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Haledoch
post Aug 28 2018, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 28 2018, 09:04 AM)
This may be interpreted as one in unity.
Assumed as unity, and falsely interpreted as unity. God is only one. Not 3 gods.

QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 28 2018, 09:04 AM)
Old testament explicitly tells us there are two Lords here.
Two Lords? oh my. I am speechless.

Here is the Shema for you to meditate on,

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!


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post Aug 28 2018, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 09:53 AM)
Assumed as unity, and falsely interpreted as unity. God is only one. Not 3 gods.
Two Lords? oh my. I am speechless.

Here is the Shema for you to meditate on,

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!

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The way you put your own theology into scriptures, i suggest you take a course in exegesis or hermeneutics

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Haledoch
post Aug 28 2018, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 28 2018, 09:53 AM)
Hey Bro..if Jesus submitted himself to the will of His father, that means there is distinction. hence Trinity is a possibility only God can exhibit.
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Of course. Did Jesus pray again to God after His resurrection? He was fully human while still alive.
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post Aug 28 2018, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 28 2018, 09:56 AM)
The way you put your own theology into scriptures, i suggest you take a course in exegesis or hermeneutics
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God is my teacher. I reject anyone to Lord over me except God.
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post Aug 28 2018, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 09:57 AM)
God is my teacher. I reject anyone to Lord over me except God.
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Every heretic or cult in history thought that they had a new revelation from God too.
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post Aug 28 2018, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 28 2018, 10:02 AM)
Every heretic or cult in history thought that they had a new revelation from God too.
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Fine by me if you or anyone want to call me heretic. I have no desire for my own glory.

Catholic and Calvinist are also false religions. Yet God let them flourish for now, because Satan is still the ruler of this world now.

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 09:57 AM)
Of course. Did Jesus pray again to God after His resurrection? He was fully human while still alive.
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Yes? Interceding for us in Heaven? that is praying to the Father.
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post Aug 28 2018, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 10:07 AM)
Fine by me if you or anyone want to call me heretic. I have no desire for my own glory.

Catholic or Calvinist are also false religions. Yet God let them flourish for now, because Satan is still the ruler of this world now.
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Which church do you go to?
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post Aug 28 2018, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 10:07 AM)
Fine by me if you or anyone want to call me heretic. I have no desire for my own glory.

Catholic and Calvinist are also false religions. Yet God let them flourish for now, because Satan is still the ruler of this world now.
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Im not calling you a heretic buddy, but i disagree on people forming their own theology because they 'feel' that this is the meaning of a text.

In hermeneutics, the meaning of a text comes from the normal literal sense of the reading.

Or if the text is not clear, another portion of the text can be used to make it clearer, as scripture is the only interpreter of scripture.


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post Aug 28 2018, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 28 2018, 10:07 AM)
Yes? Interceding for us in Heaven? that is praying to the Father.
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To intercede is definitely not God praying to God.

Jesus is the bridge between us and God. He made it possible since man declared war on God in the Garden of Eden. Naturally, men are the enemy of God. Naturally, we are fated to go to hell with 100% surety, even if we consider ourselves good. So Jesus is the peacemaker. Without Jesus, it is impossible for any man to be saved.
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post Aug 28 2018, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 28 2018, 10:20 AM)
Im not calling you a heretic buddy, but i disagree on people forming their own theology because they 'feel' that this is the meaning of a text.

In hermeneutics, the meaning of a text comes from the normal literal sense of the reading.

Or if the text is not clear, another portion of the text can be used to make it clearer, as scripture is the only interpreter of scripture.
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Come at me with strong arguments and answers and I am always ready to accept the truth. I am not prideful of my own opinions. So far you have failed to do so, I am sorry. The truth is still with me because no one can convince me otherwise.
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 10:24 AM)
To intercede is definitely not God praying to God.

Jesus is the bridge between us and God. He made it possible since man declared war on God in the Garden of Eden. Naturally, men are the enemy of God. Naturally, we are fated to go to hell with 100% surety, even if we consider ourselves good. So Jesus is the peacemaker. Without Jesus, it is impossible for any man to be saved.
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laugh.gif , okay if interceding is not one praying to another then....whatever suits you.
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Wow


That escalate quickly



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post Aug 28 2018, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 10:07 AM)
.... Catholic and Calvinist are also false religions. Yet God let them flourish for now, because Satan is still the ruler of this world now.
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Whether Catholics or Calvinist are false religion, it's not of my interest, for any religion that does not teach its followers to be born of the Spirit is a false religion.

