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there is no union, there is only one true God


you point being?

So you don't even understand trinity. But absurdily want to believe in that.

My point is your religion IS your idol. Your church IS your idol. You rather believe in the doctrines of men rather than trusting the Lord alone.

some people know that they dont know what they dont know


some people dont know that they dont know what they dont know



which is you?

This post has been edited by desmond2020: Aug 10 2018, 01:18 PM

Huh?

Okay enough with your craps. UW is right. I don't think you are saved yet. Go and repent NOW.

Bye.

oh that prosperity and health preacher?

I dont need his approval

But I can see your characters. Easily short fused one. Is that part of the fruit of Christ? I am sorry if I hurt you. Fact is I am also not immune to mistake. I know that and I am not forcing my belief in you or anyone. I hope I just planted enough seeds of doubt in you, so one day you can study it yourself.

whatever that float your boat

Yes I'm aware of this verse.

It's the one mystery which I've yet to understand completely but if my understanding is right, it means that the Son of God is in submission to the Father's will. Doesn't mean they're different in degree of power or divinity.

Jesus repeated said He did not do all that he did on his own accord but doing according to his father's will or work.

Yet it shows different persons not the same person.

One more verse to showcase this:

John 14:23 (NIV) - Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

The word "we" is there.

Phil. 2 cover this mah:

Verses 6 through 7 say, "Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God a treasure to be grasped, But emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming in the likeness of men." Christ was entitled to lawfully hold His existence in the form of God; He is worthy to hold this as His right. Therefore, He "did not consider being equal with God a treasure to be grasped." He "emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming in the likeness of men." The mind of Christ (Paul referring to) involves Him giving up His legal right.

"We" expressing that both attributes, of flesh (as Jesus in flesh) and of Spirit (Spirit of Jesus) would be revealed in the life of a christian.

Maybe.

But it's definitely NOT two persons or two spirits living in a man.

Makes sense if Christ was referring to his humanity side when talking about God the Father being "greater".

Yes and no. This is not easy to convey for you must have a background of the immanent Trinity and economical Trinity. To say that submission were something that had no basis in the being of God will result in God acting in an arbitrary manner. This is modalism too.

The Son said that He is one with Father (equal with God) yet economically, He says the Father is greater than he. The Son's position was a voluntary choice of our Lord. Philippians 2 is very difficult to explain. But it is also a most divine passage. We are standing on holy ground. It seems as if there was a conference in the Godhead in the beginning in which a plan was made to create the universe. In this plan the divine persons of the Godhead agreed with each other and came to the understanding that the Father would be the representation of authority. But if there was only authority without submission, authority could not be established, because authority is not something isolated. Hence, there must be submission in the universe.

In the Godhead there is equality, yet it is happily arranged that the Father should be the Head and that the Son should submit. The Father became the representation of authority, and the Son became the representation of submission. There is an order where Father is first and the Son second. There is submission in the Godhead (in a sense created by the Son) before the universe ... this is only possible if God is Triune

We are human. Submission for us is simple. We can submit as long as we humble ourselves. But the Lord’s submission is not a simple matter. The Lord’s submission is more difficult than His creation of the heavens and the earth. In order to submit He had to empty Himself of all the glory, power, position, and image in His deity. He also had to take on the form of a slave. Only then could He receive the qualification of submission. Hence, submission is something created by the Son of God.

Now, this obedience MUST NOT be understood on the basis of our human obedience RATHER, our human submission should be understood on the BASIS of the submission of the Son eternally. It is not our human "command structures" or "hierarchy" or "boss-employee relationship". Rather the Son's relation to the Father is the model of our relation to the Father.

This is NOT subordinationism! The language is misleading really because the belief is the Son is somehow less than the Father because He is subordinate to the Father. In its most extreme form is Arianism.

So, the Son's obedience is not inferiority. Technically, in terms of being, He is equal to the Father. In terms of "relation", he is from the Father. Well, in terms of order (not rank) I have mentioned above.

(I stop here ... there is another part on the risky matter of the the possibility that the Son could not return as a man ..) ...

