No doubt there are denominations but it depends on spiritual maturity of the believer.

For me I don't see it as something of a problem because based on what I read in Bible I do believe Christ already knew this and yet He prayed that we may all be as one in Father God and in Him (Christ).

If you are afraid of secondary doctrines that may lead to disqualification of Salvation ie Baptism of water, then consider the dying thief at the cross, He wasn't baptized in water yet He was given the grace of Salvation. I do not think for one moment God will be inconsistent in his truth or his act of grace, God is a favor of none but is Just to all.

Does this answer your question? Because to be honest, I don't really want to argue with believers or none believers at this point in time, not really in the mood.

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Oh then the Baptist will not approve this, it's base on the scripture they practice water baptisms. Are you trying to take the scripture lightly? Are you going to say that `nah as long as you repent in your heart you no need to be baptist coz bla bla bla`, your stance sounds blury bro, and you're not the thief besides Jesus.

This post has been edited by azriqii: Sep 3 2019, 02:02 PM

Anyway.
Your fruits are pretty rotten to be honest. Do you know why most people are silent towards you? Because they dun really think you are a Christian especially the fact that you actually admitted that the Bible is not the only source of Truth. And to be honest, from your perspective. I can understand. The thing is, you never were serious about doctrines in the first place. Like most people, the only reason why you seek for "knowledge" is because you want to have an advantage over others. You want to show to others how "better" you are as compared to them. But then you do not really care whether your "knowledge" is the Truth or not. The thing is, this is pretty narcissistic actually.

Actually it would have been better if you "think" that cessationalist and Calvinist and OSAS people are unsaved. At least you are being honest. Do not pretend to call them brothers when they are not.

Well, I am not the only one who thinks you are unsaved at the moment. But yes, I do have a standard when it comes to determine who is my brother or not. Its simple actually. One of the criteria is that saved people love the truth. Something that you not only do not love. But then pervert as well.

Thanks for sharing the 2 threads actually.
I now have serious reservation about that guy. See I am consistent right?

Nah. I once tried being nice to you right? But then what does being nice to a Judas Iscariot achieve? Nothing right?

Well. It's my choice. By the way, if you read the Bible carefully, Paul and Jesus also attack people who are Heretics. But I guess you are reading a different Bible then I am right? Oops. You dun really read the Bible. I forgot. Sorry.

Actually, I did that in a playful spirit. Ok I admit I am a sinner and narcissistic people like you get onto my nerve. I have met many narcissistic people in my life and it fill me up with rage. Of course, I know, I should have controlled myself. But then I am a sinner. But then it's something that I will not do in the future. Only a narcissistic person would share private messages to the public. And that's the thing. You think your deeds are good enough to send you to heaven. Well. Just want to remind you. Your narcissistic personality only reveal how sick you really are. And I always feel that narcissists are children of Satan. They have the same characteristic as them and now I understand why you made me so angry. But yes, I have to control myself. And yes, I will probably not make that same mistake again as I know what is probably going to happen to you after you die.

The thing is, I do have a gift in discerning the spirit of someone and to be honest. It's not looking good for you right now.

I will answer your question on the KJB part since you ask. I am sure you understand how perfection works. If you dun, then I guess your education must be pretty wasted.

Of course, if someone speak Swahill, and there is another Bible that matches the KJB in his language. Of course he can use that Bible. It's clear that the modern translation does not match up with the KJB so of course, the modern translations and the KJB cannot be perfect at the same time. It's either the KJB is perfect or one of the modern translation is perfect or both are not perfect. The idea that the KJB is perfect comes from the fruits that it has produced over the years and also by faith that God has preserved His words perfectly. If you do not believe in a perfect bible, then you probably do not believe in a perfect God. I can really write a lot based on the KJB, in fact,

I do not really care whether you think I am a Christian or not. I do not seek your approval. I seek God's approval. If I seek for other approval, I would not be writing the way I write. The thing is you are seeking for other people's approval. All your post shows that. A Christian is secured in Christ. You are not. But I doubt you even understand.

And why does it even matter to you if my account is suspended? You see only narcissist cares about surface things on whether other people's account got suspended or who manages the thread etc. A thread that has not been active for months. A normal person will not care about those things. A narcissist however will care

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 3 2019, 06:23 PM

I tried, but I still don't understand.

Are you saying that people from different denominations are not saved?

Are you a Christian and do you understand what is the gospel?

This post has been edited by thomasthai: Sep 4 2019, 05:59 AM

Both also not correct. I'm talking about division issue la

Ok, so you are bothered by the issue of division among Christians.

If we look at scriptures, the only issues that caused the Apostles pull their beards out are the issues about salvation/gospel and the person/deity of Christ.

Based on these 2 criterias, all other doctrines are secondary and no big issues to fight about (not even the mode of baptism)

As long as you know the gospel and believe it, you are saved and a Christian.

It is human weakness that causes division.

One day we will all see the light and become presbyterians, but until then, men will always have different opinions.

Funny you said before that salvation is by grace and works.
So which is which now.

2 John 1
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

But then the Bible is never your standard right?

That's why I told azriqii, I do not really trust anybody.

That's a serious accusation. You better provide evidence.

I take back what I said.

However the other part stands.

Funny that you cannot do that.

But then when you find fault on me, you seem harsh but then when it's the other way round, it suddenly become a serious accusation right?

So why dun you do us all a favour and answer the other part then.

Just want to clarify why I "made" the mistake.

You once said that faith = salvation + works. As for me, faith = salvation. Because faith itself will lead to good works. Faith produces works so it's wrong to even say that faith = salvation + works in the first place. So yeah, I made a mistake. Congratulations. You made it.

But as usual. You point out my mistake but then at the same time fail to answer the rest. So what does that make you? To be honest, even an atheist is much better then you. Just admit it ok.

The reason why you want to highlight my mistakes is to make yourself look good right?

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 4 2019, 12:11 PM

I affirm all the 5 solas of the Reformation.
Sola Scriptura
Sola Gratia
Sola fide
Sola Christus
Soli Deo Gloria

Scripture is the sole source of authority for Christian faith and practice.

Look, if I have called you something nasty in the past, please forgive me.

Let's just agree to disagree.

Unfortunately you do not practice that in this thread.

And what do you mean by scripture is the sole source of authority?

Which scripture?

The NIV? ESV, KJB

Which differs from each other?

How can they be equally authoritative if they differ from each other?

You and your KJV obsession.

There are no original letters written by the new testament writers left today. So who determines which manuscript is the best preserved? There are close to 6000 greek texts out there and they are all different.

This is a fact.

You would be presumptious if you say that God protected only 1 out of the 6000 and that one made it to the KJV.

Even the KJV was was the product of multiple manuscripts.

There are no major doctrinal differences in the greek manuscripts.

I honestly think you are too obsessed with finding the best manuscript.

Why are we arguing different version of Bible now?

Even the KJV is not perfect.

The only perfect version is the original written texts, which are no longer with us.

As you can see, we are all human.

I never asserted that kjb is not a product of multiple manuscripts in fact it emphasize the truth in the kjb. Because they could have easily used a single manuscript to translate but then the fact is, thru have to use multiple manuscripts because the translators realize that the truth is not found in just the texts receptus itself.

You just admitted that you do not believe in the scriptures BTW. So why pretend?

Well then it proves you do not believe in God's words then

Can you briefly outline any doctrinal differences if let's say I use the KJV and the ESV bible?

If you can't give any examples, then you are talking nonsense.