I just want to exhibit true faith. Isn't that how the Apostles sacrificed themselves? Amidst accusations and oppressions, they hold on to their faith and willing to die for Jesus Christ, the one true Living God.

Not by being deceptive and changing scripture to your own whims and fancies.

"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:16

If you think your beliefs have not been considered and debated before by the early Church, you are dead wrong.

Thats not fair, you cant change the scriptures. You got me scratching my head for awhile wondering which translation is that.

Let me give you one


How can the Word be God and be WITH God?

Actually the context of that verse has to do with verse 17...which talks about falling away from a secured position in the Lord...If I can say it, Salvation.

That's the consequence of misinterpreting Scripture to own's own destruction, simple as that.

But I think it's a different context to what you're implying on Haledoch.

Whatever floats your boat, UW.

when UW talk about context, you know it is time to leave the room

It's not whatever floats my boat.

2 Peter 3 talks about scoffers making fun of Christ second coming..questioning when is Christ ever coming..then it goes on to talk about lawlessness.

The part where it says on distorting the scripture is with regards to the day of the Lord. Verse 17 is the context. Most likely insinuating God is never coming so you can live how you want, sin how you want. That is most likely the distortion.

If I'm wrong, do show it to me.

Haledoch isn't propagating lawlessness. He is for obediance to God And He loves God, just that He disagree on trinity. Sure..I mean you and I disagree with him on that but I think we shouldn't use scripture generally against people.
Besides he already consider you as persecuting him as how the disciples were persecuted.


I rather that you discuss with me rationally but up to you, if prefer to take flight and run away since all you're ever interested in this thread is to argue to show yourself knowledegable rather than grow spiritually and be somebody kind if not gentle as a Christian brother should be.

* inb4 leave me alone...i don't have to be gentle (according to you) to a false teacher...lol ha ha ha.

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Prayer

Mark 11:24 (NIV) - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Prayer is not merited, not earned because you're obedient to God but works from the position of receiving by faith. There are believers who don't have it altogether in their life but God answers their prayers because of grace.

Prayer is an expression of grace, meaning I cannot but God you can.

God Bless

*Be persistent in prayer, don't give up believing. Don't confess, nothing ever happens because that puts you in the position of the tossing waves in James 1:6.





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He himself admitted to changing the scripture. Don't Protestants use Scripture as the standard to debate on issues?

So after admitting to changing scripture, he's playing the victim card now and claims I'm persecuting him? Gosh....

maybe he expected persecution because of his belief that trinity is wrong and maybe you didn't mean to but I think we shouldn't shun people away.

Jesus Christ is the only God, not the triune god.

In Acts 7
55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

So what did Stephen see? He did not see two persons, he saw one person. He saw Jesus Christ only. The term right hand is a symbolic of power. It is not literal. He did not see two bodies. In John 4:24 it is written that God is a Spirit. Spirit is invisible, we cannot see Spirit. Where is the right hand of a Spirit of God when God Spirit is everywhere?

So what Stephen meant is he saw Jesus at his position of power, wielding the power as God, sitting at the heavenly throne, alone. He is the only God he saw.

And when finally Stephen was stoned to death, he cried at his last breath and said, "Lord Jesus receive my spirit!" If Stephen saw two persons, why he ignored the other one?

Interestingly the Apostle John also received a similar vision in Revelation 1:13-16, where he saw only one person who he said was like a son of man, with white hair, blazing eyes, wearing robes, and glowing bronze feet. And the person who is the son of man said,

"Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."

from BBC on trinity


Introduction to the TrinityThe core belief

The doctrine of the Trinity is the Christian belief that:

There is One God, who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Trinitarian stained glass window ©

Other ways of referring to the Trinity are the Triune God and the Three-in-One.

The Trinity is a controversial doctrine; many Christians admit they don't understand it, while many more Christians don't understand it but think they do.

In fact, although they'd be horrified to hear it, many Christians sometimes behave as if they believe in three Gods and at other times as if they believe in one.

Trinity Sunday, which falls on the first Sunday after Pentecost, is one of the few feasts in the Christian calendar that celebrate a doctrine rather than an event.

