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thomasthai
post Jul 13 2018, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Jul 11 2018, 05:00 AM)
Firstly you say that Calvinist believe in monergism. But you agree with Christian synergism.

You are clearly contradicting yourself.

What is there to fear anymore, when my soul is no longer in danger of Hell fire since I can’t be unsaved? I'm already elected & predestined & i believe that Jesus died for my sins on the cross.

Not Buddha, not Mohamed, etc. So your point on works salvation is moot. 

The fear of the Lord is no longer there. God is only Love, Love & Love from now on.

Also, what is the difference whether I lust after the porn stars or really committing adultery in the flesh since I can’t be unsaved? Since you said the below yourself :
This is what you've been led to believe. You're just regurgitating what you've been taught.

Are you trying to tell me that fighting over a parking spot is equivalent in magnitude to committing adultery? At which point will i be "cut off & burned?"
Im not contradicting myself because my idea of synergism is different from yours.

Your synergism is on justification, mine in on sanctification.

Your idea of the doctrine of election is a get out of jail card which can you can use over and over again.

The true doctrine of election is God sovereignly puts His law in the believers' heart and draws him into the kingdom, as opposed to the arminians idea that God drags the sinner kicking and screaming into where he does not want to be.

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No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:44 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.6.44.NASB




(To be continued..)

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post Jul 13 2018, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 12 2018, 05:47 PM)
4. Do not spark an argument or to cause excessive argument, both are not allowed, your post will be deleted and report to Admin of Forum[/b]

I just noticed this, what constitute an argument that is not allowed?
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post Jul 15 2018, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 15 2018, 01:14 AM)
Our page has been in the moderators spotlight since last year, due to too much arguments and that's not well with kopitiam motto,, you can have serious discussion but not argument, don't argue your belief on other that's what ts is saying
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@Mr Wong,

This will be my last post on this matter, please consider these verses:

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just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
Ephesians 1:4‭-‬5 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/eph.1.4-5.NASB


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For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
Philippians 1:6 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/php.1.6.NASB


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For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
Romans 8:29‭-‬30 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.8.29-30.NASB


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Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness, in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago,
Titus 1:1‭-‬2 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/tit.1.1-2.NASB


These are all pertaining to the salvation of the elects.

If you tell me that election is not true, you are denying the normal, explicit meaning of these verses and the perspicuity of scripture.

If the scripture doesnt say what it means, and doesnt mean what it says, it is unintelligible and meaningless.

I'll move on from here and let others have other discussions.

God bless.



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post Jul 17 2018, 08:17 AM

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"Israel My Elect"

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, I promise you this will be my last piece on Sovereign Election rclxs0.gif

I just have this heavy burden in my heart to help others understand the scripture more, and consequently love the word of God.

If you understand Sovereign Election, you will understand the story of Israel. Get Israel right, you will get election right. The whole bible from Genesis to Revelations will make so much more sense if you understand this.

The old testament calls YHWH the God of Israel more than 200 times. We know that God calls Israel His elect (chosen one)

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"For the sake of Jacob My servant, And Israel My chosen one,  I have also called you by your name; I have given you a title of honor Though you have not known Me.
Isaiah 45:4 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/isa.45.4.NASB


Have you ever wondered why did God choose Israel?

To understand this, we have to understand the Abrahamic Covenant.

Lets go to Genesis 12 and see the Abrahamic Covenant.

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Now the Lord said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you; And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."
Genesis 12:1‭-‬3 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/gen.12.1-3.NASB


Then in chapter 15, God does something really intriguing to ratify the covenant.

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He said, "O Lord God , how may I know that I will possess it?" So He said to him, "Bring Me a three year old heifer, and a three year old female goat, and a three year old ram, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon." Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, and laid each half opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds. The birds of prey came down upon the carcasses, and Abram drove them away.  Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror and great darkness fell upon him. God said to Abram, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years. But I will also judge the nation whom they will serve, and afterward they will come out with many possessions. As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age. Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete."  It came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which passed between these pieces.
Genesis 15:8‭-‬17 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/gen.15.8-17.NASB


In the old days, kings who are in a covenant cut up animals and walk through them to ratify the covenant. Its a reminder that whoever breaks the covenant, he will end up like the animals.

