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post Feb 14 2019, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 14 2019, 12:38 PM)
Food for thought, will employer's EPF contribution be a deciding factor for you too? when accepting a job, a new job, etc.

For example, if you work in a bank, you're likely gonna get 16% epf contribution by your bank as opposed to working in a small company where they just pay the statutory 12% epf contribution to your account.

Is this benefits important to you?
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Yes, I would consider this when there are similar offer. This is definitely a plus factor when comparing job offers. Cumulative interest gained for the additional 5% in the EPF will make a difference in the long run.
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post Mar 5 2019, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(badguy93 @ Mar 5 2019, 11:44 AM)
Haha, yeah that is true. This is depends on individual. The candidate can choose to reject or accept despite being offered with such package but with a condition to disclose the current salary. I would normally reject any offer that comes with that condition.  thumbup.gif
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Supply and demand.

If you are jobless for a year already, do you think you are in the position to reject any offer?

Of course, if you have a secure job and just lurking around trying to get a better offer, the scenario is totally different.
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post Mar 6 2019, 03:36 PM

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[quote=BravoZeroTwo,Mar 6 2019, 03:02 PM]
[quote=Belphegor,Mar 6 2019, 03:43 PM]
I wouldn't mind if everything is in final stage where we are discussing on salary package. I believe you shortlisted me because I fit into all your category, including the asking salary. Early stage to ask for salary slip to prove you are speaking the truth is like not giving trust to the candidate you are about the hire. Then why bother to hire in the first place? Bare in mind I can forge my own salary slip too if the candidate not being truthful to their current salary package.

If everything fits into the category and I am in the last stage where the salary is the last part between me or another candidate(s), yes I am more than willing to share. Reason being I have nothing to hide. I speak the truth when comes to salary. I don't hanky panky. For those who play hide and seek, nothing much I can comment about that la. laugh.gif

As for if is illegal, PDPA section 6 page 19 as quoted by badguy93 brows.gif Please correct me know if I am wrong.

I agree with your explanation of asking for salary slip at early stages of interviewing and shortlisting. As for coming to final stage of making an offer, I have not come across any applicants, not even a Director applicant who can have the liberty not to show his payslip. Some companies will even ask for your EPF statement to proof further. Some companies will use even the services of CTOS, etc to verify further plus background check before making an offer. Today, too many applicants are too good in handling interviews in convincing their interviewees let alone with colorful resumes to start with. That's why there's saying at work place, they are people who really work and/perform but they are people who work with their mouths.
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I have secured job without revealing my salary slip before. But that's with a MNC. Local companies, usually it's in their policy. I was at the last stage of the interview, they wanted to hire me but tell me that i will have to share my payslip, else they won't be able to produce the management paper for hiring. I provided my payslip. lol!
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post Mar 6 2019, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(badguy93 @ Mar 6 2019, 03:49 PM)
Evaluate the candidate skill set by practical not just by mouth or even portfolio, although portfolio provided what the candidate experienced. You can see whether this is a potential candidate or the joker. I have gone through 50+- company for interview, only 5 of them accepted me without the need to disclose pay slip. Although, you need to do your home work why you must not disclose the current salary. I cannot tell you unless you interview me next time  thumbup.gif
Good for you  thumbup.gif Did they lower down your remuneration package once they knew about your pay slip at your final stage where both you and employer already handshake on the agreed expected salary?
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Lower than asking, higher than expected. So i took the job.

I always have 3 benchmark for my salary:-
Asking Salary - If this is offered, no need to think, straight away say YES
Acceptable Salary - If this is offered, can consider to take the job
Nothing less than Salary - If this is offered, I'll only take this job is the current job has other issue apart from remuneration
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post Mar 7 2019, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Mar 7 2019, 03:10 PM)
Willing buyer/Willing seller... no such thing as lowball or no... dont like the price walk lor.

Then again my last "interview" I nego $$ with the MD and not the HR...
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That's the best you can get. Straight away to the decision maker.
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post Mar 25 2019, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(myroy @ Mar 25 2019, 10:55 AM)
Company from big 4 (De*****) called me to offer position as Cloud Engineer (Azure)
I have total 3 years experience
Now working as Cloud System Engineer at Cloud Service provider with salry Rm3500/month
They asked me how much i expected?
What figure should i give?
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If the company do not know your current salary, try responding to such question by saying this 'I expect to be compensated for my service, at least to be on par with what the general market pays their best talent. What would company such as De***** pay your top talent with abilities like mine?'
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Mar 25 2019, 02:01 PM)
If the company do not know your current salary, try responding to such question by saying this 'I expect to be compensated for my service, at least to be on par with what the general market pays their best talent. What would company such as De***** pay your top talent with abilities like mine?'
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But you have to be good in your field, top performer...else maybe tweak the statement a bit to reflect your own ability.
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post Apr 20 2019, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(icebryanchan @ Apr 19 2019, 06:43 PM)
When I was young, all the adults told us, "go become doctor lah, go become engineer lah, go become lawyer lah, earn big big one."

