Hi all RECENT HONDA CKD cars owners, some of you including me may feel cheated by what Honda Malaysia recent build quality degration! I bought my civic recently CKD model and I got never ending build quality issue.

I have seen a lot of ppl say this is CKD and we must accept! How can this be? How can we let Honda take us for a ride on a 120++ car! Most people complain to dealers and if the dealers say " biasala ini made in Malaysia". This is wrong. Consumers have rights.

(Update)
For my complains:
My comment here on the rattling noise here (8 Gen civic)
http://eightgc2.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?...mforum=eightgc2

And the thin outer layer steel problem here (8 Gen civic)
http://eightgc2.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?...mforum=eightgc2

The A pillar problem , just take a look here (8 Gen civic)
http://eightgc2.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?...mforum=eightgc2


More update (24/05/2007)
HONDA NOW = DEATH!!! FAILURE AND CRACK ON BRAKE PADS, HOW CAN HONDA PLAY WITH HUMAN LIFE! SHAME ON YOU HONDA!

(Honda Accord brake failure!!!)


CRACKS at both front brake pads (8 Gen civic)
http://eightgc2.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?...mforum=eightgc2



Another member also have CRACKS at both front brake pads (8 Gen civic)
http://eightgc2.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?...=eightgc2



For a list of complain by other member of that forum just go visit here:
http://eightgc2.forumup.com/viewforum.php?...mforum=eightgc2

Its time we act! We must do something about it and not just accept it cause that is why Honda Malaysia will never improve, in the USA if something like this happen, Honda will be sued kau kau and NBC will air it for all to see, so I think we should do a similar thing here or else Honda Malaysia will never improved! And in USA Honda will never dare to pull such a stunt cause they know the price they will pay, So if you just biasa la ini made in Malaysia punya Honda then Honda think we Malaysia consumer are so stupid we just accept shity quality as NORMAL!!!!!!

So my fighting brother and sister Its time we act! !!! Join all the fighters here! (not up to date anymore)
http://www.motortrader.com.my/asp/forum/to...?TOPIC_ID=19210

see some pic taken when they stormed Honda on 17thMay2007.
Photos are here: (photos were removed due to possible complications with honda)
http://s210.photobucket.com/albums/bb105/myzoro/

Write to myzoro at myzoro@yahoo.com and join force with him in KL. If possible he will gather about 20-30 people before he go to TV3 TV9 or whatsoever television firms.

Do anything to complain! Phone them, email them, go see them, lodge a formal complain, etc...

Pusat Khidmat Aduan Pengguna Nasional (NCCC)

No. 1D, Bangunan SPKK, Jalan SS9A/17
Petaling Jaya
Selangor
Malaysia
47300

nccc@nccc.org.my
03-78779000/78748096
03-78748097

AND

also

http://www.kpdnhep.gov.my/index.cgi?lang=english

Kementerian Perdagangan Dalam Negeri Dan Hal Ehwal Pengguna
Lot 2G3, Pusat Pentadbiran Kerajaan Persekutuan
Precint 2, Putrajaya, Malaysia. 62623
Hotline : 1800-886-800

603-8882 5500
603-8882 5762

Write to Mr P. Jeevananth <pjeevananth@kpdnhep.gov.my>,
or call him directly at 016-2333910

Hope to see you in this struggle for justice!!

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Latest UPDATE: 26/05/2007

Honda has finally responded to myzoro and all his friends which means they successfully force Honda Malaysia to do something about all the build quality problem. So now Honda Malaysia has ask the Japanese from Japan I suppose to come to the USJ service centre to take a look for themselves!

So all you Honda CKD cars owner that have things to complain about your new car please go there and support myzoro and his friends! The accord and civic owner will be there! Hope to see some honda city drivers, I'm sure the city CKD drivers have issue as well, if your car is a cbu unit which I'm pretty sure are quite problem free when its new so please don't go for this meeting as this meeting are specifically for new honda cars that are ckd.

So! Make sure you guys go at 1st JUNE/ FRIDAY at 9.a.m meet them at USJ service centre.

Coordinate everything with myzoro (myzoro@yahoo.com) for the meeting. Look for myzoro or any of the other honda drivers going there to complain.

and finally demand kau kau!!! Lol, Hopefully honda will do things professional and solved the problem. I guess we kampung Honda can only hope honda will finally solve the a pillar problem and the other issue when I take my car to service. oh well better then doing nothing lah i guess...

