing the six without his approval. He told The Straits Times that he has not received any such request from City Harvest regarding Mr Kong.

A City Harvest spokesman told ST that Mr Kong Hee is not a church employee, and has not been on the payroll since 2005.

The spokesman added: "His role in the City Harvest Church as senior pastor is a spiritual one; he has no executive role."

Contacted at his Upper Bukit Timah home yesterday, Mr Kong declined comment.

Neighbours said his family moved into the terraced house about a year ago.

Besides Mr Kong, the rest of the church's leaders also had their terms shortened. Four of the other five convicted in the case have also been released from jail.

The four are: Former deputy senior pastor Tan Ye Peng, former finance managers Serina Wee and Sharon Tan, and former finance committee member John Lam.

The fifth, former fund manager Chew Eng Han, had his sentence of three years and four months extended by 13 months after he tried to flee the country. He will be the last to complete his sentence.

The six were originally charged and convicted of criminal breach of trust as agents under Section 409 of the Penal Code in 2015 after a 142-day trial, and given jail terms ranging from 21 months to eight years.

These were all reduced after an appeal, in which the court accepted that an agent is someone who is a professional agent and not company directors or key officers of charities, such as the City Harvest leaders.

Last month, The Sunday Times reported that City Harvest Church collected $29 million in donations last year, marking a near 40 per cent drop from the $47 million it raised from November 2016 to December 2017.

It had about 16,000 church members last year and was among the top 10 richest charities by donations here.

I think my salvation is to the Lord.
I was asking out of curiosity as some matters have happened.

It is my personal preference that I seek only a KJV preaching church.
But my personal preference was not imprinted to you, isn't it?

You're shaming yourself by doing such accusations..

Salvation must come with repentance.. if you know me well enough i have said this years ago in this forum about repentance..

unfortunately your problem is you have let your emotions drive you to be a stumbling block ..

I don't see what's the issue with some people prefer to use KJV version, as for me i myself is also using nkjv version sometimes esv. So whoever got problem with the Bible version preference I think they need to broaden their views

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This post has been edited by De_Luffy: Aug 26 2019, 02:37 PM

Interesting, where you got this from? God never directly appoints any specified leader to rule over all the Christian in one place, I think that's smart, otherwise there will be only one corrupted entity misused the authority.

I didn't say anything about any specific leader ruling all Christians, I just mentioned God being the head.

Ya but many leader also said the leading sounds from the God, cannot abandon the light of the truth, there you go the split when doctrine view is different

God give different leaders different gifting. Even if the doctrine views are different, the core primary doctrines is what unite all churches.

Google council of churches Malaysia. Different denomination but we are one body of Christ as what Christ has said in the Bible.

The ear cannot say it doesn't need the eye.

Core primary doctrines is subjective to denomination. For eg some church may view issue of the practice of baptisms lightly than Baptist Church as that's their core doctrine, otherwise why would they left Anglican Church?

You need to find out more what does primary doctrine means and No, practise of baptism is are secondary doctrine.

btw have you google on Council of Churches? Do you know who they are?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 1 2019, 09:49 PM

if it's secondary, why does baptist came out from anglican? primary to you doesn't mean secondary to others, vice versa. doctrines divide, that's the reality.

Ok, I see that you don't believe what I've said and neither do you wish to even find out about Council of Churches of Malaysia how they are made up of different denomination YET are a body of Christ, then it's ok. If you call them they will explain what is primary doctrine and what is secondary doctrine. You can ask your local church pastor if you want.

Have a good day, God bless.

You can't even explain my question. I'm not asking a certain problem in Malaysia, in general there are thousands of denomination and this is a fact. Did I say Christ have many body?

What exactly is your question again?