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55665566
post Dec 20 2018, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(budang @ Dec 20 2018, 09:02 AM)
well my circle of friends are mostly programmers / software dev, and it's safe to say it's pretty normal for 4 - 5 years experience. Although I'll admit my salary could be at the 75% percentile of software developers (higher than 75% of people with same profession & same years of experience). Though I'm the youngest because I graduate earlier than many other (I completed my degree at age 21).

A few other extreme cases seeing a 28 year SW developer earning 16k ++ with 6 years exp (a mutual friend of mine).
And a senior tech consultant who's doing programming job too is earning > 10k with the same years experience as me.

They're talented people, though.
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That's a lot tbh.
ex classmate i know, software developer, but earning around 3.5k only.
maybe because he's in manufacturing mnc and his background is electrical engineering.
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post Dec 20 2018, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Dec 20 2018, 09:17 AM)
That's a lot tbh.
ex classmate i know, software developer, but earning around 3.5k only.
maybe because he's in manufacturing mnc and his background is electrical engineering.
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How many years of experience? And what language is he doing?
Degree or diploma holder?
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post Dec 20 2018, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(budang @ Dec 20 2018, 09:03 AM)
What's your profession / job title?

2 years experience RM4K is quite normal, even among programmers around me
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I'm on finance side in financial institution. Actually the RM4k was obtained after one year of working, if by the end of the second year I would have got an increment and it would be around RM4.3k.
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QUOTE(budang @ Dec 20 2018, 09:43 AM)
How many years of experience? And what language is he doing?
Degree or diploma holder?
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Not sure the language,
~3 years, degree holder.
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post Dec 20 2018, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(budang @ Dec 19 2018, 05:52 PM)
Job Title : Senior Software Developer
Job Desciption : Typical programmer work
Age : 26
Years spent in company : 2 months
Industry : Insurance
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Senior
Experience before joining (years) : 4 years 7 months
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Software Engineering
Location : KL
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 46 - 55

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM8,000 basic, no allowance
Contractual Bonus (months): 1 month
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Average 1 month perf bonus

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Group medical card, Annual limit about 160k (rank dependent)
Transport Benefits : N/A
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : N/A
Flexi Working Hours : Flexible
Other Benefits : Dental + Optical RM500, car insurance subsidy, loan interest subsidy, can work from home

Fun Fact: I was one of only a few who graduated my degree on time (without retake), and the other of them are making 5 figure now, programming work too.
So some may say my salary is considered high, but they're way higher than me  biggrin.gif of course they're genius level. < 5 years work exp + below 30 already earning 5 figure.
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I'm too a software developer, but total experience 2 years+, (1y8m in this MNC), this is my 2nd company. Age 25, and my salary is way too low, I think even lower than market price. only 3.2k. My language skill set is MVC 6 core 2.1, EF7, simple skill of JS, Python, RESTful API developer (develop api), SDK developer and an embedded developer for Python. MNC based in Shah Alam, and I'm consider a team leader here in-charge of multiple peoples. What do you think my salary range suppose to be at?

I don't know what skill set and level you are at for your programming skill-set to achieve that high amount of income and especially at your age. I have been completed many projects and most of the time I'm solo in most of the software development and complete in time or even earlier. The new manager likes me and assign me a side project that not related to the company, although he is not the one who hired me. Anyway, I don't know how much value my skill set will get to offer, would you enlighten me?

*PS: I plan to hop cry.gif

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post Dec 20 2018, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 20 2018, 10:41 AM)
I'm on finance side in financial institution. Actually the RM4k was obtained after one year of working, if by the end of the second year I would have got an increment and it would be around RM4.3k.
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RM4.3K is perfectly fine I feel, quite market standard for 2 years exp.

If you plan to hop, maybe you can ask yourself have you learned enough in your current job? Or are there any frustrating elements to be considered?

One way is you can try updating your resume and wait for head hunters to call. This way you will know how much you're worth outside.
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post Dec 20 2018, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(badguy93 @ Dec 20 2018, 11:05 AM)
I'm too a software developer, but total experience 2 years+, (1y8m in this MNC), this is my 2nd company. Age 25, and my salary is way too low, I think even lower than market price. only 3.2k. My language skill set is MVC 6 core 2.1, EF7, simple skill of JS, Python, RESTful API developer (develop api), SDK developer and an embedded developer for Python. MNC based in Shah Alam, and I'm consider a team leader here in-charge of multiple peoples. What do you think my salary range suppose to be at?

