Hi alex.

Your question will hurt many liberal christian ladies who heard God tell them to go into ministry and be a pastor.

I am speaking from experience.

Actually, apostle Paul commended many women in joined work for God's kingdom in the Bible. Therefore it should not be that women are not allowed to teach or lead because if that is true, then the commended women of bible days would have not preached in public where there were Men and Women alike.

On the surface reading may seem to be pointing to women in general but if you read in context, it's very likely referring to husband and wife in the matter of authority.

Did you know; Phoebe, a leader from the church at Cenchreae, ......Paul attaches to her three titles: diakonos meaning a deacon, sister, and prostatis meaning "a woman in a supportive role, patron, benefactor"? A Deacon is someone in authority and also one who teaches.

For me I have no issue with it.

All the Women must be silent scripture verse..as I've said refers to Authority between Husband and Wife in context.

if you think about it, what in the world is the phrase child bearing has to do with anything and why mention it in the same chapter?

There is also a debate on the person of "Junia" in the Bible. Scholars could not readily agree whether the person is male or female but modern New Testament scholars agreed is a "she".

Who is Junia? She's an apostle of Christ. What is an apostle and what are the office role? The term "apostle" connotes the highest level of leadership and authority in the early church.

Talking about creation order, citing Adam and Eve, aren't they also considered husband and wife so to speak?

I think family settings starts from verse 11. Verse 8 & 9 would refer to Man and Women in general. It's a bit tricky with the Greek and Hebrew for that matter because the phrase Man can also refer to both Man and Woman.

For example....in the early verse "All those who are in authority", would include women too, yet Bible records the phrase man in verse 1 of the same chapter.

Erm, which part is the problem?

And...?

So where is the problem? If she's married then her head authority at home is her husband.

But if she's appointed as a pastor, then she has authority in church.

Hi Alexkos,

I apologize for cutting in, I would be more interested to know if you would have anything that the woman pastor had preached instead. Example like preaching was it for or was it against Scriptures ?

Think of it this way, being a pastor is a calling and God appointed. It's a matter of divine calling.

I think you confuse, just because the husband is the head in the house, that does not makes him automatically the head in the church, unless He is called too to be a pastor then He would be head in the church.

Read the foot note. The word women there refers to ...or Wife.
Of course not.

again, read the foot note
Or of the wife is her husband

Isn't correcting also a teaching?

It's in NIV

And in the Greek, the word  = guné which can refer to Woman or wife.

Intepretation leans more towards the wife, why? As I've said, why put in the word "childbearing" in the same chapter?

Child bearing = Wife?

No?

What Aquila and Priscilla did in correcting Apollo should tell you, 1 Tim 2 is not referring to women in general but wives to their husband, I've even given you the example of Juniaa who was elected an apostle carrying the highest authority in early church. What more do you want if these doesn't explain?
Which is exactly the point; IF it points to all Women, that ALL Women must be quiet and cannot teach a Man, then pray tell me what has child bearing has to do with every women, all they are married?
I submit to you, the context leads more plausible of Wives to their husband. Of course not every wife will bear a child BUT you and I know, child bearing is sanction under marriage.

Or *wink* all these presupposes there is a role called the pastor

What if, all the believers should shepherd each other mutually. After all, elder denotes the person, and overseer denotes the function.

And that sister should not define the truth with authority but be under the covering of the brothers.

You should start with v.7 in Eph 4.

v.7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Grace actually is the divine life that both produces and supplies the gifts.  God has given grace to each one of us according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Following this, Christ gave these gifted ones to His Body. This was so not only during the apostles' age but also throughout the generations. Some became apostles, some became prophets, some became evangelists, and some became shepherds and teachers. These the Lord gives to the church for the building up of the Body of Christ (v. 8-12).

These gifted ones, the apostles, prophets, evangelists, and shepherds and teachers, are perfected by the Head, Christ; these are needed by the Body. Their work is not to build up the church directly but to perfect the saints so that they can also do the work of the ministry, to build up the Body of Christ (v. 12; 16)

Although the direction of the work of these four groups of people is different, their goal is the same, that is, the building up of the Body of Christ, yet not directly but through the perfecting of the saints.

What I am saying is controversial (muahahha), is the tradition of Christianity is to have a pastor do the preaching and a sanctified class of people do the holy work; the church is built by a clerical class, and the thousands of congregational members are not the builders.

However, the way ordained by God is carried out by a few gifted members who do not build up the church directly but perfect every saint to do their work, which is the work of the ministry, the building up of the Body of Christ. Every saints can do the work of an apostle, prophets, teachers and evangelists.

Just like your physical body.

Cheers!

Haih Bro....I think I've explain enough, not here to force you to believe my interpretation. It's not even my interpretation, it's what the Bible records. The phrase child bearing is there, there are no insignificant details in the Bible, every word has a purpose and context.

But IMO when it comes congregational activities, sure why not, woman pastor allowed to teach the congregation. If in the days of Paul, women are doing that, what's the difference today? You seem to purposely ignore what you yourself just said in the examples of Aquila and Priscilla. Sometime I just don't understand you.

Peace yo.

Hmm? You can see it in v.16 ... and through the operation in the measure of  each one part, causes the growth of the Body.

Each one part refers to each member of the Body. Through the growth in life and the development of gifts, each member of the Body of Christ has its own measure, which operates for the growth of the Body.