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badguy93
post Dec 13 2018, 04:28 PM

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Job Title : Software Developer
Job Desciption : Implement software with vendor and solution based for internal and customer demand
Age : 25
Years spent in company : 1 year 8 months
Company : MNC
Industry : Manufacturing
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Executive
Experience before joining (years) : 4 months
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Software Engineering
Location : Shah Alam
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary : RM 3271
Contractual Bonus (months): 1 mths
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : not more than 1 month (depend on project sometimes as incentives)

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Company medical claims
Transport Benefits : none
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : none
Flexi Working Hours : none
Other Benefits : claimable like on site for mileage, tng or etc related to normal working hour

Am i under pay? Considering currently I am being assigned to do the field that is totally not related to me. Company did not plan to hire the relevant employee specialize in the particular field while force me to take the field. If by positive thinking, additional knowledge would be advantage for future me, but is it worth? Also, on hand project there is 4 on going that need to implement where I do solo most of the time. (Because short of manpower, and skillset)

I am hesitating to resign due to waiting for the position raise. As for the resign reason, I find out that, one of my junior salary pays way higher than me and he is sleeping most of the time during working hour, a bit cannot accept that.

What is your opinion? Should I stay to wait or should I look for other job opportunities? Although, I am happy to work with the current boss, however deep down, am I being treated unfair.
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post Dec 13 2018, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(icebryanchan @ Dec 13 2018, 04:43 PM)
If I were you, I'd wait for the coming increment, if the increment is less than 20%, resign.

Fresh graduate of software engineer in Penang in 2018 can hit RM3400 for non-first class honor and RM3600 for first class honor. You should expect  at least RM100 or RM200 more since you are working in Shah Alam and somemore your company is a MNC.
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I'm first class honor and having multiple high level knowledge for my field, even now I am forced to do OT and the policy here did not pay OT to employee. Increment 20% is low no? What are the percentage of salary increment request when one person hop to another company?

But what if, the coming increment is less than 20%, immediately resign wouldn't affect the next company salary demand? Normally, it suppose required at least 3 months after the increment to consider the solid salary no?
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post Dec 14 2018, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(icebryanchan @ Dec 13 2018, 06:44 PM)
hopping to another company general rules (from all the gossips from my seniors and colleagues):-
MNC to MNC = 10% at least
MNC to small company = 10%-50% (any rate can happen if the small company boss really loves you)
small company to MNC = 20% at least

but many factors apply too, like what your current skills can contribute to the new company. one of my friends got offered from 3.3k to 4.5k to a new company, because the new company is doing the exact same job scope as his old one. note that he only worked a year after graduate.

for "solid salary", really depends on company, my colleague just got increment to 3.7k a month ago, and he went to interview recently, got offered by new company, based on his current salary, he is given 4.4k offer.

if the next company is really good, less than 20% is still considered ok.

At same salary, I would rather work in a new company than "NO OT pay, heavy workload and underappreciated".

P.S. : There are so many bad companies out there. We should always keep on exploring from time to time, to know how far our value can go. Many bad companies love to bully their workers by giving them low pays because they know majority of their employees are afraid to leave their comfort zone. I believe based on your experience and job location, you should at least get 4k for now. Good luck. #SayNoToBadCompanies
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I was from SME to MNC, the salary reduced by 20% (Last time i work happy here because of good colleagues and bosses). I agreed to the statement that many employees are afraid of leaving their comfort zone, but different situation for me. I am handling the task not even senior could handle because we do not have the skill set in the particular field. The task that I am being assigned into where I don't have single second to spare to train and have to deploy immediately. Imagine, you are in IT field where your strongest development is web based, and suddenly is asked to handle hardware based coding. This situation is exactly the same as going out from comfort zone, but 3 days time, and low pay? lol The field initially were someone but he resigned later. Feeling treated unfair while being pay so low..

Maybe I will stay after increment as suggested, and see how it goes later. Based on current market value for the value of my skill should be 5k+- , anyway, thanks for the suggestion. Have a nice day ahead.
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post Dec 18 2018, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(party @ Dec 16 2018, 11:04 PM)
MNC to MNC is 100% incorrect. It highly depends on position also. However standard is 20% and above. Those who got 10% is usually doesnt dare to request or desperately wanted to resign from their current co.
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I have seen some MNC promised you to get the 20% additional amount after you passed probation, and you will get the salary that below than 20% during your probation. However, after your probation, you only get 10% instead of 20%.. This scenario should resign or complain?