Find the date for Trinity Sunday 2014 in the multifaith calendar

A fundamental doctrine

The doctrine of the Trinity is one of the most difficult ideas in Christianity, but it's fundamental to Christians because it:

states what Christians believe God is like and who he is

plays a central part in Christians' worship of an "unobjectifiable and incomprehensible God"

emphasises that God is very different from human beings

reflects the ways Christians believe God encounters them

is a central element of Christian identity

teaches Christians vital truths about relationship and community

reveals that God can be seen only as a spiritual experience whose mystery inspires awe and cannot be understood logically

Unpacking the doctrine

The idea that there is One God, who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit means:

There is exactly one God

The Father is God

The Son is God

The Holy Spirit is God

The Father is not the Son

The Son is not the Holy Spirit

The Father is not the Holy Spirit



An alternate way of explaining it is:

There is exactly one God
There are three really distinct Persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
Each of the Persons is God

Common mistakes

The Trinity is not

Three individuals who together make one God
Three Gods joined together
Three properties of God

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Bible and why Christians believe in the TrinityThe Bible and why Christians believe in the Trinity

Christianity adopted this complicated idea of God because it was the only way they could make sense of One God in the context of the events and teaching of the Bible.

The idea of the Trinity does not supersede monotheism; it interprets it, in the light of a specific set of revelatory events and experiences.

Keith Ward, Religion and Creation, 1996

Encounters with God

Humanity met God in three different forms:

God the Father: revealed by the Old Testament to be Creator, Lord, Father and Judge.
God the Son: who had lived on earth amongst human beings
God the Holy Spirit: who filled them with new life and powerWhat the Bible taught

The Bible taught that Christians were to worship Father and Son and Holy Spirit. It also taught that Christians should only worship God. Finally, it taught that there was only one God:

We must worship only God
We must worship God the Father
We must worship God the Son
We must worship God the Holy Spirit
There is only one God

This seemed to put Christians in an impossible position from which they were rescued by the doctrine of the Trinity, which solved the puzzle by stating that God must be simultaneously both Three and One.

Scripture and the Trinity

For obvious reasons the Trinity is not referred to in the Old Testament, although many writers think that the Old Testament does drop heavy hints about it - for example when it uses a plural Hebrew noun to refer to God.

The New Testament of the Bible never explicitly refers to the Trinity as such, but it does contain a number of references to the Economic Trinity:

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 28:19

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

2 Corinthians 13:14

One text that is often quoted to provide scriptural authority for the doctrine of the Trinity is now thought to have been added to the text much later, and with the specific purpose of justifying the doctrine.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one

The mystery of the Trinity: (1+1+1=1) = Nonsense!

This idea that three persons add up to one individual seems like nonsense. And logically, it is.

So Christians don't try to understand the doctrine of the Trinity logically or as a problem of arithmetic.

Unfortunately most other attempts to explain the Trinity don't really capture the concept either, or are very difficult to understand.

God is not like us

One way out of the problem is to say that God is not like human beings and human beings get in a mess when they try to describe God using the same sort of language and understanding that they use to describe other human beings.

But human beings don't have any other language available, so they have to do the best that they can with it. That's fine, as long as they remember that the whole truth of the nature of God is simply beyond them.

So the doctrine of the Trinity only attempts to provide a rudimentary sketch of the mystery of God's nature, rather than a full description of what God is like. God is a mystery, before which humanity should stand in awe.

Why the Trinity is important

Before trying to understand the doctrine of the Trinity, it's vital to realise why it's important.

Its purpose is not to provide factual knowledge of God's hidden nature of the sort that describes a dog as "having 4 legs, fur, barks, bites, domesticated by humankind etc".

The doctrine of the Trinity has other functions:

it brings humanity face to face with the mystery of Godit helps humanity recognise the God they meet in the Bible, in history and in their own livesit helps humanity understand God's complexity, otherness and mysteryit helps humanity worship Godit steers humanity away from wrong ideas of God, such as:a patriarchal/hierarchical Goda God who can be logically understoodit is the foundation of much Christian worship and liturgyit helps humanity understand its own nature as made in the image of Godit provides a model for human relationships, both as individuals and in community

So, for example, one might be inspired by the doctrine of the Trinity to come up with an understanding of human relationships that was something like this...

Human beings are made in the image of GodGod is a community of persons in a mutual loving relationshipTherefore the essence of humanity is to be found in human relationships with others, with God, and with God's creationThese relationships are filled with transforming powerFor human beings to live truly in the image of God, these relationships must be mutual, generous and justThese relationships must acknowledge and value difference as well as samenessThese relationships must accept as well as give

That's one way in which contemplating the Trinity might provide useful information for a Christian as to how they should try to live their life.