Then now all of my friends doing these fields (including me), earning 2.5k to 3.0k when graduated. lol what a big lie told by adults since 18years ago
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U won't earn big when you just started no matter where. Nobody will pay huge sum for someone who's not proven
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post Apr 21 2019, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(icebryanchan @ Apr 21 2019, 01:47 PM)
TLDR: Graduate Engineer should get around 3.2k to 3.5k, else the fantasy of "get a degree in professionals, you can suffer less in future" is not really that fantastic huh?
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This is the market rate now.....I don't know why your engineer friend is settling for 2.2k....

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post Apr 22 2019, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(icebryanchan @ Apr 21 2019, 06:54 PM)
because that was the average rate in East Malaysia 3 years back, even in Capital like Kuching and Kota Kinabalu. Sad but true.

Not sure about the rate now though, but I believe even 3 years back in KL or Penang or JB, it shouldn't as low as that.

Well, I said that was an extreme case.

Regardless, generally in west msia, graduate engineers now are still getting 2.5k to 3.2k. Some big MNC might give 3.2k to 3.5k but it is still not common yet. I think every company should follow that rate, even those self-proclaimed "small company"
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I'm not sure about Sabah & Sarawak, I'm referring to KL as I was based in KL.
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post Apr 22 2019, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(party @ Apr 22 2019, 08:52 AM)
Damn...you keep moving the goalpost that further discussion just not worth it.
Sabah n srwk has lower salary even though working the same things in kl (with exception OnG n 1 or 2 industries).
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Agreed with you
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post Apr 23 2019, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(Financier @ Apr 23 2019, 11:30 AM)
SGD1500 per month is the average lifestyle there..

Could be higher if you have no will power haha..
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I wonder how did this SGD1500 is termed as average. Mind elaborating how did you arrive at this figure?
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post Apr 24 2019, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(Financier @ Apr 23 2019, 01:23 PM)
700 rent
150 transport
50 phone bill
600 food

Total 1500

How much you spent?
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I see, you meant minimal cost of living in Singapore.
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post Apr 26 2019, 10:40 AM

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Once you are earning overseas, it's hard to return to Malaysia due to the Forex. The difference is too huge. Generally people who return, will take a paycut, of course there will be exceptional cases where they are paid equally well. But that's rare.

So if you intend to come back, the reason behind it has gotta be really solid. Definitely not from the salary point of view.
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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ May 14 2019, 12:23 PM)
I do agree on this. But when we compare permanent vs contract position, permanent position do offer more job security in comparison.
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more like perceived security...if they don't need/want u, still off u go
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post Jun 7 2019, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(Murasaki322 @ Jun 6 2019, 05:16 PM)
Based on many forumers' tales,
Is it true that salary won't grow fast without jumping ship?
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Read this article

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cameronkeng/20...s/#3f295f61e07f
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post Jul 3 2019, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(nakjadiDE @ Jul 3 2019, 02:00 PM)
Can you guys share on how to increase salary when jump from a company to another company?

Should we reveal our current salary to our potential future employer?

I don’t think our next salary should be based on our current salary, am i right?
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If u can negotiate without disclosing, that would be ideal scenario for u.
Generally, if you are not underpaid, the revealing and asking for a fair percentage of increment is reasonable.

For me, if possible, i don't want to reveal. Just state my asking price. Then we move from there.
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QUOTE(Jumper123 @ Jul 24 2019, 10:51 AM)
Job Title : Mechanical Engineer
Job Desciption : Design mechanical components
Age : 2x
Years spent in company : 1
Industry : manufacturing
Experience before joining (years) : 1.5 years
Highest paper qualification/ education background : Degree in Engineering
Location : Johor
Average Working Hours Per Week (incl lunch hours): Weekdays 9-6pm on paper, but typically more than that

Monetary Payout
Basic Salary = 3500
Allowance = 550
Contractual Bonus (months): 2 mths
Performance, Variable Bonus & Commissions (months) : 1 mths

Am I underpaid?
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I'd say your package is pretty decent.
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post Aug 20 2019, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Darkcloudz @ Aug 20 2019, 05:23 PM)
Wow, never know got such thing!  drool.gif
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I negotiated for that too. You can ask for it.
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post Aug 28 2019, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(ZZMsia @ Aug 28 2019, 07:37 AM)
I doubt u can ask for same salary.
8k malaysia doubt u can get 8k sgd.
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why not? you can ask, if you don't get, it's up to you to decide if you want to settle for anything lower than what u have asked for. it's part of the negotiation process.

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