Here we see God knocked Abraham out, and He Himself passed through the animal pieces.

What does this mean? The covenant does not depend on Abraham to fulfil, but God Himself will fulfil the covenant The covenant doesnt depend on the performance of Abraham.

(to be continued)

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post Jul 17 2018, 08:53 AM

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The plan of salvation through the line of Abraham was revealed in the Abrahamic covenant. And the covenant is Unconditional.

Let's fast forward to the 40 years in desert, where we have Moses preparing the Israelites to go into the promised land. It is said that 70% of the bible is the story of Israel. Maybe theres something in the story of Israel God wants to show us.

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Then the Lord said to Moses, "Behold, the time for you to die is near; call Joshua, and present yourselves at the tent of meeting, that I may commission him." So Moses and Joshua went and presented themselves at the tent of meeting. The Lord appeared in the tent in a pillar of cloud, and the pillar of cloud stood at the doorway of the tent. The Lord said to Moses, "Behold, you are about to lie down with your fathers; and this people will arise and play the harlot with the strange gods of the land, into the midst of which they are going, and will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them. Then My anger will be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them and hide My face from them, and they will be consumed, and many evils and troubles will come upon them; so that they will say in that day, 'Is it not because our God is not among us that these evils have come upon us?' But I will surely hide My face in that day because of all the evil which they will do, for they will turn to other gods.  "Now therefore, write this song for yourselves, and teach it to the sons of Israel; put it on their lips, so that this song may be a witness for Me against the sons of Israel. For when I bring them into the land flowing with milk and honey, which I swore to their fathers, and they have eaten and are satisfied and become prosperous, then they will turn to other gods and serve them, and spurn Me and break My covenant. Then it shall come about, when many evils and troubles have come upon them, that this song will testify before them as a witness (for it shall not be forgotten from the lips of their descendants); for I know their intent which they are developing today, before I have brought them into the land which I swore." So Moses wrote this song the same day, and taught it to the sons of Israel.
Deuteronomy 31:14‭-‬22 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/deu.31.14-22.NASB


Here we have God telling Moses to record a song and teach it the generations of Israelites so the song will be a witness to God of the idolatry and wickness of the fathers to the future Israelites, all before they even apostatised.

God knew they were going to apostatised even before they have done it, so why did God chose the Israelites for this plan of salvation? Did God think that they will perform better than the gentiles?

Of course not. He chose them because He has predetermined to set His love on them, no other reasons. This is Sovereign Election again.

Sure enough, Israel subsequently apostasised for hundreds of years. Then we have God giving indictment after indictment in the books of the prophets.

We cant go through all of them, but I just want to point out a few verses to show the plan of the new covenant.

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"I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
Zechariah 12:10 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/zec.12.10.NASB


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"Nevertheless, I will remember My covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you. Then you will remember your ways and be ashamed when you receive your sisters, both your older and your younger; and I will give them to you as daughters, but not because of your covenant. Thus I will establish My covenant with you, and you shall know that I am the Lord , so that you may remember and be ashamed and never open your mouth anymore because of your humiliation, when I have forgiven you for all that you have done," the Lord God declares.
Ezekiel 16:60‭-‬63 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/ezk.16.60-63.NASB


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"Behold, days are coming," declares the Lord , "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the Lord . "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the Lord , "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jeremiah 31:31‭-‬33 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jer.31.31-33.NASB


Can you count the number of "I will"s in all those prophecies regarding the new saving covenants? God will cause future Israel to repent, when He sends His Spirit to regenerate them.
This is an expansion of the Abrahamic covenant and the basis of the new saving covenant even to the gentiles.

The doctrine of election throughout the bible is deafening! Calvin couldnt have invented that even if he wanted to.

The bible is so clear when we understand the covenants. I hope you have been blessed by this.