I don't know what skill set and level you are at for your programming skill-set to achieve that high amount of income and especially at your age. I have been completed many projects and most of the time I'm solo in most of the software development and complete in time or even earlier. The new manager likes me and assign me a side project that not related to the company, although he is not the one who hired me. Anyway, I don't know how much value my skill set will get to offer, would you enlighten me?

*PS: I plan to hop cry.gif
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Based on what you described, you're quite underpaid. Although my ex colleague with 5 years experience is getting somewhere around your pay too.

What is your starting pay in your first job? I assume you didn't get much increment during your hop to second company.

With your experience & technology involved, I think many company are willing to offer up to 5k, no issue.

I'm a .NET fullstack developer, working on Javascripts (Jquery & AngularJS), SQL, and .NET4.5 stuffs.

Started my career with 3k salary, and I got most of my increment from my second company, involved in alot of crazy projects and my manager liked me. After that, took a decent jump to my third company(current place)

This post has been edited by budang: Dec 20 2018, 02:54 PM
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post Dec 20 2018, 03:23 PM

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Age : 27
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Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Engineer / But I assume company treat as Exec level
Experience before joining (years) : 0
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree
Location : My
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): ~ 40 hrs

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM 3.8k++
Contractual Bonus (months): Varies (lowest I had 1 mths, highest 3 mths)
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Double if outstanding, triple with exceptional (both is like impossible to happen.)

Benefits (where relevant) :
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Transport Benefits : Discounted flight, limited free ticket/year
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : NIL
Flexi Working Hours : Office hrs
Other Benefits : daily food allowance.

Looking to land a SG job if possible. Hoping for Airbus to open at Labu soon too. Gonna take forever probably.
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post Dec 20 2018, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(budang @ Dec 20 2018, 02:52 PM)
Based on what you described, you're quite underpaid. Although my ex colleague with 5 years experience is getting somewhere around your pay too.

What is your starting pay in your first job? I assume you didn't get much increment during your hop to second company.

With your experience & technology involved, I think many company are willing to offer up to 5k, no issue.

I'm a .NET fullstack developer, working on Javascripts (Jquery & AngularJS), SQL, and .NET4.5 stuffs.

Started my career with 3k salary, and I got most of my increment from my second company, involved in alot of crazy projects and my manager liked me. After that, took a decent jump to my third company(current place)
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My 1st company offer higher, which is 3.5k, but due to some reason i'm hop to 2nd company, but at that meantime I have no work for 1 month cause I have savings that enough for me to sustain my daily expenses. After that, took the 2nd company offer, like in the previous post, as written in the offer letter I could get the amount I demand, but I got lowballed, that time I guess I still a noob cry.gif , as for now my skill set and job scope is slowly spread wider. Were a full stack .Net developer handling project like what you described here, using all newest technology platform to develop big projects, and until now involved to Python which is not a .Net field. If positive thinking, that would be additional positive point. Now come back to salary topic, I guess i am underpaid for having doing multiple jobscope.

PS: I also handling Server stuffs such as server migration etc.

Based on Shah Alam market price, it shouldn't be too low. and also my increment were only 5.5%, highest is 8% that applies to higher management. They say 5.5% is high rclxub.gif , now I don't know.
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Industry : Engineering Consultancy
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Employment Level : Junior
Experience before joining (years) : 1
Highest paper qualification/ education background : BEng
Location : KL City
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): standard office hour

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Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM 3000
Contractual Bonus (months): -
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : No KPI but have annual bonus subject to employer's discretion

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : medical card + insurance
Transport Benefits : RM500 car expenses
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : company phone and line, laptop
Flexi Working Hours : -
Other Benefits : reserved parking space,out of office claimmables

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QUOTE(badguy93 @ Dec 20 2018, 04:56 PM)
My 1st company offer higher, which is 3.5k, but due to some reason i'm hop to 2nd company, but at that meantime I have no work for 1 month cause I have savings that enough for me to sustain my daily expenses. After that, took the 2nd company offer, like in the previous post, as written in the offer letter I could get the amount I demand, but I got lowballed, that time I guess I still a noob  cry.gif , as for now my skill set and job scope is slowly spread wider. Were a full stack .Net developer handling project like what you described here, using all newest technology platform to develop big projects, and until now involved to Python which is not a .Net field. If positive thinking, that would be additional positive point. Now come back to salary topic, I guess i am underpaid for having doing multiple jobscope.

