QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 14 2019, 08:38 AM)
As i have mentioned to you, heaven is not the purpose of faith in God. Its a consequence that you are only focussing on.
To the Jew, faith is the now, on earth. Our faith is messih Jesus is for living and being light in this dark world, and reflecting His glory.
Works is not required for salvation. Faith in Messiah Jesus is.
Yet Faith encompasses works. Therefore Faith demands works. That is the understanding of faith (Aman) by Jews and explained by James.
Remember James pointed to the faith of devils too. This is ungodly faith. i guess it does not save?
To the Jew, faith is the now, on earth. Our faith is messih Jesus is for living and being light in this dark world, and reflecting His glory.
Works is not required for salvation. Faith in Messiah Jesus is.
Yet Faith encompasses works. Therefore Faith demands works. That is the understanding of faith (Aman) by Jews and explained by James.
Remember James pointed to the faith of devils too. This is ungodly faith. i guess it does not save?
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 14 2019, 09:00 AM)
Of course I'm talking about the end result and no where did I suggest Faith is not in the living now.
We need to establish correctly how you get Salvation which is by faith in Christ and by God's Grace which is the Gospel at the core because if we don't, the rest will be faulty. That is why knowing the consequence is important. The bible says those who have this hope, purifies himself. (1 John 3:3)
You're just too negative of your view of what I say and what I believe in, that is the problem.
That leads You to always think I'm always suggesting disobedience or suggest licentious lifestyle.
Haih prophetjul.
So that settles it, What you're talking is what I'm talking.
I've always strongly preach that Faith in Christ is what saves us, not works. So whether you have enough work, lack of it, fallen short, at the end of the day we ALL still appeal to Christ,
NEVER our works. With that being said.......
The works or the fruits are the work of God so we should not preach Me Me Me I I I need to do this or that, We need to preach God, IE CHRIST because only God is able to change the person. Else we can't really work out our Salvation. There is no way.
The focus of this has been WRONG all the while. We keep preaching you must repent, YOU must work, YOU must show fruit..when we should be preaching Look to Christ the person who IS GRACE that is the root and power of life so that repentance can come. That is the Gospel IMO.
Psalm 133 King James Version (KJV)We need to establish correctly how you get Salvation which is by faith in Christ and by God's Grace which is the Gospel at the core because if we don't, the rest will be faulty. That is why knowing the consequence is important. The bible says those who have this hope, purifies himself. (1 John 3:3)
You're just too negative of your view of what I say and what I believe in, that is the problem.
That leads You to always think I'm always suggesting disobedience or suggest licentious lifestyle.
Haih prophetjul.
So that settles it, What you're talking is what I'm talking.
I've always strongly preach that Faith in Christ is what saves us, not works. So whether you have enough work, lack of it, fallen short, at the end of the day we ALL still appeal to Christ,
NEVER our works. With that being said.......
The works or the fruits are the work of God so we should not preach Me Me Me I I I need to do this or that, We need to preach God, IE CHRIST because only God is able to change the person. Else we can't really work out our Salvation. There is no way.
The focus of this has been WRONG all the while. We keep preaching you must repent, YOU must work, YOU must show fruit..when we should be preaching Look to Christ the person who IS GRACE that is the root and power of life so that repentance can come. That is the Gospel IMO.
133 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
Sep 14 2019, 12:37 PM

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