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post Jul 17 2018, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 17 2018, 09:03 AM)
Thomas

Nice exegesis. Israel replacement theology is a heresy.

Here is another passage on God's chosing of Israel
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That pretty much sums up everything.
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post Jul 17 2018, 09:15 AM

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Ironically, replacement theology is the teaching of most calvinistic churches sweat.gif

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post Jul 17 2018, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 17 2018, 09:17 AM)
How Calvinism counter this verse?
Romans 11:18 (NIV) - do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
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Basically they consider it as 'do not brag about your salvation because it came from the "root"'

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 17 2018, 09:33 AM)
Martin Luther maybe one too

Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265)
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I guess during that time, the reformers were fighting the grace war with catholics. The focus wasnt there to properly develop eschatology I suppose?
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post Jul 23 2018, 08:25 AM

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@Mr Wong
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I do not agree to TULIP (pillars of Calvinism). I understand that not all Calvinists agree to all 5 points of TULIP either. Perhaps some even just hold on to Perseverance of the Saints.

Funny, the way i see it, the 5 all stand or they all fall. I dont see anyway around it laugh.gif
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As for the Elect, the million dollar question is, you don't know & won't know, whether you're in that particular group until after you die  wink.gif    Only God knows who is predestined in that sense.
Believe it or not, the bible commands us to have assurance in our salvation.
John's 1st epistle is written to the saints so that we have assurance of eternal life.
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These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:13 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1jn.5.13.NASB


The whole epistle is a series of doctrinal tests, so you can practically examine whether you are in the faith.
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Christology- you must have a correct view of Christ
Do not love anything in the world
Love your brothers
Testing the doctrines of false teachers
Always confess your sins
Do not practise lawlessness
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So yes, i do agree with the Sovereignty of God & all those verses you quoted.

My bone of contention with Calvinists is the OSAS doctrine. I've been fighting tooth and nail against the heresy of OSAS.

For you to follow Calvinism, i guess you'll first have to know what kind of man Calvin really was. And to a certain extent, Martin Luther. Maybe Augustine too. I've read up on their history. Enough to know what Calvinism stands for.

I think it is a matter of perspectives here. The OSAS doctrine that you are fighting against is what we call easy believism or Lordship controversy, which we are also against.

It doesnt matter what calvin or luther did, but what matters is that they have laid the foundation of how to interpret the scriptures.
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post Jul 27 2018, 05:48 AM

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The correct order of salvation is:

Regeneration > faith > good works

Without faith its works salvation, without regeneration theres no faith, without good works theres no genuine faith.

They are all linked, but the order cant be swapped.

We were all spiritually dead before the Spirit regenerated us (eph 1), so regeneration must come first.
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post Aug 6 2018, 06:16 AM

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Let me make life easier for all.

The doctrine of Trinity cannot be fully understood by men!

No matter how you try to understand it by human logic, you cannot reconcile that fact that the bible teaches 3 distinct person of God, but God is one.

The 2000 years of church history has already proven that. The bible makes no attempt to explain how is this possible.

The reformers came up with a formula, that is God is One in essence, but Three in Persons.

There is NO OTHER WAY to understand this. Just take it as the bible teaches and dont try any creative ways to explain it.
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post Aug 6 2018, 09:42 AM

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Safest way is to stick to the formula if you want to be loyal to the bible.

Or else you will always end up heretic or worse, crazy.


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post Aug 6 2018, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 6 2018, 09:52 AM)
Then can you help me with what is wrong with the verse below? Using you trinitarian view.

In 2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge God Almighty Father as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
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Thats not fair, you cant change the scriptures. You got me scratching my head for awhile wondering which translation is that.

Let me give you one
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:1‭-‬2 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.1.1-2.NASB


How can the Word be God and be WITH God?
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post Aug 10 2018, 07:32 AM

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@sylar, Mr Wong, Haledoch,

In order for a doctrine to be true or false, it has to stand the test of every verse of scripture.