So Show those Japanese so they know how suckky Honda Malaysia is and maybe Just maybe the Japanese will step in and future Honda owner in Malaysia will have peace of mind when they get their new car.

Thanks again to tai ko myzoro , you're the man at least now something is being done by Honda.


This post has been edited by walau: Jun 6 2007, 11:54 AM

I suppose after Honda was robbed from Boon Siew....things changed??

RM120K for a Proton quality standard is unacceptable!!!

I support u to sue them kau-kau!

Im soo outta this country

i think similar action should be done on Proton as well

tis all is because the QC in here very poor. sometimes just have a little duit kopi den can settle d.

proton quality? What an insult.

Did i mention before that a fren of my who is working at the Honda plant in Alor Gajah did not impress at all with the cars assembled there. he bought a Proton Savvy instead despite rebates given to their own workers. Lots of factory defects Honda cars which can be bought at very cheap price from RM40k.

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Added on May 23, 2007, 1:11 pmBlame the worker's lacksicidal attitude.

This post has been edited by hypermount: May 23 2007, 01:11 PM

So what do they expect to get out of this? For honda to strip and refit their cars? to have honda to compensate for poor quality? to have honda replace their cars?

Best case is free service vouchers.

so now P2 > Honda ?

nope, but its "tidak apa" attitude issue.

The best will be total recall for all CKD cars affected by the defects, but I know that's not gonna happen.

The second best will be firing of all upper management staff for failing to deliver car of acceptable quality, its Honda we're talking here, not Proton.

I know what you mean when you ask the question, Most typical Malaysian will ask "So what do they expect to get out of this nothing can be done anyway..." its because most Malaysian don't act that proton still alive, if we never do anything then nothing will change, it we act then at least they is a chance for change.

Well, at least more ppl will know Honda cars (CKD) is not = to Quality! So hopefully less victim. I just don't understand how can Honda Japan oversee this.

This post has been edited by walau: May 23 2007, 01:28 PM

Maybe Honda ~= P1 ~= P2. Haha

that can never happen here ...

p2 quality also not that good only...same to toyota...

Well you know things like this would, after "THEY" takeover something.

Anyway.... yea I don't think Honda(mas) gonna do anything about it. Probably TS gonna ask the public to boycott honda?

need to include umw toyota malaysia as well

oh dont forget thailand honda cars too...qc suck

buy a myvi la, its better than civic in terms of quality and speed

hmm... so CKD Honda is not really good... what car is good then... and please don't tell me myvi because i bought 1 for my mum and it is definitely cannot be classified as good...

yea.. add them in too~

build quality issues. Took me 2 years to solve the noisy sound ~ claim 2 absorbers and in

ouch... now umw toyota malaysia is out too... may as well just buy a cheaplak wira... at least when quality problem not that angry...

In you pic, is the issue with the pilar cover not proper fit to the dashboard?

I've already told you all that if CKD,

P1 = P2 = Toyota = Honda

Now u all believe me????

now the debate begins... pop corn with extra butter pls...

so why waste money to buy toyota or honda??
better buy waja or savvy instead

hmm...from the list of problems i see in the forum...i can confirm the problems u are facing is worst than Proton cars ...but i have a Honda CITY at home...so far no prob with it

This post has been edited by Pro-MX: May 23 2007, 05:21 PM

Until Proton dies, issues like this will be considered as "biasalah, CKD"

different assemble batch will have different potential issues... & among them will have a few lemom grade car...

I've had problems with Honda as well....Last time it was still under Kah Motor...

My dad bought a Honda Civic 1.6 Vtec in 1996. We went to the showroom to collect the car. When the car came, it turned ot to be manual(we ordered auto). Nevermind, the Sales Rep offered to bring us to the place where the issue out cars(dunno what place, forgot), there we saw the car that is supposed to be ours(matching coulour, engine codes, chasis number), and it was in horrendous condition...

Dust everywhere, rims dirty, it wasn't a new car at all! The driverside back door panel has the body colour paint over it, (that means they didn't dismantel the door panel before painting, they just painted the paint over it).So my dad complained that he wanted a NEW car, not some car that has been outside for ages....