If to resign, isn't the next company view you as "not loyal" employee?
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post Dec 18 2018, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(jejaktrend @ Dec 18 2018, 01:14 PM)
verbal promise or written? if written just leave
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That happened about 2 years ago, it was written, and the manager who were the interviewer resign. After that, the new manager take over and only manage to raise half of the amount that were requested.
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post Dec 18 2018, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(party @ Dec 18 2018, 10:39 AM)
Then tats not mnc liao coz so far never head mnc do like tis. Also..always get it in written confirmation not verbal.

If it really happens, just ask ur manager n settle it internally. If unable to then depends on u. Nx company would not view u as not loyal if u noe wat to say in interview.
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Our MNC really do this, cannot expose which MNC later got spy here shakehead.gif
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post Dec 19 2018, 10:26 AM

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After bonus and increment, can consider hop company already, this MNC management is bias, I guess i have the lowest pay and do the most job here.. By the way thanks sifus here giving opinion.
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post Dec 20 2018, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(budang @ Dec 19 2018, 05:52 PM)
Job Title : Senior Software Developer
Job Desciption : Typical programmer work
Age : 26
Years spent in company : 2 months
Industry : Insurance
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Senior
Experience before joining (years) : 4 years 7 months
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Software Engineering
Location : KL
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 46 - 55

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM8,000 basic, no allowance
Contractual Bonus (months): 1 month
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Average 1 month perf bonus

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Group medical card, Annual limit about 160k (rank dependent)
Transport Benefits : N/A
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : N/A
Flexi Working Hours : Flexible
Other Benefits : Dental + Optical RM500, car insurance subsidy, loan interest subsidy, can work from home

Fun Fact: I was one of only a few who graduated my degree on time (without retake), and the other of them are making 5 figure now, programming work too.
So some may say my salary is considered high, but they're way higher than me  biggrin.gif of course they're genius level. < 5 years work exp + below 30 already earning 5 figure.
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I'm too a software developer, but total experience 2 years+, (1y8m in this MNC), this is my 2nd company. Age 25, and my salary is way too low, I think even lower than market price. only 3.2k. My language skill set is MVC 6 core 2.1, EF7, simple skill of JS, Python, RESTful API developer (develop api), SDK developer and an embedded developer for Python. MNC based in Shah Alam, and I'm consider a team leader here in-charge of multiple peoples. What do you think my salary range suppose to be at?

I don't know what skill set and level you are at for your programming skill-set to achieve that high amount of income and especially at your age. I have been completed many projects and most of the time I'm solo in most of the software development and complete in time or even earlier. The new manager likes me and assign me a side project that not related to the company, although he is not the one who hired me. Anyway, I don't know how much value my skill set will get to offer, would you enlighten me?

*PS: I plan to hop cry.gif

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post Dec 20 2018, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(budang @ Dec 20 2018, 02:52 PM)
Based on what you described, you're quite underpaid. Although my ex colleague with 5 years experience is getting somewhere around your pay too.

What is your starting pay in your first job? I assume you didn't get much increment during your hop to second company.

With your experience & technology involved, I think many company are willing to offer up to 5k, no issue.

I'm a .NET fullstack developer, working on Javascripts (Jquery & AngularJS), SQL, and .NET4.5 stuffs.

Started my career with 3k salary, and I got most of my increment from my second company, involved in alot of crazy projects and my manager liked me. After that, took a decent jump to my third company(current place)
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My 1st company offer higher, which is 3.5k, but due to some reason i'm hop to 2nd company, but at that meantime I have no work for 1 month cause I have savings that enough for me to sustain my daily expenses. After that, took the 2nd company offer, like in the previous post, as written in the offer letter I could get the amount I demand, but I got lowballed, that time I guess I still a noob cry.gif , as for now my skill set and job scope is slowly spread wider. Were a full stack .Net developer handling project like what you described here, using all newest technology platform to develop big projects, and until now involved to Python which is not a .Net field. If positive thinking, that would be additional positive point. Now come back to salary topic, I guess i am underpaid for having doing multiple jobscope.

PS: I also handling Server stuffs such as server migration etc.

Based on Shah Alam market price, it shouldn't be too low. and also my increment were only 5.5%, highest is 8% that applies to higher management. They say 5.5% is high rclxub.gif , now I don't know.
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post Jan 11 2019, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(gn9746203 @ Jan 11 2019, 12:23 AM)
Let me recap a little bit with you, I was a lucky guy, I got the opportunity to travel overseas in my first job and I make roughly around my current pay during that time with allowance. So when I first decided to switch field, I took a pay cut and start fresh again. The company in Malaysia won’t really appreciate your overall experience, they just look at what they want so it’s highly possible they will want to pay you less but trust me, they definitely want a cheap laoubor who know a lot.