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post Aug 28 2018, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Aug 28 2018, 12:57 PM)
Whether Catholics or Calvinist are false religion, it's not of my interest, for any religion that does not teach its followers to be born of the Spirit is a false religion.
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True. Even a catholic person would be able to receive salvation. I am 100% sure of this. I have seen the evidence so to speak.
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 09:57 AM)
Of course. Did Jesus pray again to God after His resurrection? He was fully human while still alive.
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So according to you, Jesus is not God before His Resurrection, only human? Amazing...
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Aug 28 2018, 02:33 PM)
So according to you, Jesus is not God before His Resurrection, only human? Amazing...
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If says Jesus is both 100% man and 100% God, he will say not logic


According to him, any illogic thing is not biblical


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post Aug 28 2018, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Aug 28 2018, 02:33 PM)
So according to you, Jesus is not God before His Resurrection, only human? Amazing...
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He was God, but while still being a human, it's inappropriate to call himself God yet. Jesus was under the Law too, remember?

Philippians 2:6-7
who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.


You sounded like a Pharisee to me. Looking for any fault in my wordings and then pounce on it. Hahaha...
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 04:05 PM)
He was God, but while still being a human, it's inappropriate to call himself God yet. Jesus was under the Law too, remember?

Philippians 2:6-7
who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.


You sounded like a Pharisee to me. Looking for any fault in my wordings and then pounce on it. Hahaha...
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What? Still being a human but is God, but not appropriate to call himself God? So is Jesus God or not even before his resurrection? Getting personal huh once pointed out? Amazing...

If He is not God before His Resurrection why would He say "I and the Father are one"? You are trying to win over argument but confusing others.

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post Aug 29 2018, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Aug 28 2018, 06:39 PM)
What? Still being a human but is God, but not appropriate to call himself God? So is Jesus God or not even before his resurrection? Getting personal huh once pointed out? Amazing...

If He is not God before His Resurrection why would He say "I and the Father are one"? You are trying to win over argument but confusing others.
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The Apostolic Doctrine

The Bible
The Bible is the inspired Word of God, giving a true history of the creation of heaven, earth, and humanity and containing a correct prophecy of the ages to come regarding heaven, earth, and the destiny of humanity. Moreover, there is no salvation outside of what is taught in its pages.

God
There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4). He is the creator of heaven and earth, and of all living beings. He has revealed Himself to humanity as the Father (Creator), in the son (Savior), and as the Holy Ghost (indwelling Spirit).

Father

God is a Spirit (John 4:24). He is the Eternal One, the Creator of all things, and the Father of all humanity by creation.
He is the First and the Last, and beside Him, there is no God (Isaiah 44:6).
There was no God formed before Him; neither shall be there any after Him (Isaiah 43:10).

Son

Jesus is the Son of God according to the flesh (Romans 1:3) and the very God Himself according to the Spirit (Matthew 1:23). Jesus is the Christ (Matthew 16:16); the creator of all things (Colossians 1:16-17); God with us (Matthew 1:23); God made flesh (John 1:1-14); God manifested in the flesh (I Timothy 3:16);He which was, which is, and which is to come, the Almighty (Revelation 1:8);the mighty God, everlasting Father, and Prince of peace (Isaiah 9:6).
Jesus Himself testified of His identity as God when He said, “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father” (John 14:7-11) and “I and my Father are one” (John 10:30).
It took shedding of blood for the remission of the sins of the world (Hebrews 9:22), but God the Father was a Spirit and had no blood to shed. Thus He prepared a body of flesh and blood (Hebrews 10:5)and came to earth as a man in order to save us, for in Isaiah 43:11 He said, “Beside me there is no Saviour.” When He came in flesh the angels sang, “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord” (Luke 2:11).

Holy Ghost
The Holy Ghost is not a third person in the Godhead, but rather the Spirit of God (the Creator), the Spirit of the resurrected Christ. The Holy Ghost comes to dwell in the hearts and lives of everyone who believes and obeys the gospel, as the comforter, Sustainer, and keeper (John 14:16-26; Romans 8:9-11).

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Wasn't my writing, but I find it similar to my core beliefs. My doctrine is what the early Christians believed in. There was no trinity back then. It's so much simpler and honest and truthful, and their beliefs were enshrined in the writings of the Apostles.

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