After much negotiation, the sales rep offered free tinting and some other free stuff. So my dad accepted.

The car was alright. We took the car for it's first 1000km service. The service went quite ok, i think.

When we took the car back, a bird poopped on the mirrow, so we used to sprinkler and clean the poo with the wiper. A few drop of water from the sprinkler fell on the bonnet(normal lah), and to our surprise, there were smoke comming out from the "water" on the bonnet. We stopped the car by the side, and checked, it was some kinda chemical reaction with the metal bonnet, and the sprinkler sprayed the water up till the roof of the car and a bit on the boot. The car's roof was all ruined with the "water".

We took it back to Honda, complained KAU KAU....then they checked out and out out that their service people mistakenly put some kinda chemical into the water sprinkler compartment.

My dad demanded a new car, Kah Motor refused but said that they will replace the bonnet,boot and repaint the roof.

My dad consulted a lawyer after that.

After that, all i know is that we got a new car with new registration and we had a temporary car from Kah Motor to use during the process. The new car didn't do quite well either, damn a lot of parts broke down in less than 3 years.

Since then, my dad never buys a Honda car.

BTW, this happed in 1996-1997, about 10 years back. The Civic was sold to get an Altis, which is way better than the Civic.

i am dam shocked with the 2 pages of problem posted in 8th gen civic forum ... 120k car with such quality .. very disappointing..

When that happens, still "CKD, normal la tu".
Will blame on Proton again becoz CBU too expensive.
I thought Honda & Toyota is perfect

i want some too

I'm not going to start a war but when it becomes to consumer rights, no matter u're Honda, Proton, Merc, BMW, we fight it together.

Heard of the saying "Grass is greener on the other side."?

Your friend hasn't worked at the Proton assembly plant, how could he know it's better than Honda? Maybe he'll vomit everyday at work.

And yeah, we'd like to blame your friend's lackadaisical attitude for crappy Honda cars. Can we cut off his penis too?

This post has been edited by Bernard Yeo: May 23 2007, 06:05 PM

ms hypermount n her female frd

Hi walau !
My fren 8th gen civic also got the same problem like u !
I've noticed the A pillar problem and when got heavy downpour, the roof is not well insulated. The soundproofing for the roof is very poor. Really dunno what to say, i think the toyota vios soundproofing better than the civic.
What can my fren do about this ?

hey..i m realli surprised with this issue..
i nvr thought the ckd quality of honda cars were like this..
i hv nvr bought a car myself b4..but i do read a lot..
it seriously sucks man..

y so long oni this issue brought up?

is this the same for beemers/ toyota??

i was thinking 1 day..the honda stream will b mine..

i tink v all better buy local cars for life or as long as we're in Malaysia..

There should be less problems with CBU cars.
Try telling those with lots of money to buy local cars for life. See if they laugh in your face.

Quite surprising that even though Honda Malaysia is managed by an japanese elected from the HQ, QC problems still appears. Even UMWT is not spared with QC problems as well. Still i believe this is the problem of the workers themselves.

Most of out local assemblers are still on manual labor and lower tech/QC than those in Japan/Europe. That the price to pay for our beloved NAP.

From ms hypermount point of view revealing that his friend who is an honda employee is driving a savvy, sounds to me he is trying to get the whole malaysia to buy and drive savvy.

This post has been edited by travis_ckf: May 23 2007, 07:09 PM

hypermount to addict with savvy

buy myvi good like some idiots here ^^ no QC prob

myvi so perfect one. better than Honda here

Back to Honda Malaysia's QC problems. Seems as though the stock car is not good enough. Immediately after buying, you must send for repair.

So maybe foam and superglue must be injected into the A-Pillars, sound proofing mats placed between the roof and the ceiling. I read in another forum that someone got this Civic with one side higher than the other because of bushing or whatever...

Sounds like problems from an old car.

maybe Proton has fired quite some workers in assembly, then they got a job offered in Honda and toyota. In the end, the wart is being transferred

This post has been edited by dattebayo: May 23 2007, 07:35 PM

If u asked me, i rather welcome Honda malaysia rather than Kah Bintang coz the honda brand was almost screw up by Kah Bintang. Take a look at the earlier Civic 7th gen batches from kah Bintang and compare it to the facelifted 7th gen civic from Honda malaysia. Even today Kah Bintang didnt do that well with Hyundai in Malaysia, or else we might enjoying the new accent rather than relying on the overpriced and ugly RX-S.

