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unknown warrior
post Aug 29 2018, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(isetancrazy @ Aug 28 2018, 10:29 PM)
Pray for me.

I so stress at work. Got boss everyday want to issue disciplinary action at me. I not saying I am top performer but I am just average joe work hard for co.

But now boss trying to get people to bypass me.

Sigh so tired man.

Ridiculous lah, my performance is not exactly that bad, also kena.

I really feel like very yin wong.
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Bro, I always encourage that you will pray because nobody prays better than you. Sure we will agree with you in prayer but great changes happens when you yourself pray and believe.

Take God's word as power over your situation.

Romans 8:28 New International Version (NIV)
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

Don't worry on the part where it says "who have been called according to his purpose", it's not referring pastors or missionaries. That verse just means If you belong to Christ, God will work everything in your life. If you believe, God will change your situation even causing your enemies to be at peace with you.

Proverbs 16:7 (NIV) - When the LORD takes pleasure in anyone's way, he causes their enemies to make peace with them.

It's very beneficial, to leave behind the system of this world and just get hook to God. Don't love this world brother.

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thomasthai
post Aug 29 2018, 08:31 AM

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@Haledoch

You affirm that there's God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit too.

That's no different than the trinitarian confession.

The point of contention is this, the new testament did not say God the Father is God the Son or God the Spirit.

Scripture makes distinction, that is why we make a distinction.

Calvin wrote thay the trinity was defined in the early churches to counter heretical teachings, not only modalism, but teachings that denied the deity of Christ(arianism), docetism (Christ was a phantom ghost), and plenty more.

They needed a precise confession that was true to the teaching of the bible, thus the doctrine of trinity.

I find that it is still the most precise confession, any other formula will be contradictory, incoherent, or illogical.

I dont see a point in fighting if you cant see this. I wish you well.
unknown warrior
post Aug 29 2018, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 29 2018, 08:31 AM)
@Haledoch

You affirm that there's God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit too.

That's no different than the trinitarian confession.

The point of contention is this, the new testament did not say God the Father is God the Son or God the Spirit.

Scripture makes distinction, that is why we make a distinction.

Calvin wrote thay the trinity was defined in the early churches to counter heretical teachings, not only modalism, but teachings that denied the deity of Christ(arianism), docetism (Christ was a phantom ghost), and plenty more.

They needed a precise confession that was true to the teaching of the bible, thus the doctrine of trinity.

I find that it is still the most precise confession, any other formula will be contradictory, incoherent, or illogical.

I dont see a point in fighting if you cant see this. I wish you well.
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I find it weird...If haledoch acknowledge Jesus, Father God and Holy spirit...then that's the Trinity...He just doesn't understand that God has this ability to be Triune and yet Distinct at the same time.

only God has that kind of ability. I think I've said this before, when we try to force fit the trinity to human understanding, there will be rejecting because it doesn't make logical sense.
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post Aug 29 2018, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 29 2018, 08:35 AM)
I find it weird...If haledoch acknowledge Jesus, Father God and Holy spirit...then that's the Trinity...He just doesn't understand that God has this ability to be Triune and yet Distinct at the same time.

only God has that kind of ability. I think I've said this before, when we try to force fit the trinity to human understanding, there will be rejecting because it doesn't make logical sense.
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The confession that God is 1 in essence, 3 in persons might not make the fullest sense now, but it is not contradictory.

For example, if we say is God is one in A, but 3 in B, that is not contradictory and being faithful to the text of scriptures.

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, it is not a contradiction for God to be both three and one because he is not three and one in the same way. He is three in a different way than he is one. Thus, we are not speaking with a forked tongue — we are not saying that God is one and then denying that he is one by saying that he is three. This is very important: God is one and three at the same time, but not in the same way.
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-i...-of-the-trinity


But how it works behind the curtains, we can only know when we are all glorified. Trying to understand this now is futile.
unknown warrior
post Aug 29 2018, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 29 2018, 08:53 AM)
The confession that God is 1 in essence, 3 in persons might not make the fullest sense now, but it is not contradictory.

For example, if we say is God is one in A, but 3 in B, that is not contradictory and being faithful to the text of scriptures.
But how it works behind the curtains, we can only know when we are all glorified. Trying to understand this now is futile.
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IMO, in order for God to be God, there must be an aspect that we don't understand everything of God, else it contradicts the definition of God.

This is the same problem when critics of Christianity, especially..... atheists try to put God in a box we created. Under a scientific microscope they can understand.

God has to be above and beyond logic, the confine of time space and matter.