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The same Son of Man in Revelation 3 also says:

21 He who overcomes, to him I will give to sit with Me on My throne, as I [Son of Man] also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne.

Did you know that John Calvin had Michael Servetus burned at the stake for defying his beloved trinity doctrine? Is that the love of God, to burn men alive who don’t agree with you? Do not fruits tell?

You Catholics slander & lie, just like your Calvinistic brothers do, about Michael Servetus who was a true servant of God. Have you actually read the books you quoted?

The highlighted in red, is a trumped up charge used to slander & to bring down an innocent man!



The Lord Jesus Christ laid out a simple guideline for identifying the true and false among us. He said:

“You can tell what they are by what they do. No one picks grapes or figs from thorn bushes. A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. Every tree that produces bad fruit will be chopped down and burned. You can tell who the false prophets are by their deeds” Matthew 7:16-20.

Aside from any discussion of doctrines, by this criterion alone John Calvin was a false prophet of the first order. How do we know?

Because he condoned and excused, when not initiating it himself, the persecution and murder of those who opposed his doctrines and position. These are not the good fruits of a man of God.

One such as Calvin who kills others because they differ with his beliefs is a murderer.

That is precisely what Saul of Tarsus was before he was turned by God:

“Then Saul, still breathing murderous threats against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and requested from him letters of authority to the synagogues of Damascus, that if he should find any who were of the Way, both men or women, he might bring them, having been bound, to Jerusalem” - Acts 9:1-2.

And Jesus said to him: “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” - Acts 9:4

After the Lord turned him, did Saul then persecute and slay real heretics, unlike the true brethren of Christ and children of God whom he had previously persecuted in his ignorance and religious zeal? Never! He was now found to be the persecuted one, by those that were his former comrades in unbelief; they stoned him, whipped him, beat him with rods, and then killed him. Why did they do this? Because of the gospel Paul preached. They could not bear to hear the Truth. They said: “Get rid of this man! He doesn’t deserve to live” - Acts 22:22 .

John Calvin said the same thing of Michael Servetus, a man that dared to disagree with his cherished doctrinal formulations. Seven years before Calvin actually saw to it that Servetus was put to death, he said: “If he [Servetus] comes [to Geneva], I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight.”

Calvin made good on his threat. Why? Because he had no answers to Michael Servetus’ correction of his false doctrines, and he could not bear to be proven wrong and to lose face.

The temporal power he had taken to himself was predicated on being right. He was a very proud man; God resists the proud.

Did Paul call on men to repay the evildoers? No, he identified them and their evil for the sake of those who would listen, recognizing and proceeding according to the Lord’s injunction:

“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore, be wise as serpents and harmless as doves” - Matthew 10:16

Paul left it to God to judge those opposed to the gospel, and was willing to pay the price for his stance with his own blood, which he did. The saints shed their blood for, and not the blood of, sinners.




How Shall True Believers React to Unbelievers?

What else are we to learn from Paul and his conversion from a violent persecutor of Christ’s brethren to a man who took much abuse for the privilege of being identified with Jesus Christ?

Paul himself gives us the answer that he received of the Lord:

“However, because of this I was shown mercy, so that in me first Jesus Christ might show forth all longsuffering, as a pattern for those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life” - 1 Timothy 1:16 .

John Calvin does not fit this pattern – quite the opposite. He did not suffer those that disagreed with him even to live. He played the part of persecutor. He set an evil example, against the admonition of the apostle John:

“We are not to resemble Cain, who was a child of the Evil One and killed his own brother. And why did he kill him? Because his own actions were wicked and his brother’s actions righteous” - 1 John 3:12 WNT.

Can anyone truly defend Calvin? Amazingly enough, many try to do so in the Name of Christ. thomasthai among others.

They do not realize they have put their hand in the hand of a murderer, and now their hands are also stained with the blood of the saints, whom Calvin persecuted and yet persecutes by his spirit that lives in those who follow him.

For they were not heretics that Calvin persecuted, but the very brethren of Christ. As Jesus said to His brothers:

“Certainly, the time is coming when people who murder you will think that they are serving God” - John 16:2.

The Scriptures are not ambiguous about Calvin’s works and their origin:

“Everyone hating his brother is a murderer. And you know that no murderer has everlasting life abiding in him” - 1 John 3:15 .

Calvin was such a man.








i'm calling BS on that one!