Put that aside, I still encounter company that have trust on me so they offer what I want despite I don’t have the relevant experience in the field but yea, show them you actually can do. I have good technical skill so yea, language isn’t an issue for me and I worked in a big team before so I can handle a lot of thing. By the way I was a back end developer too.

So try to ask you the same question, can you do the same ?

My pay is roughly like that throughout my career
2400
2600
3200
4000
Restart
3700
5000
6500
7700

You could see that I get atleast 20% every time I make a move. Every time the new company will ask me why you demand so much? I convince them during the interview and I prove to them during the employment ... that’s it. If I never make a switch my pay is easily over 5 figure now but I am happy with it now.
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So good increment. Im 25, from .Net jump to machine language developer aka Python, have 2 years experience in .Net. Salary the same, in the same mnc. Sad life.
PS: 3.2k salary shah alam and have 91% kpi ... bangwall.gif
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post Jan 25 2019, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Bighead88 @ Jan 25 2019, 03:02 PM)
Job Title : Accreditation Officer (MQA, AACSB, UQUIS, AMBA, admin for research and grant)
Age : 30
Salary: RM3040.00 (after socs epf RM2682.00
Years spent in company : 5 years
Company : Private University in Malaysia
Industry : Education
Employment Level : Executive
Experience before joining (years) : 3 years
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Master's Degree (Political Economy)
Location : Selangor
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 9 hours perday.
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Finish Master at 22? rclxms.gif But salary abit too low...
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post Jan 28 2019, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Bighead88 @ Jan 25 2019, 03:25 PM)
Got master 2016.
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Omg, that is 3 years ago and with that salary, my advise, please jump rclxms.gif you can easily get offer with 5k+
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post Jan 30 2019, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(MaxSea @ Jan 29 2019, 11:15 PM)
Job Title : Bank Associate
Job Description : Bank settlement
Age : 23
Years spent in company : 3 months (Fresh)
Company : Bank (Oversea)
Industry : Financial industry
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Associate
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Bachelor's Degree
Location : KL
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40hours

Payout
Basic Salary+ fixed allowance : 3170
performance Bonus (months): depends
Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Group medical card and etc.
Working Hours : 9-6pm

am I being underpaid ? or should I hop?
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You are not as bad as me, 2 years with senior IT, only 3270. Maybe i should consider to hop doh.gif
some mnc in shah alam
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post Jan 30 2019, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Bighead88 @ Jan 30 2019, 11:24 AM)
If I jump they need to find person that have knowledge about Accreditation. I also managing IT system for the accreditation. Because they need to submit for the accreditation by JUNE. I am only the one that know the system and how to generate the report from a raw data. No supporting staff
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Since this is an advantage for you, because you know the knowledge that no body knows. You may demand higher salary instead, otherwise jumpship. Your manager will panic and counter offer that thumbup.gif
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post Jan 30 2019, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Jan 30 2019, 03:55 PM)
Better be careful on jumping n hoping manager want to counter offer. Cz some company, the HR have somehow big power over the manager.

Mean u out n need to replace with someone else.
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Then deal with it icon_idea.gif , some company will panic especially those company turn over rate very high, and only one employee out of many are talented and have knowledge in something where other don't. Timing is important when throw a resignation letter, especially on peak time..
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post Feb 12 2019, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(marythepurple @ Feb 12 2019, 12:03 AM)
Job Title : Music Teacher
Job Desciption : teaching intruments
Age :25
Years spent in company : 9 months
Company : a few music centres
Industry : music
Tenure : freelance
Employment Level :-
Experience before joining (years) : freelancing for 4 yrs
Highest paper qualification/ education background : bachelor's degree
Location : selangor
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 16

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM1000-1800
Contractual Bonus (months): none
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : none

Benefits (where relevant) :-
Health Benefits :-
Transport Benefits :-
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits :-
Flexi Working Hours :yes quite flexible
Other Benefits :-

I am thinking to change my career path towards banking industry. what should i do ? please give me some opinions
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My sister were once like your situation, degree in melbourne major in piano music. Banking industry is good, you will need someone help you pump the knowledge as you are from different field to different field. She went and took IT field as I can guide her along the way. There are 2 difference choices in person interest; 1: Your interest, 2: Good income career in long run / challenging.
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post Feb 13 2019, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(marythepurple @ Feb 13 2019, 12:38 AM)
woww..your sis must be good. i rarely heard of ppl going from music major to others thats why i am quite blur. she's so lucky to have you....and then she took another degree?
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Yes, second degree for her. Musician difficult to have stable income unless you are famous or oversea. Everyone were in your shoes before, not everyone is loyalty enough to pursue what they had major in, instead they are follow to their interest later they graduated in different major. Think twice why you should take banking industry, are you sure you are going for a long run with it. It would be difficult to change your career again once you find that this is not suitable for you.
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post Mar 5 2019, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(badguy93 @ Dec 13 2018, 04:28 PM)
Job Title : Software Developer
Job Desciption : Implement software with vendor and solution based for internal and customer demand
Age : 25
Years spent in company : 1 year 8 months
Company : MNC
Industry : Manufacturing
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Executive
Experience before joining (years) : 4 months
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Software Engineering
Location : Shah Alam
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary : RM 3271
Contractual Bonus (months): 1 mths
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : not more than 1 month (depend on project sometimes as incentives)