PS: I also handling Server stuffs such as server migration etc.

Based on Shah Alam market price, it shouldn't be too low. and also my increment were only 5.5%, highest is 8% that applies to higher management. They say 5.5% is high  rclxub.gif , now I don't know.
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quite high compare to mine as mine was 3% only laugh.gif
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post Dec 21 2018, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(badguy93 @ Dec 20 2018, 04:56 PM)
My 1st company offer higher, which is 3.5k, but due to some reason i'm hop to 2nd company, but at that meantime I have no work for 1 month cause I have savings that enough for me to sustain my daily expenses. After that, took the 2nd company offer, like in the previous post, as written in the offer letter I could get the amount I demand, but I got lowballed, that time I guess I still a noob  cry.gif , as for now my skill set and job scope is slowly spread wider. Were a full stack .Net developer handling project like what you described here, using all newest technology platform to develop big projects, and until now involved to Python which is not a .Net field. If positive thinking, that would be additional positive point. Now come back to salary topic, I guess i am underpaid for having doing multiple jobscope.

PS: I also handling Server stuffs such as server migration etc.

Based on Shah Alam market price, it shouldn't be too low. and also my increment were only 5.5%, highest is 8% that applies to higher management. They say 5.5% is high  rclxub.gif , now I don't know.
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i left my previous company because boss only give me 5% increment.
as a fresh grad, that is very very little.
when asked boss why i only get 5%, he say he need to fit it into the bell curve/ distribution.

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post Dec 21 2018, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Dec 21 2018, 09:41 AM)
i left my previous company because boss only give me 5% increment.
as a fresh grad, that is very very little.
when asked boss why i only get 5%, he say he need to fit it into the bell curve/ distribution.
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Usually MNC is like this. They have thousands of employees around the globe, and if their business doesn't grow much (let's say 5% per annum only), but they give average 5% increment to everyone, their business won't be healthy.

And for the normal distribution graph / bell curve, it applies to everywhere around the world A-Z, no way you can hide from it.

Hence, only the best gets the best feed. The normal guys won't climb too high.

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post Dec 21 2018, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(budang @ Dec 21 2018, 10:13 AM)
Usually MNC is like this. They have thousands of employees around the globe, and if their business doesn't grow much (let's say 5% per annum only), but they give average 5% increment to everyone, their business won't be healthy.

And for the normal distribution graph / bell curve, it applies to everywhere around the world A-Z, no way you can hide from it.

Hence, only the best gets the best feed. The normal guys won't climb too high.
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thats why sometimes i like small business.
you can see your boss everyday, got issue just straight to his office.
their increment is usually lump sum amount, ie 500, 1000

i think in mnc, you wont even have chance to meet your ceo/director lol

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post Dec 21 2018, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Dec 21 2018, 10:18 AM)
thats why sometimes i like small business.
you can see your boss everyday, got issue just straight to his office.
their increment is usually lump sum amount, ie 500, 1000

i think in mnc, you wont even have chance to meet your ceo/director lol
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True, I've seen my friend in small company raking in 1000 - 2000 increment a year. But cons is you do few man job, as their team is not big and everyone cover each other. Work can be messy but you learn alot.
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QUOTE(budang @ Dec 21 2018, 10:51 AM)
True, I've seen my friend in small company raking in 1000 - 2000 increment a year. But cons is you do few man job, as their team is not big and everyone cover each other. Work can be messy but you learn alot.
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if you are still young, i dont think the heavy workload will affect you.
it is just for you to pick up skill and have worklife balance in the future when you have family.
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Hello, can share more if any other benefits and working experience?
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Hello, can share more if any other benefits and working experience?
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Standard benefits as with most banks. 15 years of experience
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Job Title : College lecturer
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