For me, even if the understanding of trinity seems contradictory to the human understanding, it is alright, nothing wrong because after all, it is God.

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yaokb
post Aug 29 2018, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 29 2018, 08:53 AM)
The confession that God is 1 in essence, 3 in persons might not make the fullest sense now, but it is not contradictory.

For example, if we say is God is one in A, but 3 in B, that is not contradictory and being faithful to the text of scriptures.
But how it works behind the curtains, we can only know when we are all glorified. Trying to understand this now is futile.
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I fully agree with Thomas on this.

Our finite minds cannot comprehend the true nature of the infinite God.

We can't even fully explain what we can physically see and handle, how much more what we can't see or handle.

Take light for example.

What is it really?

Energy? Wave? Particle?
How can it be all three?

Do we see light or do we see the reflection of light?

How can light travel seemingly forever?


There are so many answers out in the net but none are 100% conclusive.

So I take the position of Hebrews 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

NKJV

This is why I marvel at atheists who insist that because there is inconclusive evidence that God exists and therefore they don't believe.

The sad part is that they believe in other stuff science tell them even when there is inconclusive evidence of it being true, evolution being foremost.

Evolution cannot even provide an answer to the age old question of which came first, the chicken or the egg?
But I digress.


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post Aug 29 2018, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(isetancrazy @ Aug 28 2018, 10:29 PM)
Pray for me.

I so stress at work. Got boss everyday want to issue disciplinary action at me. I not saying I am top performer but I am just average joe work hard for co.

But now boss trying to get people to bypass me.

Sigh so tired man.

Ridiculous lah, my performance is not exactly that bad, also kena.

I really feel like very yin wong.
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What kind of job do you do?
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post Aug 29 2018, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Aug 29 2018, 09:15 AM)
I fully agree with Thomas on this.

Our finite minds cannot comprehend the true nature of the infinite God.

We can't even fully explain what we can physically see and handle, how much more what we can't see or handle.

Take light for example.

What is it really?

Energy? Wave? Particle?
How can it be all three?

Do we see light or do we see the reflection of light?

How can light travel seemingly forever?
There are so many answers out in the net but none are 100% conclusive.

So I take the position of Hebrews 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

NKJV

This is why I marvel at atheists who insist that because there is inconclusive evidence that God exists and therefore they don't believe.

The sad part is that they believe in other stuff science tell them even when there is inconclusive evidence of it being true, evolution being foremost.

Evolution cannot even provide an answer to the age old question of which came first, the chicken or the egg?
But I digress.
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Reminds me when I studied quantum mechanics during my college years. That was when I was fully convinced how awesome it mirrors the nature of God .... the duality of particle - wave characteristics ... of light in the quantum level. Well .. at least the Copenhagen interpretation.

I was so crazy to think when the protons and neutrons each contain three quarks ... I was like whoah Triune God - nature points at it biggrin.gif


Indeed, I agree ... it is a paradox ... and/not a contradiction. Most people don't understand this difference

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post Aug 29 2018, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 29 2018, 10:00 AM)
Then how do you explain this?

Matthew 27:46 (NIV) - About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").
Jesus reject Himself?
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Read and answer my points first before you question me. That's being polite means.
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post Aug 29 2018, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 29 2018, 10:03 AM)
Read and answer my points first before you question me. That's being polite means.
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I did.....Yet still does not address Matthew 27:46.

IMO point No.4 is the problem. You did not read what I wrote either in my response to Thomas.

And point No.8 is flawed, because If Jesus was only human and not God, it contradicts all the powers He displayed. If you say that is the work of the Holy Spirit, then it cannot discount that He was also God since the HS is Jesus. (Arguing from your POV).

Contradicts everything you stand for in your argument against the Trinity. (The part of distinction and the part where it is argued Jesus was only human and not God)

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QUOTE(isetancrazy @ Aug 29 2018, 10:14 AM)
I feel I am so innocently wronged.

My boss has been accusing me of small crimes and mistakes....slander me call me irresponsible and not doing my work in front of everyone.

I ask God, why why you let your people get wrongfully accused. People in my office say look this is a Christian in the office but the enemy trampled him....where is his God to save him?

What kind of evangelism am I doing in the workplace??? People began to believe those false accusations those false disciplinary actions. I am.no longer the salt and light ....I am just a.piece of crap looked down.

It's so double standard..my staff make error and I have to pay the price...my staff is let off...

Now I am in dilemma.. .stay and fight for righteousness...fight this to court but be unemployed and not able to feed my family. Or resign before it get any worse and with a clean r e cord but struggle to explain to.New employer about why I resign without a job.
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God can turn around what the enemy use against you.

