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The first verse is especially for Mary worshipping RCC!

As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!" But he said, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"

And LO AND BEHOLD!

I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.


WoW!

I rest my case that at the end of the day, when you fall short, you still appeal to Christ as your Saviour ie appealing to God's grace as the key to Salvation. not your works.

While we are here, know ye that there are so many wonderful clues that God puts in His word, the scriptures?
Some will make your hair stand as well as reinforce your faith, of course.
Unfortunately, most are missed out because its in the Hebrew writings.

Just share one here.

Jesus was already mentioned in the first line of scriptures!

The Hebrew alphabet has 22 alphabets. The first alphabet is Aleph אֵ֥and the last, TAV ת.

The first line in Genesis. Hebrew reads from right to left.






See this bolded word here? It is the Aleph and Tav. This little word cannot be translated, even in Hebrew. The Jews do not know its meaning. However, they will NOT remove it in spite of seemingly meaning less.

In Isaiah 46:10 God says



And in Revelation 21, Jesus says



Problem is this is in Greek. Actually, Jesus would have been speaking Hebrew

"I AM Aleph אֵ֥and TAV ת.

Thus identifying with Himself in the beginning of scriptures!

What an incredible God He is!
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You are digressing from understanding of the word, FAITH. Nothing of only salvation.

Of course, Jesus is the Aleph אֵ֥ and TAV ת.

But we are studying what it means to live by faith and working out the perfecting of faith. His kingdom is now. Faith is required now.
Not in heaven. THAT is a consequence.

I've never disputed that Faith and Works goes hand in hand. I only dispute that works is the justification to Salvation. You never did understand that as well the rest who always disagree with me.

Whether you have done enough works or lack of it, at the end of the day you still appeal to Christ as the key to Salvation (For me the Bible has always highlighted has always been the Finish work of Christ at the cross which God accepts as the justification to Salvation)

Because if you say otherwise, why appeal to Christ for your short comings or your failure to adhere to God's command?

Do you see what I've been trying to tell you all along? Think about it.

You still do not get it. There is no such division as Faith and works separation. Its a binary.
You divide the two thinking they different. It is not.
You have been brought up in the school of faith vs works. It does not work that way. That's the reason you will have a problem with James 2.

When you have faith in Jesus, works is an inseparable part of faith. And without faith in Jesus, you have nothing.
Like it or not, faith encompasses work.

So lets just cut this very direct.

Are you saying your works is one of the justification to Salvation.

Yes or No?

I am saying FAITH in Jesus leads to the kingdom and ultimately heaven, which you like.

Go and study what Hebrew faith is, not what Faith vs works as the modern grace teachers like to pitch.
You want to learn, do and dig. Not just simple yes or no.

Then you will understand what James is trying to tell you.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Sep 13 2019, 02:09 PM

Erm, if you claim to understand better than I do, then you should know.

Yes or No? It is really that simple.

Justification by faith but faith is never alone


Faith is not just knowing the truth, but also living by that truth. Because even devil has the knowledge of truth, in fact devil has better knowledge about the truth than all of us, but he aint living by the truth

And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven."
Mark 2:5 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mrk.2.5.ESV





This post has been edited by desmond2020: Sep 13 2019, 02:56 PM

That's why I said he is a very confused person.

That's a mark of a person who is "not very saved".

You see, he cannot tell you that salvation is by works as it contradicts so many scriptures.

At the same time, he have to redefine faith to include works as well. In other words, since the scriptures say clearly that salvation is by faith, then by his own definition, salvation has to include works as well.

The thing is, if you approach him personally and ask him if he believes whether salvation is by faith alone and not by works, he will tell you that what you say is true because the Bible says so. But then he suddenly get very confused when being ask say how can a person who do this and this be saved. And he will then tell you that actually faith and works is "binary". In other words, faith intersects with works if you imagine this from a mathematical point of view.
Or work is a subset of faith depending on his definition.

The thing is thomasthai has the correct understanding of faith. Faith produces work. But then work itself does not saved. Work is just the evidence of faith.

The thing is, what he said contradicts what he believes in if you can see my earlier exchange with him.

And he will use his "Jewish" and "Greek" knowledge to prove that he knows better. Nevermind implying that the King James Version is the harder reading and therefore it's not inspired.

The thing is, for people that changes his definition again and again. You will never go far debating with him.

He is typical of someone who thinks that just because he has done so much in his life, God is obliged to grant him salvation. That is the reason why he thinks that he has to defend his works at all cost. This is certainly not faith. A person who has faith does not have to look at his works in order to know whether he is saved or not. He knows that he is already saved because that is what the Bible promises.

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

The God I believe in is not the same god he believes in.

Guess he also believe in the Kingdom now Theology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology

That's a very, very, very bad sign

Anyone wants to know how the Kingdom works can refer to this.
https://www.kjvbible.org/thekingdoms.html

The Jews were seeking for a literal Kingdom, not a "Kingdom now" Kingdom.

Sometimes a little knowledge is pretty dangerous.

For those who "preached" on works.
I really "hope" this will not happen to you

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Notice that this includes those who think they are "Christians" as well.

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 13 2019, 03:39 PM

Circular argument.

Simple yet too profound for some.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Sep 13 2019, 04:29 PM

You see it!

Even the devils believe. But they aren't saved. That's the clue that James was giving.

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Sep 13 2019, 04:28 PM

No it's not, you just refuse to answer.

Yes? No? Maybe? I don't know. <---there's nothing outside of these options.

I answered you yet you refuse to receive it.

Too profound for you perhaps?


Please explain James 2 then.