There is nothing new under the sun. Just like Jehovah Witnesses is the modern day resurfacing of the Arian heresy.

Water Baptism is done solely to say thank you to the Lord who forgives your sins. And also to mark the day for you to remember for the rest of your life on that day you were saved by God.

Nothing from your works or your rituals can cleanse you from your sins. Only God can do that.

So water baptism must be done AFTER, not BEFORE you are saved. This is where most churches made this mistake. Especially catholic, who practices baptism on babies, those without faith yet.

Look at what Peter said to the people Acts 2:28,
"...be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins."

The word "for" here is where many christians get confused. They think "for" means "in order to". The truth is the meaning of "for" here is "as a result of".

Let me make life easier for all.

The doctrine of Trinity cannot be fully understood by men!

No matter how you try to understand it by human logic, you cannot reconcile that fact that the bible teaches 3 distinct person of God, but God is one.

The 2000 years of church history has already proven that. The bible makes no attempt to explain how is this possible.

The reformers came up with a formula, that is God is One in essence, but Three in Persons.

There is NO OTHER WAY to understand this. Just take it as the bible teaches and dont try any creative ways to explain it.

Safest way is to stick to the formula if you want to be loyal to the bible.

Or else you will always end up heretic or worse, crazy.

Then can you help me with what is wrong with the verse below? Using you trinitarian view.

In 2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge God Almighty Father as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Morning guys,

I think it's far more important If God is moving in your life. Share your testimony. Bible says ...one of the ways the devil is defeated is by testimony. (Revelation 12:11)
That is one evidence, you're keeping in step with God's Spirit.

No point to argue how much you know about God, but there's a lack of divine intervention in your life and If all you do here is argue argue argue and you being mean to others, that is just empty religion.

*funny how I did ask one person here to share his testimony but.........oh well.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 6 2018, 10:00 AM

Bro..which translation you use?

https://biblehub.com/2_john/1-7.htm

This link shows...Jesus Christ, not God Almighty Father. Even Young's Literal Translation says Jesus Christ.

Morning,
Sorry, different topic, want your opinion on when is ok to leave a church and got to another church.
I am a committed member. A CG leader. A sinner and not perfect. Please don't judge me.

A new Pastor took over the church for 1 and half years. After another Pastor leave to respond God's calling to another area.
Lets' call the new Pastor Tony. Tony has never attended Bible College. He got his Degree in Theology thru online study. Share sermon only once or twice a week. the rest invite speaker to our church. Tony travel at least once a month to speak in another church in different places. His sermons keep on repeating his testimony from more than 10 years ago. If not very abstract that not sure how to take it into action. Like Jewish calendar year 5778 is a blessing year... Sometime I don't agree with his sermon and the way he interpreted Bible verses.
Tony didn't care too much about church administration. He leave it to his wife to manage. He said he want to focus on nurture the church. Now he is focus on building business men fellowship.
I really think Tony did not do his part to nurture the church. People are slowly leaving. I am also burnt out.
I am also struggling with the decision to stay or leave.

Should I find a new church?


Please delete this if it is not appropriate.

CG leader is something there.......

Just curious....but you can't grow through the other invited preachers? I mean their sermons...don't help?

So you confess God Almighty Father is not Jesus Christ. Which means God The Father did not become flesh, God the Holy Spirit did not become flesh, only God the Son became flesh. If all three Gods, or persons, are co-equal and co-creator and co-eternal, to create human being, why only one person had to drink the cup of sufferings while the other 2 persons relax in heaven? If they are in union, or united, or in-sync, or whatever you want to call that, why not all 3 persons became flesh?

If only one person became flesh, how can we say God became flesh when the other 2 persons did not?

Does it not show you how the trinity doctrine manages to make you agree that the one true God, did not became flesh? When a person denies God became flesh then he fits the bill of an anti-christ.

it helps, in term of be salt and light, Help poor and needy. But the new pastor has spin off the ministry to care for poor and needy. Which makes me think why i need to stay. I don't have a reason to stay.
I am not thinking about leaving my faith but should I find a new "home".

No I'm not talking about that but which translation you're using?

Okay this is my personal view.

Helping the poor and reaching out to others is one of the ultimate good works which we all should do as Christians. It completes our religion.

AND......................If the invited pracher's sermons help you to grow, I don't see why you should leave.

1. Invited preacher drain church resource($$$). As a pastor, he did not do his part to nurture the church himself. Using church resource to invite speakers, using church resource to fund him to speak in another church.
2. I am no longer in the church direction/theme which is young adult.
3. Feeling this is a touch and go pastor.

Thanks for replying.

You mean the current direction = geared towards more for young adult and you felt left out..is that....why you're leaving?

NIV, just that I change the word Jesus Christ to God Almightly Father because He IS God. Is that wrong?

Yes it is wrong because the 3 Divine Persons are distinct yet the same One God. And to change Scripture to your liking ....you know...

This post has been edited by yeeck: Aug 6 2018, 11:06 AM

I see..I ask because I thought there's a new translation in the market that actually uses God the Father.

Ok...now back to your question.

I think the reason why you can't accept trinity is maybe..I say maybe, you're trying to define it by how you understand things are logically possible from our understanding.

I think for God to be "God"...we need to give room...there are aspects of God ..that we may not fully comprehend. Why? Because He is beyond us.

So how to solve this? Just accept God for who He is....If God can be distinct in 3 persons and yet is One as God, then that is what it is.

You noticed the fact that Jesus did not pray to himself but spoke to God the Father and referred to Him as another person.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 6 2018, 11:39 AM

No I am not wrong. God is only one. Fact is your catholic teaches heresy. Trinity doctrine is created by the anti-christ spirit.

See this verse in 2 Thessalonians 2:4,
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

All churches almost 99% of them, including the catholic worship the triune God. The triune God is a counterfeit God. But doesn't matter to me as this is already foretold in these verses,

Matthew 7
13 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

The very fact that you changed Scripture already shows your deviousness.

And twisting Scripture to your own perdition.