You just continue in your walk with God.

Same thing happened to Joseph...when his brothers sold him as slave.


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post Aug 29 2018, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(isetancrazy @ Aug 29 2018, 10:14 AM)
I feel I am so innocently wronged.

My boss has been accusing me of small crimes and mistakes....slander me call me irresponsible and not doing my work in front of everyone.

I ask God, why why you let your people get wrongfully accused. People in my office say look this is a Christian in the office but the enemy trampled him....where is his God to save him?

What kind of evangelism am I doing in the workplace??? People began to believe those false accusations those false disciplinary actions. I am.no longer the salt and light ....I am just a.piece of crap looked down.

It's so double standard..my staff make error and I have to pay the price...my staff is let off...

Now I am in dilemma.. .stay and fight for righteousness...fight this to court but be unemployed and not able to feed my family. Or resign before it get any worse and with a clean r e cord but struggle to explain to.New employer about why I resign without a job.
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We stand together with you in prayer bro.

Perhaps you may consider these few options

Pray and ask God for wisdom.

Take a step back and look at your work, your performance, your boss from an independent perspective.

Ask questions.

Is my boss really angry at me or my performance.

If at me, did I give him cause to do so?

If at my performance, what can I improve on?

If my boss is angry at me personally, and I gave him cause yo do so, how do I apologise? Would a face to face meeting with the boss do? Would a written apology be better?

If my boss is angry at both me and my performance, can I talk to him and ask his advice on how I can improve ?

Did my mistakes cause difficulties to my boss?

If yes, apologise.


I recall when I was cold storaged for mistakes I made at work.

I stayed on until I had better opportunity before leaving because of family needs. I suffered for two years but I endured it because I recognized I was at fault.



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QUOTE(isetancrazy @ Aug 29 2018, 11:29 AM)
I understand but this time is very harrowing

I.under so.much stress

I know I.should trust Him...I.feel so tested....I.know I am.not suppose to worry...but I.have sleepless.nights thinking what I'd I have to face this persecution....my employment record.will.be blotched.by this kangaroo trial...and no co want to.hire me for some time.

My finances will be strained....My loan....My marriage....My career....

I am in dilemma if I should fight for righteousness...but risk being out of work...

If I resigned without a job....employers will ask me n raise suspicion
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Sure, these are legitimate needs and worries (marriage, family, life, etc) I perfectly understand that because I've family like you but

I cannot force you to let go of your worries but God's kingdom..his principles works on letting go in faith and not worrying.

you do that, God will take care of your needs. Including preserving your career.




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QUOTE(isetancrazy @ Aug 29 2018, 11:34 AM)
I felt the mistakes is not.in par with the punishment.

It's ludicrous to.issue warning letter because I accidentally approve something in the system of only rm 150

I.did try to talk but was met wit even more anger

It's worse than cold storage...My boss wants to eject me out fr the co. I really feel.the boss is trying to build.up.a.case against me.
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Your boss is owner of company or employee also?

Normally a warning letter is issued after several verbal warnings.

Since I don't know what is the real situation, I will not comment further on that.

If I were you, I will put aside the fear of being kicked out and focus on how to improve my work rate and quality.

Make it difficult for your boss to find fault with you by being hardworking and efficient.

Normally anger will subside over time, especially if it can be seen that effort is being made to improve.
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QUOTE(isetancrazy @ Aug 29 2018, 05:15 PM)
I am putting in a lot of effort

but boss is really target me already
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Then keep you the effort and let God deal with your boss.


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QUOTE(isetancrazy @ Aug 29 2018, 05:43 PM)
I feel like I am working in a lie place.

because half my work now is replying to the boss show cause letter.
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Show cause letter?

Its more serious than warning letter.

Ask God for wisdom how to structure your reply.
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post Aug 29 2018, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 29 2018, 10:00 AM)
Then how do you explain this?

Matthew 27:46 (NIV) - About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").
Jesus reject Himself?
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Hi everyone,

Has anyone answered this question yet ?
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I have old Christian books (various titles - leadership, prayer, worship, etc.) and audio CD/VCD/DVD/ (majority on praise and worship) and copies of musical score sheets (mostly Hillsongs older albums) that I want to give away for free. All these are generally in good condition and anybody who wants to have a look can PM me.

Thanks!
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Hi

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Aug 29 2018, 08:42 PM)
Hi everyone,

Has anyone answered this question yet ?
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"He was just mumbling to Himself" laugh.gif

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