If I want to denounce the doctrine of the Trinity, can you help me with these verses:

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I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
John 14:16 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.14.16.NASB


Is Jesus deceiving the disciples when He said he is going to the Father but He will send another Helper, when in fact He is going to Himself and he is going to send himself?

How do you guys understand this?

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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:1‭-‬2 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.1.1-2.NASB


John repeats that The Word was with God Twice here. What is John emphasizing?

The original greek word here is Pros thon the on, which carries the meaning face to face. Why would John say that? Was John trying to deceive the readers?
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post Aug 10 2018, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 10 2018, 09:12 AM)
The Holy Spirit is also known as the Spirit of Christ. In Acts 16:6-7,

"Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. 7 When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to."

For me, Spirit of Christ cannot be another different person than Jesus Himself. Only this time the role is different. No longer His mission was to atone for the Sins, but to become the Mighty Teacher to all of us. So God sends His OWN Spirit to everyone that believes in Him alone. This makes God even more glorified as He does all the works for us - beginning from His sacrifice, to teaching us through the Spirit and to finally bring us to salvation (justification, regeneration, sanctification, redemption), and none of those coming from our own efforts.
So you dont have any problems when Jesus speaks to himself, prays to himself, loves himself, obeys himself, requests that the cup be passed from himself, sends himself, etc.?

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John 1:1-2 doesn't provide a strong enough proof for 2 different persons in God. If I say in the beginning I have wisdom, and the wisdom is with me, and the wisdom is me - that doesn't make the wisdom in me a different person.
I dont see any correlation here.

You can have wisdom, but you cannot be wisdom, and wisdom cannot be physically with you.

Wisdom is not a person.

But John says Jesus was with God in the beginning.

You can put any meaning into the verse if you like, but if you say theres another meaning behind the normal meaning of the text, you have violated the most imprtant principle of interpretation. You are basically making it say whatever you want the text to say.

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One big problem in the trinity doctrine is that it believes Jesus ALREADY existed before the creation. But numerous times in the OT, God said He is alone as in Isaiah 44:6
"...I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."

And then God predicted what will happen to Him in Zechariah 12:10
"...and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced.."

My belief is that God did not have a Son YET before Jesus was born. He is an eternally immortal being that cannot be sacrificed, so He needed to have a Son to do it. And when everything has been completed (the atonement of Sins) His Son, Jesus Christ returned to Heaven to INHERIT HIM.

Jesus during His ministry as a man could not be called God yet, so His title at that time was Son of God, a title below God. Only after He died and ressurected, Thomas then confirmed His elevated status as God. (But this is my opinion only, and what I learned myself)
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Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
John 8:58 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.8.58.NASB

Jesus makes a deity claim here. If you know John's gospel well, you will know that Jesus is claiming that he is the I AM (YHWH).

I dont understand your belief here. So you're saying that Jesus wasnt God before his ressurection?
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 10 2018, 10:20 AM)
I have no problem with that because Jesus was the Son of God at that time. He had not completed His mission yet to atone the sins of mankind. If you cannot see beyond this then I am afraid God purposely made you blind on this, I think. Sorry. Well, that is how reformist believe anyway - the unconditional election. Those predistined to damnation cannot and will not understand the truth...
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Oh so i am predestined for dammation.

Thats very nice of you.
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post Aug 10 2018, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 10 2018, 10:24 AM)
Hence why I say, don't ever use scripture in abuse to attack others.

That would include those who call others as fake teachers.

You know why? None of us qualify to throw anything.
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We are all called to teach, exhort each other in the understanding of scriptures.

If a self professed christian stands up and say Jesus is not the Christ, i would fight tooth and nail with him.

what's disappointing is when a fellow believer of the scriptures condemns another because he disagrees with him.
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post Aug 13 2018, 07:51 AM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Aug 11 2018, 09:10 AM)
Yes and no. This is not easy to convey for you must have a background of the immanent Trinity and economical Trinity. To say that submission were something that had no basis in the being of God will result in God acting in an arbitrary manner. This is modalism too.