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Company medical claims
Transport Benefits : none
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : none
Flexi Working Hours : none
Other Benefits : claimable like on site for mileage, tng or etc related to normal working hour

Am i under pay? Considering currently I am being assigned to do the field that is totally not related to me. Company did not plan to hire the relevant employee specialize in the particular field while force me to take the field. If by positive thinking, additional knowledge would be advantage for future me, but is it worth? Also, on hand project there is 4 on going that need to implement where I do solo most of the time. (Because short of manpower, and skillset)

I am hesitating to resign due to waiting for the position raise. As for the resign reason, I find out that, one of my junior salary pays way higher than me and he is sleeping most of the time during working hour, a bit cannot accept that.

What is your opinion? Should I stay to wait or should I look for other job opportunities? Although, I am happy to work with the current boss, however deep down, am I being treated unfair.
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Ok so, I finally made a decision after 2 months sweat.gif ... and come to a conclusion, i decide to jump to improve career as well as salary increment.

Job Title : Senior solution development engineer
Job Desciption : Implement software and consultation
Age : 25
Years spent in company : 0 month
Company : SME
Industry : Software house
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Executive
Experience before joining (years) : 2 years 2 months
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Software Engineering
Location : Damansara
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary : RM 5300
Contractual Bonus (months): 13th month
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Performance bonus and annual bonus

Benefits (where relevant) : Increment 5-10% depend on performance, certificate exam from the company, training, parking reserved
Health Benefits : Company medical claims
Transport Benefits : claimable fuel, parking, toll
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : none
Flexi Working Hours : none
Other Benefits : -

The pay is about 62% increment rate from Rm3271 to Rm5300, which I think is a very good thing. The previous MNC never concern the staff pay despite workload. Being assigned from a junior to project leader without the increment, and worst case that is my salary is even lower than any fresh graduate with spoon feeding every single day shakehead.gif The management will only concern with their employee at the very end of the day. sweat.gif I do had voice up, but no action taken, keep drag and drag for 4-6 months. shakehead.gif

But anyhow, that was a good experience for me. How these people function and provided me an insight of how to counter in future whenever I do meet any of their attitude. bruce.gif

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post Mar 5 2019, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Mar 5 2019, 10:22 AM)
Wow 25 YO getting more than 5k. Good for you! flex.gif
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There is no such of age limit to a certain number of salary range if you talk about the current market value. Many chinaman company is illegal ask the candidate to have their current salary disclose and judge on their working experience then skill set. This is totally wrong doing, and this is illegal, under PDPA section 6, the employer should not ask the candidate P&C.

A proper way to make payout is by the employer's package that they have offered in their job listing advertisement. If you cannot afford to pay, then don't put the amount. Candidate that has skill that can create a concrete evidence in any of the test given during the interview should be eligible to entitle such offered without looking at the so called 'Working experience'.

Given a scenario, a candidate whom are loyal to a company for 5 years but receiving a low salary despite his good skill set and performance. Assume a particular year that the company performance is bad, and this candidate did not receive any annual increment or with the minimum of 1.5% rate.

Many HR out there did not concern with the candidate skill set, their aim is to lowball you to the minimum while catching the big fish. How would you want to buy a BMW for RM50k, it's not possible. That is the same example like the above scenario. How can you judge a candidate by working experience if the candidate do no contribution but talk nonsense for 5 years, or judge the candidate by 'Current salary'. HR will normally see a candidate is constantly earning the amount that is still within RM3k for 5 years, this candidate must be a problematic.

Anyhow, finding a good company isn't easy. I think I am lucky to get this company. #SayNoToBadCompany
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post Mar 5 2019, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Mar 5 2019, 11:24 AM)
But since you have your rights to not review your current salary, they also have rights to not consider your resume  icon_rolleyes.gif

Still boils down to yourselves.
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Haha, yeah that is true. This is depends on individual. The candidate can choose to reject or accept despite being offered with such package but with a condition to disclose the current salary. I would normally reject any offer that comes with that condition. thumbup.gif

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