so with the economy today, wat do u think the wage should be now for the fresh grads today?
the last time  i know, its 2.5k la tats like the lowest or min. tat one should get paid for living , at least. Those working in banks, prolly bout 2.8k onwards.

So, how is it now?

Hi, I was lucky to stumble upon this thread as I was looking for information about the salary pay of a company I'm bonded to (to be honest I'm not even sure if it's a good choice to agree to the bond during interview).
But here is the question before I ask anything, is it sensitive to ask about a specific company?

Oh, then I better not specify but the company was quite well known in construction industry.
So, what can a bonded employee expect of his/her salary when they start serving the bond period? Would be glad if any people working in construction industry can share their opinion about this (perhaps giving some advice as well).

Job Title : Cloud System Engineer
Job Desciption : Deploy cloud Architecture for client, provisioning VM. (Hypervisor, Vmware, Xen, etc). Security (OS Hardening).
Age : 25 When Joining. Now 25
Years spent in company : 4 month (joined jan 2018)
Industry : Cloud Architecture
Tenure: Permanent
Employment Level : Junior
Experience before joining (years) : 1years (IT Support)
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in IT (major software eng)
Location : Mostly Cyberjaya & KL. Will go to Data Centre if needed
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 35-40 hours/week
Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM2500 when joining company, after probation (3month) get RM2700
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) :  dont know yet

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : outpation
Transport Benefits : claimable if outstation
Flexi Working Hours : Yes, and can working remote from house
Other Benefits :
Need you guys opinion here.

1) For me im still new, will stay longer in this company since have lot opportunity in this company and supportive colleague.
2) How about salary? Any way i can claim higher? opportunity in future

sifu, wanna ask another question.

Bonus,  does your company give once per year sekali or separate into twice per year half half the amount?

I can definitely relate to this. One year in a small firm is equivalent to a few years of experience in mnc as you are usually in charge of many things.

My 1st company offer higher, which is 3.5k, but due to some reason i'm hop to 2nd company, but at that meantime I have no work for 1 month cause I have savings that enough for me to sustain my daily expenses. After that, took the 2nd company offer, like in the previous post, as written in the offer letter I could get the amount I demand, but I got lowballed, that time I guess I still a noob  , as for now my skill set and job scope is slowly spread wider. Were a full stack .Net developer handling project like what you described here, using all newest technology platform to develop big projects, and until now involved to Python which is not a .Net field. If positive thinking, that would be additional positive point. Now come back to salary topic, I guess i am underpaid for having doing multiple jobscope.

PS: I also handling Server stuffs such as server migration etc.

Based on Shah Alam market price, it shouldn't be too low. and also my increment were only 5.5%, highest is 8% that applies to higher management. They say 5.5% is high  , now I don't know.

I don't see posts from civil servants (if there is any - I might have missed that), so I'm just sharing mine here.

Job Title : College lecturer
Job Desciption : Teach and grade students, carry out and monitor various government policies.
Age : 33
Years spent in company : 8 years
Company : Kerajaan Malaysia, Kementerian XXX
Industry : Education
Tenure : Permanent (you get it after 3 years full time service with no disciplinary issues)
Employment Level : Professional group
Experience before joining (years) : 1
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Master's in teaching, joined with a degree in teaching.
Location : Borneo
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 45

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM4.5K + RM1.7K = RM6.2K
Contractual Bonus (months): -
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : -

Benefits (where relevant) :
Health Benefits : Full (only at government hospitals/clinics), extended to immediate family members and after retirement.
Transport Benefits : Claimable for working trips
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : Nope. Only bosses get free phones and phone plans.
Flexi Working Hours : Can nego with boss.
Other Benefits : Government loans for just about everything with really low interest rates, guaranteed yearly bonuses (how much - depends on Finance Minister la), guaranteed full time scholarships (plus full salary) if you have the brains, full pension after retirement and claimable by spouses after death (not applicable for those opting for EPF), guaranteed promotion up to the highest professional level if you follow all the procedures.

but as travel a lot, u rarely have time to spend with family, parents also getting old and as the only child at home, i also feel bad not spending more time with them. currently in the process of requesting more towards a local oriented position but not sure if pass or not

Sorry, it's technically 35 because I was looking at year and I used 2019. But back to point. By being really really really lucky I guess.

I started out late because after SPM, I was doing odd jobs and wonder around without much purpose, spending the first few years taking different courses and working part time. Subsequently I enrolled and did my degree proper which meant I really only came into the work force really late.

My first role was with a local Bank @ 2700. There was a huge CA negotiation that year which bump my salary up by around 15% and later I was also given a big bump due to performance, position and role (Rewards in HR is a specialist role, but I came in as a normal generalist pay).

Left to join my next bank with a pay bump of 40% and the year after got a promotion which again came with a nice pay bump.Then was offered an opportunity to head my own team with a deal that doubled my salary. After two years of that, I took on this current role.

So by chance, I ended up in a field I didn't plan to be in, in an area that is pretty niche and the constant need for talent means opportunities are plenty. I also tend not to stay that long which helps.