The Son said that He is one with Father (equal with God) yet economically, He says the Father is greater than he. The Son's position was a voluntary choice of our Lord. Philippians 2 is very difficult to explain. But it is also a most divine passage. We are standing on holy ground. It seems as if there was a conference in the Godhead in the beginning in which a plan was made to create the universe. In this plan the divine persons of the Godhead agreed with each other and came to the understanding that the Father would be the representation of authority. But if there was only authority without submission, authority could not be established, because authority is not something isolated. Hence, there must be submission in the universe.

In the Godhead there is equality, yet it is happily arranged that the Father should be the Head and that the Son should submit. The Father became the representation of authority, and the Son became the representation of submission. There is an order where Father is first and the Son second. There is submission in the Godhead (in a sense created by the Son) before the universe ... this is only possible if God is Triune biggrin.gif

We are human. Submission for us is simple. We can submit as long as we humble ourselves. But the Lord’s submission is not a simple matter. The Lord’s submission is more difficult than His creation of the heavens and the earth. In order to submit He had to empty Himself of all the glory, power, position, and image in His deity. He also had to take on the form of a slave. Only then could He receive the qualification of submission. Hence, submission is something created by the Son of God.

Now, this obedience MUST NOT be understood on the basis of our human obedience RATHER, our human submission should be understood on the BASIS of the submission of the Son eternally. It is not our human "command structures" or "hierarchy" or "boss-employee relationship". Rather the Son's relation to the Father is the model of our relation to the Father.

This is NOT subordinationism! The language is misleading really because the belief is the Son is somehow less than the Father because He is subordinate to the Father. In its most extreme form is Arianism.

So, the Son's obedience is not inferiority. Technically, in terms of being, He is equal to the Father. In terms of "relation", he is from the Father. Well, in terms of order (not rank) I have mentioned above.

(I stop here ... there is another part on the risky matter of the the possibility that the Son could not return as a man ..) ...
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Thank you for explaining the 'Covenant of Redemption' :smile.gif:

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Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,
Titus 1:1‭-‬2 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/tit.1.1-2.NKJV

Eternal life was promised before time began. Who did God made the promise to before time began? Something for you guys to ponder..

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Aug 18 2018, 07:09 PM)
Not sure if this is a real question or a question to provoke our thoughts but..
If you actually read Genesis yourself and not listen to creation stories from others or Sunday school teachers blindly, you will know the answer.

In Genesis, God created the Earth and Adam and Eve (literal or not is up to your interpretation). There were 2 special trees: the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God forbid them from eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil but did not say anything about the tree of life (so technically they are allowed to eat it and live forever).

What Sunday school and Christians miss out is the tree of life and only thought there is only one tree. It was only after they are the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil did God forbid them from eating from the tree of life by placing a cherubim with a flaming sword to guard it and cast them out from the Garden of Eden.

If you are Catholic, the Eucharist (flesh and blood if Jesus) is the fruits of the tree of life. Think about it. Jesus died on a wooden cross (cross made out of wood) therefore it is like a tree and when Catholics eat the 'flesh' it is the fruits of the tree of life. In John 6, Jesus claims his flesh is the bread of life and Jews joked at him by saying how can this man give us his flesh to eat.
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What I meant was, 'before time began', who did God promised to give eternal life to men? Nobody was created yet.

Interesting way of interpreting the tree of life. After genesis, the next time we see the tree of life is in Revelations 22 though, where we see the Lamb and the tree of life in the same scene. Don't know on what reasons you want to equate them without any scriptural backings.

Does that mean when you eat the eucharist you will not die?

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post Aug 20 2018, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Aug 20 2018, 09:30 AM)
John 15:5 - The Lord is the Vine.

John 11:25 - The Lord is the Life.

The tree of life is the embodiment of God as life, the embodiment of the divine life.  thumbup.gif
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Botanically speaking, a vine is different from a tree tongue.gif

Unitarians always think 1 + 1 + 1 = 3

Why cant it be 1 x 1 x 1 = 1?

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