Your case could be an exception as you are referring to your previous bad company and you attended an interview and you got a go offer without showing your last pay but told them your performance, if I read you correctly. Is this what you are trying to tell us here ? How many companies out there in Malaysia practice this by not having the need to show pay slip just make an offer base on interviews ? Or, this is just an one time off scenario ?

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I wouldn't mind if everything is in final stage where we are discussing on salary package. I believe you shortlisted me because I fit into all your category, including the asking salary. Early stage to ask for salary slip to prove you are speaking the truth is like not giving trust to the candidate you are about the hire. Then why bother to hire in the first place? Bare in mind I can forge my own salary slip too if the candidate not being truthful to their current salary package.

If everything fits into the category and I am in the last stage where the salary is the last part between me or another candidate(s), yes I am more than willing to share. Reason being I have nothing to hide. I speak the truth when comes to salary. I don't hanky panky. For those who play hide and seek, nothing much I can comment about that la.

As for if is illegal, PDPA section 6 page 19 as quoted by badguy93 Please correct me know if I am wrong.

I agree with your explanation of asking for salary slip at early stages of interviewing and shortlisting. As for coming to final stage of making an offer, I have not come across any applicants, not even a Director applicant who can have the liberty not to show his payslip. Some companies will even ask for your EPF statement to proof further. Some companies will use even the services of CTOS, etc to verify further plus background check before making an offer. Today, too many applicants are too good in handling interviews in convincing their interviewees let alone with colorful resumes to start with. That's why there's saying at work place, they are people who really work and/perform but they are people who work with their mouths.

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I have secured job without revealing my salary slip before. But that's with a MNC. Local companies, usually it's in their policy. I was at the last stage of the interview, they wanted to hire me but tell me that i will have to share my payslip, else they won't be able to produce the management paper for hiring. I provided my payslip. lol!

As for the prrovision in S.6 of the PDPA, please read carefully the exclusion clause therein.

Evaluate the candidate skill set by practical not just by mouth or even portfolio, although portfolio provided what the candidate experienced. You can see whether this is a potential candidate or the joker. I have gone through 50+- company for interview, only 5 of them accepted me without the need to disclose pay slip. Although, you need to do your home work why you must not disclose the current salary. I cannot tell you unless you interview me next time

Good for you Did they lower down your remuneration package once they knew about your pay slip at your final stage where both you and employer already handshake on the agreed expected salary?

Typically the first to reveal the number losses.

Also, in my experience, normally employers have the upper hand over candidates.

If you refuse to cooperate, they will just skip you and go to the next candidate, unless you are the one that they truly want to hire or at least the hiring manager wants to hire.

just to add my 2 cents to this, I think it's such a common request that when asked to provide our pay, we never even considered the probability that we have the right not to provide....

To a certain extent i can understand why they're asking past pay slip also, if u're paid 5k and you're asking for 20k... it doesn't make much sense for such a jump.

Bro, share with us here how to do it.

The candidate have rights not to disclosed only for the current pay slip. Other data is required to disclosed as they need to ensure the applicant is applied to the correct position. Yes, it don't make sense from 5k jump to 20k, normally I guess a phone call interview would be good in this situation whether they are being shortlisted for face to face interview after the finalize through phone call interview. This approach would be the best solution whether the candidate is apply the right position by requested some ridiculous amount. At least the amount has to be reasonable, that's my point of view.

Unfortunately, I cannot share how. But, this is all about the candidate skill, whether by practical, convince, impression etc. The research is solely I created, so I know how it works. At most, I would say, please do your home work.

Lower than asking, higher than expected. So i took the job.

I always have 3 benchmark for my salary:-
Asking Salary - If this is offered, no need to think, straight away say YES
Acceptable Salary - If this is offered, can consider to take the job
Nothing less than Salary - If this is offered, I'll only take this job is the current job has other issue apart from remuneration

I do have benchmark for my expected salary too, let the interviewer evaluate your skill from there. Preferable the interviewer doing the same job scope as you, provided the interviewer would be your senior or your future superior. Otherwise, no point talk to HR, their job scope is to lowball the candidate.

I believe with financial institutions, and possibly GLC and major conglomerates, where everything is structured and HR reigns supreme, it is impossible to choose to not disclose your salary. They will just move on to the next candidate. They also tend to have rules like max 30% increment. Yes, they can have exceptions, but exceptions are rare...less than 5% of new hires will come from the exception list.

To me, just don’t worry about the salary. Ask what you really want. Or 10% premium to that. Then go to the interview, excel and wait for their offer. If they lowball, reject outright respectfully. They will either say kthnxbai or come back with an improved offer. Key is...you need to have options. Do not be or appear desperate. And the most powerful negotiation tool you will ever have is the willingness to walk away. This is why it is important to continue interviewing periodically (say once a year) eve though you are happy in your current job. Cause then your negotiating hand is super powerful and this will show through during the interview as well.

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Alot real mncs with real pratice doesnt ask about ur payslip n will hire u. They hire u on what they believe u r worth on ur capability. Not ur past salary indicators.

Actually following past salary indicators, bills gates, steve jobs n alot billionaires would still be poor guy.

For me, knowledge is priority as well as it must be tally with salary paid too. Phone interview actually helps both whether convenient proceed for an interview of face to face, if the employer learn the candidate not to disclose the current salary, then we shouldn't waste each other time. Although I am the guy like you described, I willing to walk away than showing my desperate to you during the negotiation.

Would love to try this next year. Twice already I started interviewing when I was desperate to leave my current company. Seeing many people with only 2-3 years experience already earning 5k, really is quite frustrating for me.

Good practice company have a set of salary range for every position.

So if you are at a certain level, they have a range they can pay you, nothing above and nothing below that range.

This concept is good. Some MNC uses this pattern then later on low ball upon candidate reveal current salary, lel.

Willing buyer/Willing seller... no such thing as lowball or no... dont like the price walk lor.

Then again my last "interview" I nego $$ with the MD and not the HR...

Depends.. Normally, the interviewer can be HR, MD, Director, or the superior. If they understand you then no problem

That's the best you can get. Straight away to the decision maker.

Yes it helps, I only met the HR on my first day at work.