What horrid confusion, vainglory, and strife have been produced by philosophers posing as Christians, putting God under a microscope in their intellectual laboratories and dissecting Him into three beings;

even messing with the Scriptures to support their damnable heresies! What arrogance! What presumption!

These are doctrines of devils designed to confound and derail seekers of truth. They are there to test the pilgrims traveling to the celestial city of God. Paul told the Corinthians:

“For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved [of God] may be made manifest among you” (1 Corinthians 11:19 KJV).

The Scriptures also say:

“Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God is ONE LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV).

“There is ONE LORD, one faith, one baptism” (Ephesians 4:5).

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory” (1 Timothy 3:16 KJV).

“Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?” (John 14:9 MKJV)

“Take heed therefore to yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost has made you overseers, to feed the Church of God, which He has purchased with His own blood” (Acts 20:28).

Who purchased the Church of God – Jesus, the Holy Ghost, or God?

Some apologist for the trinity doctrine came up with the fancy explanation that we pray to the Father, through the Son, by the Holy Spirit. But who did Stephen pray to when he was stoned?

“And they stoned Stephen, who was calling on God and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit” (Acts 7:59 MKJV).

Perhaps the trauma of the experience hindered him from understanding the difficult, yes, impossible, concept of the trinity and remembering how he ought to relate to it? (Who can conceive such a thing?)

The arguments of Trinitarians are the products of brain-soiling and quite easily countered with truth from Scripture.

Jesus said, “My sheep hear My voice.” I hear the voice of God. Do I hear introductions like, “This is the Father,” or, “This time it’s the Son,” or, “Yesterday you heard from the Son, but today I, the Holy Spirit, am speaking”? Or do I sometimes hear a chorus of three voices? No, I hear one voice, as did all the prophets of God. He is One, not three.

Jesus is God, and all the figurative language Jesus and others used concerning the Person of God is understood by those to whom it is given. Isaiah says there is only one Savior and none besides Him:

Isaiah 45:21-23 MKJV
(21) Declare and bring near; yea, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this of old? Who has told it from then? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none besides Me.
(22) Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
(23) I have sworn by Myself, the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Philippians 2:9-11 MKJV
(9) Therefore God has highly exalted Him, and has given Him a Name which is above every name,
(10) that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly ones, and of earthly ones, and of ones under the earth;
(11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Isaiah calls the Son “Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.” God presented Himself to the world in a body formed for the purpose, and we are to worship Him as He is. Anything else is folly.

I am one person. I am a father, a son, and a husband. That may make three positions or roles, but it doesn’t make me three people. So it is with God, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is Lord (Father) Jesus (Son) Christ (Holy Spirit, meaning “Anointed One”).

Man was created in God’s image. Is man three persons? If God is three, but man is one, the image God created is false. But God isn’t three, and His image is perfectly accurate. Yes, I’m spirit, soul, and body, but I’m one person, not three.







So does your Calvinists Bible read like the following :



The Gospel According to Trinitarians

“But what does it say? ‘The Word is near you, even in your mouth and in your heart’; that is, the Word of Faith which we proclaim; Because if you confess the Trinity, and believe in your heart that God is Triune, you shall be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation. For the Scripture says, ‘Everyone believing in the Trinity shall not be put to shame.’ For there is no difference both of Jew and of Greek, for the same Lords over all are rich to all who call on Them. For everyone, ‘whoever shall call on the Trinity will be saved’” (Romans 10:8-13 MKJV).

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in the Trinity should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16 MKJV).

“He who believes on the Trinity is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the Trinity” (John 3:18 MKJV).

“He who believes on the Trinity has everlasting life, and he who does not believe the Trinity shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him” (John 3:36 MKJV).

“Then Peter said to them, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the Trinity to remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit’” (Acts 2:38 MKJV).

“Philip said, ‘If you believe with all your heart, it is lawful.’ And he answered and said, ‘I believe in the Trinity.’ And he commanded the chariot to stand still. And they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch. And he baptized him” (Acts 8:37-38 MKJV).

“All the Prophets give witness to the Trinity, that through the name of the Trinity whoever believes in the Trinity shall receive remission of sins” (Acts 10:43 MKJV).

“And leading them outside, he said, ‘Sirs, what must I do to be saved?’ And they said, ‘Believe on the Trinity and you shall be saved, and your household’” (Acts 16:30-31 MKJV)

“And Paul said, ‘John truly baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on the Trinity coming after him, that is, into the Trinity.’ And hearing, they were baptized in the name of the Trinity” (Acts 19:4-5 MKJV).