No doubt, especially when I will admit I'm not one that enjoys the rigour of universities.
It depends, I guess. I'd say being strong in numbers or being strong in the ability to make sense of numbers. Most of the successful big guns in my field are not HR educated, they are actuarial science or engineering background. Being strong in excel is also crucial as you are churning through large datasets (though you are unlikely to find many VBA or even PowerQuery level folks yet) and lastly the ability to argue, decide and present findings based on the data available. The last one is more for the management side, as you will have to, for example, convince the Board why X% increment and why X mth bonus vis-a-vis company performance.

The problems in Performance and Rewards tend to be the entry barrier, it's pretty hard to convince someone to hire a mid-level talent that have no P&R background and these talents also won't come in at a entry level pay. Rewards being what it is also attracts the most attention / ire / debate at top levels so if you don't have the stomach for political ploys or top management facing it will be hard. And lastly, the hours can be grueling during payout time where decisions is left late but outcome is expected early 

Job Title : Senior Exe
Job Desciption : Insurance
Age : 27
Years spent in company : 2.5 years
Company : MNC
Industry : Insurance
Tenure : ?
Employment Level : Senior Exe
Experience before joining (years) : 1.5 years (not related)
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree
Location : KL
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 45

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary + Fixed Allowance : RM5k
Contractual Bonus (months): 1mths
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : guaranteed 6mths (due to special reason)

Benefits (where relevant) : RM600
Health Benefits : MC, free body check up, treatments
Transport Benefits : RM100 parking
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : no
Flexi Working Hours : yes, base on options available
Other Benefits :  epf 16% (this is a benefit as well? lol)

I also doing my own business with partners (I'm not handling much thing here) earn me about 5k per month
But it fluctuate with markets and seasons and quite competitive.

We are expanding our business, and I'm looking to quit my job to be a property agent. What do you all think?
Anybody know the average earning of an average performance property agent?

Im working inside insurance office, not insurance agent.

Internal staff   

Ok so, I finally made a decision after 2 months  ... and come to a conclusion, i decide to jump to improve career as well as salary increment.

Job Title : Senior solution development engineer
Job Desciption : Implement software and consultation
Age : 25
Years spent in company : 0 month
Company : SME
Industry : Software house
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Executive
Experience before joining (years) : 2 years 2 months
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Software Engineering
Location : Damansara
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): 40

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary : RM 5300
Contractual Bonus (months): 13th month
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : Performance bonus and annual bonus

Benefits (where relevant) : Increment 5-10% depend on performance, certificate exam from the company, training, parking reserved
Health Benefits : Company medical claims
Transport Benefits : claimable fuel, parking, toll
Mobile / Internet / Gadget Benefits : none
Flexi Working Hours : none
Other Benefits : -

The pay is about 62% increment rate from Rm3271 to Rm5300, which I think is a very good thing. The previous MNC never concern the staff pay despite workload. Being assigned from a junior to project leader without the increment, and worst case that is my salary is even lower than any fresh graduate with spoon feeding every single day The management will only concern with their employee at the very end of the day.  I do had voice up, but no action taken, keep drag and drag for 4-6 months. 

But anyhow, that was a good experience for me. How these people function and provided me an insight of how to counter in future whenever I do meet any of their attitude. 

There is no such of age limit to a certain number of salary range if you talk about the current market value. Many chinaman company is illegal ask the candidate to have their current salary disclose and judge on their working experience then skill set. This is totally wrong doing, and this is illegal, under PDPA section 6, the employer should not ask the candidate P&C.

A proper way to make payout is by the employer's package that they have offered in their job listing advertisement. If you cannot afford to pay, then don't put the amount. Candidate that has skill that can create a concrete evidence in any of the test given during the interview should be eligible to entitle such offered without looking at the so called 'Working experience'.

Given a scenario, a candidate whom are loyal to a company for 5 years but receiving a low salary despite his good skill set and performance. Assume a particular year that the company performance is bad, and this candidate did not receive any annual increment or with the minimum of 1.5% rate.

Many HR out there did not concern with the candidate skill set, their aim is to lowball you to the minimum while catching the big fish. How would you want to buy a BMW for RM50k, it's not possible. That is the same example like the above scenario. How can you judge a candidate by working experience if the candidate do no contribution but talk nonsense for 5 years, or judge the candidate by 'Current salary'. HR will normally see a candidate is constantly earning the amount that is still within RM3k for 5 years, this candidate must be a problematic.

Anyhow, finding a good company isn't easy. I think I am lucky to get this company. #SayNoToBadCompany

But since you have your rights to not review your current salary, they also have rights to not consider your resume 

Still boils down to yourselves.

How so it is illegal to ask prospective application to show his pay slip to confirm what his latest salary remunerations ? If an applicant refuses to show his salary in order to ask for a higher package during interview, how does the interviewer going to believe or even justify to company policy ?

Hi Sifu all in this thread, could you help answer this for me pretty please?

1. How much is the average salary for an entry level position in KL?
2. Is RM5k too much to ask for in KL?
3. Can you survive with only RM2.5k in KL and is the living cost similar to Penang?
4. Do you know who pay RM4k and above in KL (or Penang)?

Ty in advance! - Manda

Hi @Belphegor thanks for the info! I have ptptn to be paid and if there's an offer for me in KL imma gonna rely on public transit. Not insured as well.

Do you think asking for 4k is too high for this industry? I dont think I cam survive with anything less (unless any sifu can teach me how)

Its true but there are limited jobs here and with the progression Im looking for. So maybe its best to travel out of my comfort zone