Agree. MyVI is the best currently in the market. Must buy MyVi. Must buy MyVi. Must buy MyVi. Cheap. And its a Toyota.....

Same quality issues happened to my mum's city. The A piller plastic came off. Sent it back to SC to fix it. Few months later, came off again! Then we told the SC mechanics we dont wanna see it coming off 3rd time. After that it was fine. Then another problem - power window. The driver's side power window failed to came up one day after it went down. Can you imagine this kind of problem happening to a Honda??! I thought my mum's city was just plain unlucky. Never thought other Honda owners face the same problem as well..

P holders normally use myvi

-Double post-

This post has been edited by nerd nation: May 23 2007, 09:02 PM

i`ll buy a putra .lol

Back then it was Kah Motor, mate. Kah Bintang is a JV of sorts, not wholly owned by Kah Motor.

And FYI, the supposedly best assemblers in M'sia is Oriental Assemblers. They assemble Mercs, Hondas, Hyundais and Peugeots... That means OA used to assemble Civics, Citys and Accords... Honda Motor Co actually had a 22.5% stake in OA from 1987 to 2005...

Anyway, all CKD Honda cars from 2006 onwards should be assembled in HM's Malacca plant... It's quite a shock actually to hear of all these quality issues...

I was planning to get a City VTEC as a 2nd option if I can't get the Jazz VTEC, after knowing this, it reinforces my belief that CKD Hondas DO suck... Alright, that's it, CBU Thai Hondas for me ALL THE WAY...

This post has been edited by Vanquish: May 23 2007, 09:08 PM

really or not....

or are you the un-lucky 1 again???

friend you forgot what happened in Thailand I think.

A Thai Honda owner drove to the plant in Thailand and TORCHED his car. Car burnt to a crisp. Honda Thai gave him a new unit and an apology. Someone pls Google it.

He had similar complaints as Malaysian Honda owners.

Source please...

1 is unlucky. but in his thread in other forum, it seems the problem is not a problem but a feature.

call honda malaysia straight and bring it to them..
either that, or get like few hundred members, sign a petition, go public..
i'm sure out of all the 8th gen civic members and people around, some sure got contacts for editors in big newspapers....

Yeah thanks for correcting me mate

On QC issues, i believe their QC wont be as bad as Proton from the last few years. My siblings do own a city and jazz and so far no major problems were heard off.

watever it is...my accord dont have much problem like this....

however, it is still worst than MyVi. I feel that MyVi QC is the best in Malaysia. When I go to check out Viva, the door close with very nice sound. Then I check out MyVI. Damn nice. Start engine with the odometer light up also very nice. dun see any quality issue at all. now MyVI have rm500 discount if you're Citibank card holder. I'm not seller. so dun PM me.

see...that what happens when ur force to have 30% equity...

quality drop like SH*T.

have to. else, how? malay said they need help for another 50 years if Im not mistaken. this is to help them mah.

Dun say like that ler...all cars also got problem.....MYVI included...hopefully my MYVI don't have problem.....fingers crossed...

But seriously my 7 year old Sephia never have such problem initially when it's new...now only normal wear and tear.....but of course...it's imported wan....local cars/CKD/assembled still got a long way to go...

I agree. All cars has its own problem. But when the problems spread to the masses (consumers) especially brand new cars without QC, is catastrophically bad. Hiring a couple more QC officers from Japan wouldn't hurt much. For the sake of cutting cost, this kind of defects not worth it in the long run and it can kill the sales and the confidence of the comsumers.

hwaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
8th generation honda is da best looking model but got so many prob...haiz...no matter how much help they drown themselves 1 la...kira lucky we dont drown wif them...proton salesman r millionaires during da early 90's n look wat happen to proton now...i dun 1 Dr. M's work go down da drain...!!!!!!!!!

Eh i thought myvi so perfect one. a lot of myvis on the road right now. must be no problem at all. savvy and neo so rare. must be at SC, being repair. dont worry la, ur myvi wont have problem. myvi is a perfect car. 0% problem. myvi is the best. honda and toyota also cannot challenge. no thread about myvi problem. toyota and honda got each one today. dont worry dude.
Really proud of Malaysian-made Toyota or Daihatsu.