“And this is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is Triune, and in Him is no singleness without Three” (1 John 1:5 MKJV).

“And by this we know that we have known Him, if we believe in the Trinity. He who says, ‘I have known Him,’ and does not believe the Trinity, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever believes the Trinity, truly in this one the love of God is perfected. By this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him ought to believe in the Trinity” (1 John 2:3-6 MKJV).

“Who is a liar but he who denies the Trinity? He who denies the Trinity is anti-Christ. Everyone who denies the Trinity has neither the Father nor the Son. The one confessing the Trinity has the Father and the Son” (1 John 2:22-23 MKJV). Haledoch

“We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the Trinity. He who does not love the Trinity abides in death” (1 John 3:14 MKJV).

“And this is His commandment, that we should believe on the Trinity, and love one another, as He gave us commandment. And he who believes in the Trinity dwells in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by believing in the Trinity” (1 John 3:23-24 MKJV).

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but try the spirits to see if they believe in the Trinity, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses the Trinity is of God; and every spirit that does not confess the Trinity is not of God. And this is the anti-Christ you heard is coming, and even now is already in the world” (1 John 4:1-3 MKJV).

“By this we know that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because we believe in the Trinity. And we have seen and testify that the Trinity was sent to be the Savior of the world. Whoever shall confess the Trinity, God dwells in him and he in God” (1 John 4:13-15 MKJV).

“Everyone who believes in the Trinity has been born of God. And everyone who loves Him Who begets also loves him who has been born of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, whenever we love the Trinity. For this is the love of God, that we believe in the Trinity, and this is not burdensome. For everything that has been born of God believes the Trinity. And this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes in the Trinity?” (1 John 5:1-5 MKJV)





By the way, the italicized words in this next verse are inserted by the translators, not to be found in the most original manuscripts:

“For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on the earth: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three are into the one” (1 John 5:7-8 MKJV).

“He who has the Trinity has life; he who does not have the Trinity does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe on the name of the Trinity, that you may know that you have everlasting life, and that you may believe on the name of the Trinity” (1 John 5:12-13 MKJV).

“For many deceivers have entered into the world, who do not confess the Trinity. This is the deceiver and the anti-Christ” (2 John 1:7 MKJV).

“Everyone transgressing and not believing in the Trinity does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of the Trinity, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring the doctrine of the Trinity, do not receive him into your house, nor speak a greeting to him” (2 John 1:9-10 MKJV).


whoa, dangerous mang!




"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." - Jude 4-6

tldr.

Mark 2

And again he entered into Capernaum, after [some] days, and it was heard that he is in the house,
2 and immediately many were gathered together, so that there was no more room, not even at the door, and he was speaking to them the word.
3 And they come unto him, bringing a paralytic, borne by four,
4 and not being able to come near to him because of the multitude, they uncovered the roof where he was, and, having broken [it] up, they let down the couch on which the paralytic was lying,
5 and Jesus having seen their faith, saith to the paralytic, `Child, thy sins have been forgiven thee.'
6 And there were certain of the scribes there sitting, and reasoning in their hearts,
7 `Why doth this one thus speak evil words? who is able to forgive sins except one -- God?'
8 And immediately Jesus, having known in his spirit that they thus reason in themselves, said to them, `Why these things reason ye in your hearts?
9 which is easier, to say to the paralytic, The sins have been forgiven to thee? or to say, Rise, and take up thy couch, and walk?
10 `And, that ye may know that the Son of Man hath authority on the earth to forgive sins -- (he saith to the paralytic) --

Michael Servetus is dead meat wherever he was in 15 century Europe. it is just a matter of whether catholic or protestant get him first. before he go to Geneva, he is already sentenced to death by inquisition. and due to his escape, they have to burn him on stake in effigy. in Geneva he is spotted by clavisnist and then he was arrested and trial by civil magistrate. he is not prosecuted by john Calvin but rather another guy who is known to john enemy. so council of Geneva decided to burn him on stake.


a man as Michael Servetus who ideas bordered on blasphemy is being regarded as martyr and founding father by unitarians


it is of course not right to burn someone alive. but I can imagine the hand of protestant is tight, because at time they are regarded as patron of heretic and being soft.

Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there." And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit.
Isaiah 48:16 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/isa.48.16.ESV