This post has been edited by pehkay: Aug 12 2018, 09:19 AM

NOTHING TO DO, ONLY BELIEVE

John 6:28–29 (NIV) - …“What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”


When the jailer asked Paul and Silas, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household” (Acts 16:30–31). The "greatest miracle" in your life happens not by you working and trying to save yourself, but by you simply believing in Jesus who died to save you from eternal damnation and to give you eternal life.

Why then, should the lesser miracles of healing or financial breakthroughs be any different and not work on the same premise of faith?

I leave this to your thoughts.

God Bless

Thank you for explaining the 'Covenant of Redemption' ::


Eternal life was promised before time began. Who did God made the promise to before time began? Something for you guys to ponder..

And Jesus prays to Himself ya in the Garden of Gethsemane? What is the formula for baptism for Unitarians? Oh wait...they don't believe in baptism for the remission of sin.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Aug 13 2018, 01:42 PM

STOP IT I've never advocated 'works based' salvation. Only Obedience. Endurance. Perseverance. Narrow path.

"He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; "- Rom 2:6-7

" If ye love me, keep my commandments. "- John 14:15

So you really got to stop pinning this 'works based' straw man on me. It's tiring.

e.g. People who follow Buddha & think works will safe them, ARE 'works-based' religions. Do you get it? We follow Jesus. Discipleship. The WAY.

Not just merely professing an intellectual belief, but showing it in our ACTIONS.


"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." - John 8:11

Why would Jesus say, to go & sin no more if it's not possible?

"So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man" - Acts 24:16


Haih UW, you're the one who purposely refuse to understand this (heck, even the RC fella understands this!), & hold on to your antinomianism beliefs of 'saved in the spirit, but still sinful in the flesh'.

So you gotta stop propagating this 'sinless perfection is not possible' nonsense. You've been fed too much diabolical doctrines by modern day churches.

THAT.............is heresy.




Also, since you're too thick to understand the point that i've been trying to make, regarding the thief on the cross, let me elaborate.

refer to my post here https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=89748947

Without the two or three witnesses required, it is not established truth before God.

Considering the manner of life of the saints in the Scriptures, you’ll not find one instance where they sought to convert a person to faith at time of death.

That’s because nothing whatsoever is commanded or taught by God that would induce one to coerce or cajole last-minute professions of faith from anybody.

Such wouldn’t be true faith. Men of faith die as men of faith, and the wicked die in their sins.

The 'story' is the one and only(not as what you claim : consistent throughout the Bible ) witness to that doctrine in all of Scripture, because the story is spurious.

While the Lord doesn’t cast off any who come to Him, this account doesn’t match how things work.

Inner change takes place over time.

Nowhere is repentance or the necessity of exercising newfound faith for spiritual growth mentioned.

It’s all about, “Remember me, Lord,” and finding oneself transported into Paradise as if by magic.

Of course my posts don't make sense to you, when you're interpreting scripture with your carnal mind. You pretend to not understand. OSAS? Co mon!





Apart from this 'thief on the cross' story, which tells you about 'death bed conversions', show me where else in the Bible is there another example like this??

Don't simply say!

SHOW ME!!


You pretend to not understand, because you refuse to understand! You are setting a really dangerous precedent here. 'Easy believism' was never taught in the 1st century.

The stakes were high for the Christians of that time. They knew & understood what following Christ meant.

Which includes certain death, in the face of lions at circuses.






p.s. Martin Luther did not want the Book of James to be included in the Canon. He couldn't fit it into his doctrine.

Hallo there.

Obedience is important but it's the fruit, not the root as the contention. Fruit meaning, it's origin is from the HS. Hence we cannot use it as justification because we can't force it out of a person. If you content on that, you'll have to contend against God's working in the person's life. When you enforce the idea that obedience is needed for justification, that makes it a work. Do not think the definition of work refers typically to works of charity, etc. In the Greek definition, it encompasses whatever originated from Man, that would include Man's performance.

My opinion is, we need to be patience with people and let God be God working, not US trying to instill unnecessary fear into the person's life.

The dying thief is the root evidence of the gospel, that Salvation is by Faith and through the Grace of Christ. There is no need for any other examples. How he got saved...is the same way with the rest of us...By Faith and by Grace.


This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 14 2018, 10:18 AM

math and number are created by God to “measure” the physical world

When a person that believes god is just a “thing”
Trying to understand god the way we understand the world

That person was lost.

Both are Christian singers.