TNCC? No idea

I know someone who goes there, it's not that bad. They're not scammers.

But not my cup of tea. I'm more traditional. Then again I dont like most of the large churches in Malaysia either so...

depends which

from experience, SIB and DUMC are okay, and they're 2 of the biggest

I'm curious

What kind of repentance are you asking for?

And are you against tithing?

BTW I'm just saying upfront, I dont like some things about these guys, but IMO SIB for one disposes of its money in missions very well. They have a decent strategy and they follow through... unlike some others I've seen with all sorts of crazy ideas.

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Aug 8 2019, 02:06 PM

No, you don't.

You do have a point.

But look at it this way - a tithe is a sacrifice. We all have to sacrifice and put in our time and effort (or money, which is fungible time and effort) for God and the Church, right? So one way or another, it has to exist. And the church facilitates the gathering of our individual efforts to accomplish something that individually we cannot.

The system we have now is basically the church leaders are the ones who will decide how to spend the money, which they are well placed to do being in full time service, and the congregation reviews their efforts and votes with their money if the church is being a good steward. Right?

I agree it's not a perfect system. But what is? I can't think of anything else myself. Can you?

Do you refer to me?

I have been nothing but polite in the few times I've been here

I don't even drop by more than once a month at the very most, certainly less than 10 times a year

And on this single, uncommon occasion I'm here trying to discuss something admittedly controversial, but politely, and I haven't even gotten in more than 2 posts on the subject before being labelled

And this passive aggressive bullshit is what I get. I would have expected it from the ranting sylar but certainly not from someone who had taken a stab at being thread moderator even previously.

So be it. Have a nice day.

prophetjul I was looking forward to a discussion of a better church financing model, but here we are. Some other time perhaps.

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Aug 10 2019, 01:06 AM

No

I chat in /k for fun not seriousness. I just show up here every now and then in support.

People wouldn't like my moderation. I'd slam the brakes on the slightest ad hominem and put a stop to endless pointless debate that degenerates into a tit for tat. I'd kick out any provocateur of other faith coming in at the drop of a hat the moment I suspect mala fides. And on a bad hair day it wouldn't take much to provoke me at all.

Unwise? Probably. Because I know I'm unwise and unsuitable. And having Christian communities run by people chosen because they have free time, instead of being suitable, is the bane of the modern church organisation.

So the best I can say to you all is, good luck. You'll always have my support as a fellow Christian, such as it is. But I want no say in the running of thread affairs, other than this small 2 sen:



Quoting a billion verses is nothing if you use it to attack your brethren (some might probably know what verse to cite here but I'll refrain)

Don't be easily provoked and love ie forgive your brothers (something which I myself struggle with, obviously)

Love too is a deed and a work, and it is indeed charity too as much as giving away objects and cash, for you are giving chance or giving face or forgiving your fellow man

And remember that someday we may all join together in heaven, face to face rather than through a (computer) glass darkly, and laugh at the stupidity of our sinful selves

So all of you regulars be more charitable, and loving, to one another. That is better than any thread moderation.

KLboy out

Why can't you both be right?

Fact: we know there is salvation through belief and repentance alone. Jesus said so himself to the thief on the cross.

Fact: we know there are works to be done in the world, we have a duty. Amongst many other writings, Jesus said, give away (actually, invest) what you have, it is easier for a camel than a rich man... you know the rest.

Above all things I believe God is not stupid. He would know where is the limit of one's ability to act on one's faith. He would know if one who does many good deeds is truly a believer or not. His knowledge is not bounded by space-time, he would know before we do ourselves what our future acts will be. He would even know what the potential acts of people would be - maybe that's how children and those who have never heard the Word are judged.

The first shall be last and the last shall be first. We think we know who is who now, but there will certainly be many surprises when we meet again in heaven. God is not mocked. Actions are all we can see, but he sees the heart.

Hence why I respectfully disagree with bolded above.

Happy Malaysia day to all my fellow Christians, may God bless you in all that you are

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Sep 16 2019, 12:03 PM