This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: May 23 2007, 10:07 PM

yeah, I agree also. MyVi is the most perfect car in Malaysia. Some say in UK too. Toyota wanna challenge? THIS IS SPARTAA!!!

Woah, we got a HARDCORE Myvi fan here...

Dunno if he doesnt understand sarcasm

This is not sarcasm. This is the truth. THIS IS SPARTAAAAA!!!!!

not insult but fact
pls

Nothing is wrong with the new Civic I'm driving except some teething problems. Just send in to one of their Honda 3s centre & they will happily troubleshoot & repair it for you.

Driving an Accord 97 without any problems.

i canceled my civic and book a myvi recently

Is it CKD? If not, please shuddup SO how are u lately man? I heard u got a lot of increment....change to new Civic lar..

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Added on May 23, 2007, 11:02 pmGood choice. I think MyVi should be better than Civic.

This post has been edited by gogo2: May 23 2007, 11:03 PM

last time when I bought a honda from the dealer, I refused to take the car until they finished fixing all the bugs. Now no trouble with it

dude .. azuma kun is just being sarcastic ...

Should be "Proton last time". Not "Proton". That's the way to make it's a fact.

is it true if u rev high (e.g 4-6k rpm) for 1st 2nd gear will spoil auto transmission?

the city i have at home, the A pillar panel on passenger side is not fitted properly...
the passenger side footwell snapped out of place


assembled in malaysia...

damnit


sitting in a stream and jazz, you will notice the difference in assembly


edit:
pics that i posted in the city thread





This post has been edited by kcng: May 24 2007, 12:36 AM

really?

i sit in myvi every day also can't feel like sitting in a 100k++ car

My mom's city also has this problem. Furthermore, the dashboard also got squeking sound at the first week she got her car, sent to SC and they said the airbag loosen. Then about half year gone already, which is recently, the sound come back but not so frequently, need "consistent uneven road" only will come once. I open 1 eye close 1 eye for this issue right now.

The most ignoring case is with the sound come from the back. Everytime can hear "jit-jit" sound from rear.

I will never buy honda anymore if such problem continue... A proton won't make me so angry at least it is cheap. Considering a perdana over civic if they upgrade the interior/exterior of the perdana

Btw, please don't compare myvi with a civic. You are comparing a cat with a tiger in terms of size, power, stability and safety (price no need say, 50k vs 120k??).

Well i like this. But some people just dont understand it

well, the proton syndrome is spreading to other car manufacturers as well
the best bet would be buying a fully imported Build up export... of course its only for those have $$ or having close relationship with erm... AP minister

but isn't the city is assembled in thai? dont tell me even thai also infected by Proton syndrome

city and civic is assembled in melaka

Still got people dont want to admit
Proton jugak kena. kesian kesian.

Arr???

Are you very sure with what you said here boss???


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Hiyo... Proton like disease arr?? Can jangkit-jangkit to other manufacturer??

LOL.. like this if Ferrari happen to open a factory in Malaysia.. also will have very major QC problem lorr...

now Ferarri will never open their factory here in malaysia.....

imagine rempits assembling your ferarri ?

LOL...

But then.. I heard our local rempits are "better" than most foreign engineers/mechanics out there...


Can't imagine what they will do to a Ferrari if they manage to get their hands on it...

yeah wei

they can make their honda ex-5 go faster then the enginner and specialist in honda can...


true also your word.... who knows the rempits can "output" more HP from the ferarri

I wouldn't dare to let them touch my ferrari if I have 1 XD

If its true, let the other ferrari cars become testbed first

8th gen Civics looks so cool that I don't care about these minor problems. Myvi > Civic ?? Civic got how much small problems also will be still better than Proton and Perodua. I hear Alfa Romeo cars also got problems but they're cool right? Maybe Honda would become more "Alfa Romeo" like a niche car.

^
yeah but to spend more than 100k and still have this issue like assembly problem....

electronic problem that wan, we cannot say la, electronic ma.. if it fail, it fail

but assembly ?

so, how is the present quality of Honda cars?

supposedly to be good......
and its still good but the problem is more to the assembly done in malaysia