Servetus states his view clearly in the preamble to Restoration of Christianity (1553): "There is nothing greater, reader, than to recognize that God has been manifested as substance, and that His divine nature has been truly communicated. We shall clearly apprehend the manifestation of God through the Word and his communication through the Spirit, both of them substantially in Christ alone."[44]

This theology, though original in some respects, has often been compared to Adoptionism, Arianism, and Sabellianism, all of which Trinitarians rejected in favour of the belief that God exists eternally in three distinct persons. Nevertheless, Servetus rejected these theologies in his books: Adoptionism, because it denied Jesus's divinity;[45] Arianism, because it multiplied the hypostases and established a rank;[46] and Sabellianism, because it seemingly confused the Father with the Son, though Servetus himself does appear to have denied or diminished the distinctions between the Persons of the Godhead, rejecting the Trinitarian understanding of One God in Three Persons.[47]

The incomprehensible God is known through Christ, by faith, rather than by philosophical speculations. He manifests God to us, being the expression of His very being, and through him alone, God can be known. The scriptures reveal Him to those who have faith; and thus we come to know the Holy Spirit as the Divine impulse within us.[48]

Under severe pressure from Catholics and Protestants alike, Servetus clarified this explanation in his second book, Dialogues (1532), to show the Logos coterminous with Christ. He was nevertheless accused of heresy because of his insistence on denying the dogma of the Trinity and the distinctions between the three divine Persons in one God.

Servetus also had very unorthodox views on the end times. He believed that he was the Michael referenced in both Daniel and Revelation who would fight the Antichrist. Furthermore, he believed that all this would take place in his lifetime. This possibly explains his decision to visit Calvin in Geneva. Servetus could have thought that he was somehow bringing about the beginnings of the end times by facing those who argued and fought against him.

So what the Apostles did to the early converts were mere rituals. Interesting beliefs we have on this thread.

There is nothing new under the sun. Just like Jehovah Witnesses is the modern day resurfacing of the Arian heresy.

Yes it is wrong because the 3 Divine Persons are distinct yet the same One God. And to change Scripture to your liking ....you know...

This post has been edited by yeeck: Aug 6 2018, 11:06 AM

The very fact that you changed Scripture already shows your deviousness.

And twisting Scripture to your own perdition.

Not by being deceptive and changing scripture to your own whims and fancies.

"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:16

If you think your beliefs have not been considered and debated before by the early Church, you are dead wrong.

That's the consequence of misinterpreting Scripture to own's own destruction, simple as that.

Whatever floats your boat, UW.

He himself admitted to changing the scripture. Don't Protestants use Scripture as the standard to debate on issues?

So after admitting to changing scripture, he's playing the victim card now and claims I'm persecuting him? Gosh....

And Jesus prays to Himself ya in the Garden of Gethsemane? What is the formula for baptism for Unitarians? Oh wait...they don't believe in baptism for the remission of sin.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Aug 13 2018, 01:42 PM

"So it is the flesh (or temple) of Jesus praying to the Spirit of God the Father!" What?

You skipped the question on the formula for baptism. Why? Because it doesn't jive with your doctrines? If Jesus is God, why wouldn't Mary deserve the title Mother of God?

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" - Hebrews 1:1-14

Surely you are aware that the terms Father, Son, Holy Spirit exists in Scripture and not only from your anti-Catholic sources, right?

Matt 3:16-17; 28:19; 2 Cor 13:14; John 14:16; 17:5

This post has been edited by yeeck: Aug 20 2018, 03:23 PM

So Jesus did things just for symbol, huh? What happened to the Great Commission? Just a symbol, feel-good saying? The thief on the cross for one, was technically still under the Old Covenant, but Jesus being God forgave his sins based on his repentance and promised him Paradise. Just because you can't find the term Trinity in Scripture doesn't mean it is not implied there. Even the term Bible is not mentioned.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Aug 20 2018, 05:18 PM

Because it is called pick and choose, which is the reason for the multiplication of denominations. A classic case of interpreting Scripture to one's own perdition.

Read up Luke 10:16 and Matt 18:17.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Aug 21 2018, 11:09 AM

So according to you, Jesus is not God before His Resurrection, only human? Amazing...

What? Still being a human but is God, but not appropriate to call himself God? So is Jesus God or not even before his resurrection? Getting personal huh once pointed out? Amazing...

If He is not God before His Resurrection why would He say "I and the Father are one"? You are trying to win over argument but confusing others.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Aug 28 2018, 06:41 PM

"He was just mumbling to Himself"

2) An infinite divine nature from his divine Father ?

So the Father and Jesus are different persons.

And no, even a normal person does not pray to himself.

To learn religion from Hollywood is rubbish.